The problem with the Bible alone!
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Ferris Bueller
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It's quite obvious that the Catholic leadership is afraid of 'Bible alone' because it wants the liberty and the authority to control people and change things in the church, ultimately in defense of their positions of wealth, security, and authority. This isn't just a curious matter of theology for the Catholic leadership. This is an existential threat to them and their power.
good morning
he is glorifying Mary then?
Lk 1:45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
Ferris Bueller
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If you read those texts he's steering the people away from undue exaltation of Mary and his family.
Read this (note: 'blessed rather')...
"As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You!” But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:27-28
Thank God that we have the written word of God and the discernment of the Holy Spirit to resist and call out false (Catholic) teachers and their spiritless, fake teachings. The word of God 'alone' is terrifying to them because it robs them of their self appointed power to create and discern doctrine for the people of God in the interest of oppressing us and protecting their security and wealth and status. And, ultimately, their goal of separating us from our Lord.
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The Remnant Saints are led by the Holy Ghost. They have no need of the fivefold ministry for they have reached the fulness of Christ (Ephesians 4: 11-13)
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: (Emphasis added)
The dross of man made religion whether Catholic or protestant or whatever man they followed will be exposed and removed in them As they unite in the Spirit. The Church as an institution of man will be destroyed and the Church of the saints the body of Christ will stand being led by the Holy Ghost.
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. (Ephesians 4:14-16)
The Catholic church and its leaders stopped feeding the church of God a long time ago, and instead filled their leaders own bellies and Egos. The protestant church which was founded exposing this has fallen victim to the same corruption and that is because the movements were built upon men and the institution of the church. In other words the reformation did not go far enough. The reason why Sola scriptura was Born was to counter the man made doctrines of the Catholic church that led to the priesthood of the church feeding their own bellies off the backs of the sheep...Indulgences, Purgatory, veneration of the saints, Marianism, etc. These doctrines did not line up with the Word of God. Sola Scriptura then led to the other extreme Rigid fundamentalism devoid of the Holy Ghost, and textualism. Protestantism replaced man made doctrines with Sola Scriptura, a good thing, Only To quench the Holy Spirit and its leading, and replaced it with a textualism that is devoid of the quickening Power of the Holy Ghost. (Aka Divine revelation).
The Remnant church is those who have come out of this system of "Babel". Even Now, we see this Babel in myriad of man made interpretations of the Word of God leading to all manner of denominationalism in the Protestant and catholic sects. This the post modern church in a nutshell, and the remnant church of the saints have come out of this system and thinking and are united in Christ alone as the head, and led by the Holy Ghost, and are living in the fullness of Christ. They consist of catholic and protestant, fundamentalist and charismatic, They speak the Truth (Jesus is the Truth) in Love, awaiting those who are faithful to lay aside the teachings of men that lead them to be tossed to and fro by the cunning craftiness of men, that they may GROW UP INTO HIM IN ALL THINGS, and when they do the church will be in "one accord" Led by the Holy Ghost as was the case of the Apostolic church. (Acts of the Apostles 2:1, 2:46)
You Asked: "why do some only accept them after they are written down?" This goes into the question of why we limit the canon of scripture to the Books we have. That is because what is contained in scripture is direct eyewitness accounts of Jesus and His life.
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. (2 Peter 1:16)
We do not include writing by the early church fathers in scripture no matter how good their writings are because they were not direct witnesses of the life of Christ. (For example, Clement of Rome) Are they worth reading? Yes, But they are not scripture. Scripture is the Basis, the Ideal for the church to follow, But each age of man will produce a Holy Ghost led teaching appropriate for each generation. For example some of the teachings on persecution which led to some of the monastic movement of the early church apply less in this time of the seduction of Christianity with wealth and prosperity.
Wrangler
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catechumens? Is that your word of the day?
Catechumens | Definition of Catechumens by Merriam-Webster
Definition of catechumen
1: a convert to Christianity receiving training in doctrine and discipline before baptism
2: one receiving instruction in the basic doctrines of Christianity before admission to communicant membership in a church
Definition of catechumen
1: a convert to Christianity receiving training in doctrine and discipline before baptism
2: one receiving instruction in the basic doctrines of Christianity before admission to communicant membership in a church
Notice the definition does not say, "the one true church" but a church. You are failing to meet the standards demanded of you from Scripture in not calling them Christians. Do you call yourself a Christian?
Love each other as brothers and sisters and honor others more than you do yourself.
Roman 12:10 CEV
amigo de christo
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The real problem with Bible alone, is that it gets in the way of teachings and traditions of men apart from God.
There are people who really, really like lies over truth, especially when they really really study them very very carefully.
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Who would want to forbid men to marry, or to abstain from certain meats?
Those who reject the Bible is the sole source for traditions and doctrine and commandment of God.
Why go through all the psycho-babble of pretended honor toward Scripture, in order to reject Scripture? Just be open and honest about it, and say you don't want to be limited by Scripture, because you really like a bunch of other stuff outside Scripture.
Lets read this again .
And as far as why do some only accept them AFTER they are written down . That is not the problem .
What i dont accept is , WHEN These prophecies so called are said , THEY CONTRADICT what ALREADY HAS BEEN WRITTEN DOWN .
amigo de christo
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Its obvious that some folks have a tremendous zeal and love for an institution and not CHRIST .
I read most all those posts . But its also obvious there are some lambs who wont go along with the CC flow of destruction .
But rather they preach JESUS and POINT TO HIM .
I read most all those posts . But its also obvious there are some lambs who wont go along with the CC flow of destruction .
But rather they preach JESUS and POINT TO HIM .
Ronald Nolette
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all reinterpretations based on an allegforical, covenantal view of SCripture which allows anyone to say anything. Why should I accept your allegorical Roman Catholic opinions as more valid than say the Mormon opinions or the Watchtower opinions, or Origens a;llegorical opinions or Arius of Alexandria (faqther of the church) allegorical opinions?
roman Catholic dogma does not come from a simple clear reading of Scripture.
Luke 1:43
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43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
While we know Jesus was true God and true man, LKet me ask you a straightforward question. Jesus was God from eterntiy past. Jesus humbled himself for the Kenosis according to Phil. 2.
do you believe that Mary contributed anything to the deity of Jesus who had been god from eternity past or just His humanity?
Scripture matters!
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Catechumens not yet baptized are believers but not Christians
Or maybe they have a duty to Christ to teach the truth!
example: of the word of God not in scripture!
Lk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
Or
1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
these are divine revelation!
Inspired by the Holy Spirit!
And the word of God!
why do some only accept them after they are written down?
they are divine revelation and the inspired word of God when they were received, and when they were taught to the people, and when they were written down! Why only accept them in the written form or “Bible alone”???
no one did the will of God more perfectly than Mary accept Jesus
you have no union with the mediator of the new covenant without being in the new covenant
who has jurisdictional authority over the new covenant church? The kingdom kingdom of God on earth?
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I don’t believe a magisterial church denomination, either Protestant or Catholic, a good thing. John Wesley desired the Methodist to be a separated class within the established church. I don't believe John Wesley willed or liked the denomination and the UMC was the offspring of Asbury. Here in a letter to Francis Asbury he chastises Asbury for such activity....
LONDON
September 20, 1788
My Dear Brother:
There is, indeed, a wide difference between the relation wherein you stand to the Americans and the relation wherein I stand to all the Methodists. You are the elder brother of the American Methodists: I am under God the father of the whole family. Therefore I naturally care for you all in a manner no other persons can do. Therefore I in a measure provide for you all; for the supplies which Dr. Coke provides for you, he could not provide were it not for me, were it not that I not only permit him to collect but also support him in so doing.
But in one point, my dear brother, I am a little afraid both the Doctor and you differ from me. I study to be little: you study to be great. I creep; you strut along. I found a school: you a college! [Cokesbury College] nay, and call it after your own names! 0 beware, do not seek to be something! Let me be nothing, and "Christ be all in all!"
One instance of this, of your greatness, has given me great concern. How can you, how dare you suffer yourself to be called Bishop? I shudder, I start at the very thought! Men may call me a knave or a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content; but they shall never by my consent call me Bishop! For my sake, for God's sake, for Christ's sake put a full end to this! Let the Presbyterians do what they please, but let the Methodists know their calling better.
Thus, my dear Franky, I have told you all that is in my heart. And let this, when I am no more seen, bear witness how sincerely I am Your affectionate friend and brother,
John Wesley
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September 20, 1788
My Dear Brother:
There is, indeed, a wide difference between the relation wherein you stand to the Americans and the relation wherein I stand to all the Methodists. You are the elder brother of the American Methodists: I am under God the father of the whole family. Therefore I naturally care for you all in a manner no other persons can do. Therefore I in a measure provide for you all; for the supplies which Dr. Coke provides for you, he could not provide were it not for me, were it not that I not only permit him to collect but also support him in so doing.
But in one point, my dear brother, I am a little afraid both the Doctor and you differ from me. I study to be little: you study to be great. I creep; you strut along. I found a school: you a college! [Cokesbury College] nay, and call it after your own names! 0 beware, do not seek to be something! Let me be nothing, and "Christ be all in all!"
One instance of this, of your greatness, has given me great concern. How can you, how dare you suffer yourself to be called Bishop? I shudder, I start at the very thought! Men may call me a knave or a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content; but they shall never by my consent call me Bishop! For my sake, for God's sake, for Christ's sake put a full end to this! Let the Presbyterians do what they please, but let the Methodists know their calling better.
Thus, my dear Franky, I have told you all that is in my heart. And let this, when I am no more seen, bear witness how sincerely I am Your affectionate friend and brother,
John Wesley
I never said mother of his divinity
I said mother of God
Cos Jesus is God and Mary is his mother
Same as mother of our savior, salvation, of the word etc.
Hello @theefaith
You have quoted 2 Scriptures to me (Luke 3:2 & 1 Corinthians 11:23), as examples of how the word of God came unto John the Baptist, and to Paul, and there is no doubt that they did receive Divine instruction, for we are told so quite clearly: and what was revealed to them is written down also for our learning. Both were chosen by God to fulfill His purposes.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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