The problem with the Bible alone!

[Ferris Bueller]

Om not an ordained priest.

Good. Then we can cut you some slack for not knowing some things that a leader should know.

And what part of my post was "Biblically illiterate"??

Solomon amassed great wealth in defiance to God, and that's just a fact. He can't be used to justify a leader, or a church, sitting on a billion or more dollars in the bank.

Can you show me a SINGLE verse where God was displeased or angry with Solomon for building the Temple?

...the Holy Spirit came down and BLESSED it.
It was PLEASING to God...

I personally don't get terribly upset when great expense is used to honor the Lord. One time I walked up to a huge cross that a church had erected that cost a lot of money and I realized when I got up to it they had not made it big enough, and it's huge. But that's not the issue me and you are addressing. The issue is about the Catholic church lining it's own pockets far and above the amount you brag they give away as charity. What percentage of the take does the Catholic church give away to the poor? The greed of the Catholic church is a well known issue. How can a church justify having more money on store than it uses for glorifying the Lord and caring for the poor? That's a bad sign. Protestants know this all too well from the example of the false prosperity gospel churches among us. Kenneth Copeland is worth 3/4 of a billion dollars. How is the Catholic church any better than him? It isn't, of course.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

no one did the will of God more perfectly than Mary accept Jesus

you have no union with the mediator of the new covenant without being in the new covenant

You're turning a blind eye to the obvious fact that Jesus was deflecting us away from undue adoration of Mary.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And as I educated you before - clean up your OWN mess before you point fingers . . .
Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson

Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’

Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic

Denial About Sexual Abuse In Evangelical Churches

Southern Baptists Apologize For Sex Abuse Coverups

Confronting Evangelical Enabling of Sexual Abuse

Child abuse a Calvinist problem, podcast says

We don't own the false teachers and churches and leaders among us that do these kinds of things. You do. And rightly so. Because you have to. Because you make special claim to not being broken up into factions.

 

[charity]

Oh sorry no offense I was only summing up your position

Hello @theefaith,

Your summary was incorrect, that is what caused the offence. You ascribed to me a belief which I do not hold. For I believe that the Bible is the sum of all Divine revelation.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[theefaith]

A member of A church, not ‘the one and only true church.’ How you are connecting baptism to church membership is a mystery.

the mystery of Christ and his church

Ephesians 5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

baptized into the church


1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

 

[theefaith]

Definition 2 has nothing to do with baptism. Definition 1 has nothing to do with church membership. And you conveniently ignored how you are not living up to Romans 12:10 with your relentless diatribe against those who reject the corrupt RCC.

That’s the definition of a catechumen not a Christian!

 

[theefaith]

You get baptized into Christ by being immersed in the Holy Spirit, not water. That may or may not happen in conjunction with a water baptism. Water has zero power to put a person into the body of Christ. These spiritual truths escape you because you do not have the Holy Spirit. You can't see the scriptures spiritually and so you default to legalistic, carnal understandings of scripture.

provide a scripture for that

I can

God speaking here
Ez 36:25-27
I will sprinkle you with water and you shall be white as snow

 

[theefaith]

Because the revelation of the mystery of Christ and faith in God has been fully administered in the pages of the Bible. There's nothing to add to it. It's already been fully revealed. There is no new scripture to be written.

but was it divine revelation and the inspired word of God when they received it and taught it?

 

[theefaith]

I did not accuse it. God accuses it. I just post it.

how do you know what it’s talking about?

it’s refers to pagan Rome and their being drunk with the blood of the saints
For 300 they killed Catholics by the thousands
Read the book martyrs of the coliseum you won’t be Protestant

 

[theefaith]

No, I am exposing the Roman Catholic Church. It is risen to power through Satanic commentary and bits and pieces of the Bible. You know that’s true.

Start over cowboy!

did Christ found a church?

 

[Wrangler]

That’s the definition of a catechumen not a Christian!

You are deeply and profoundly confused. Even when presented with the actual definition, you confound the matter.

Bless your heart! I’ll continue to pray for you.

 

[theefaith]

You're turning a blind eye to the obvious fact that Jesus was deflecting us away from undue adoration of Mary.

Mary is never to be adored at all

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're a liar, but it's expected of roman catholics: they have been lying, crying, and denying for centuries. How many billions $$$ have you paid out for your perverted underground fraternity of pedophiles and homos? As many billions of $$$ that your perverted donors wish to pay for papal indulgences. Just keep the indulgences coming.

Hey - I'm just quoting the PROTESTANT author, Philip Jenkins, whose book, Pedophiles and Priests emphatically states that the molestation problem is FAR WORSE in Protestant churches than in the Catholic Church. He's one of YOUR fellow Protestants - but the only difference is - he's honest and you're not.

I also gave you several links to stories and studies that substantiate what Jenkins said in his book.
All YOU have is angry whining . . .

 

[theefaith]

Hello @theefaith,

Your summary was incorrect, that is what caused the offence. You ascribed to me a belief which I do not hold. For I believe that the Bible is the sum of all Divine revelation.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

but you agreed that it was divine revelation they received apart from the Bible right?

 

[LTJMP14]

Hey - I'm just quoting the PROTESTANT author, Philip Jenkins, whose book, Pedophiles and Priests emphatically states that the molestation problem is FAR WORSE in Protestant churches than in the Catholic Church. He's one of YOUR fellow Protestants - but the only difference is - he's honest and you're not.

I also gave you several links to stories and studies that substantiate what Jenkins said in his book.
All YOU have is angry whining . . .

I told you already: I'm not Protestant. That's your pride and arrogance that gets in the way of comprehension.

Tell me: how many billions of dollars $$$ has your church paid out to your pedophile priests, brothers, cardinals, etc?

 

[theefaith]

Hey - I'm just quoting the PROTESTANT author, Philip Jenkins, whose book, Pedophiles and Priests emphatically states that the molestation problem is FAR WORSE in Protestant churches than in the Catholic Church. He's one of YOUR fellow Protestants - but the only difference is - he's honest and you're not.

I also gave you several links to stories and studies that substantiate what Jenkins said in his book.
All YOU have is angry whining . . .

lies are against the commandments of God! No one is allowed to lie!


The union of the holy church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles is such that it cannot be harmed by the sins of men!

Automatic excommunication is incured upon the exercise of the intellect and will to teach error or Hersey or to commit grave sin!

So the bride is spotless and without blemish!

The members of Christ in communion with God and each other are in a state of sanctifying grace!

We deplore the sins and outrages of abuse, most of which is done by homo’s on young boys, in any group especially those calling themselves Christian, the communists began infiltration in the seminary’s in the 30’s and the modernist’s and homo’s in the 60’s and 70’s

This is a symptom of error and Hersey
Modernism or theological liberalism, of the modern apostasy and nowhere does the true church teach anyone to do these things, nor do the Protestant sects which have the same issues!

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Good. Then we can cut you some slack for not knowing some things that a leader should know.

Solomon amassed great wealth in defiance to God, and that's just a fact. He can't be used to justify a leader, or a church, sitting on a billion or more dollars in the bank.

I personally don't get terribly upset when great expense is used to honor the Lord. One time I walked up to a huge cross that a church had erected that cost a lot of money and I realized when I got up to it they had not made it big enough, and it's huge. But that's not the issue me and you are addressing. The issue is about the Catholic church lining it's own pockets far and above the amount you brag they give away as charity. What percentage of the take does the Catholic church give away to the poor? The greed of the Catholic church is a well known issue. How can a church justify having more money on store than it uses for glorifying the Lord and caring for the poor? That's a bad sign. Protestants know this all too well from the example of the false prosperity gospel churches among us. Kenneth Copeland is worth 3/4 of a billion dollars. How is the Catholic church any better than him? It isn't, of course.

First of all - I was ONLY referring to the treasures in Solomon's TEMPLE - not his personal wealth.

Secondly - the issue you originally had was with works of art, etc. that the Church has in its possession - and I had to explain to you that this is GOD'S and was created for HIS glory. That's why I also had to educate you about the fact that we are the LARGEST charitable organization in the world.

Funny, how you MOVE the goalposts and back pedal when you suddenly realize you're wrong . . .'

 

[theefaith]

You're turning a blind eye to the obvious fact that Jesus was deflecting us away from undue adoration of Mary.

Behold thy mother!

What does Behold in scripture mean?

A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!

Behold thy mother!

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

 

[theefaith]

I told you already: I'm not Protestant. That's your pride and arrogance that gets in the way of comprehension.

Tell me: how many billions of dollars $$$ has your church paid out to your pedophile priests, brothers, cardinals, etc?

If youre not catholic or Protestant then what are you? Believer?

 

[LTJMP14]

If youre not catholic or Protestant then what are you? Believer?

I'm a born again believer in, and follower of, Jesus Christ. I don't ascribe to any denomination, and neither did my Savior.