The first horseman of the Apocalypse

[Oseas]

i am with you Brother - and i love what you just posted here: 'Three bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit' - AMEN
i love you, my Brother in Christ, and am not against you
Please take some time to compare the clear differences between the First Rider and Our Lord Jesus Christ/ the WORD/ King of kings in Rev 19

You will clearly see they are two completely different

PEACE my Brother - i am not one to blaspheme as the terror of judgement is too great and horrifying

Amen. GOD bless you too.

Regard your comparison I'm convict that the whitehorse rider Revelation 19 is not JESUS by the own Word of GOD, I can not contradict GOD, but to confirm what He said, for He is my GOD and Father. Belive in Him. Our Master said: John 12:v.39-50:
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

John knew the whitehorse rider in person, and he wrote: Rev.22:v.8-9
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

GOD bless
I'm going to another topic

 

[Stumpmaster]

The Word of GOD is the Power. The Word is GOD.

God is Pneuma in the Greek, which translates as both Ghost and Spirit in English.

Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

Strongs G4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.
Total KJV occurrences: 385

The prince of the power of the air
Principalities and Powers and Rulers of the world's darkness and Spiritual Wickedness in High Places.

Watch out for these, though.

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience:

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[Oseas]

God is Pneuma in the Greek, which translates as both Ghost and Spirit in English.

Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

Strongs G4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.
Total KJV occurrences: 385

The prince of the power of the air
Principalities and Powers and Rulers of the world's darkness and Spiritual Wickedness in High Places.

Watch out for these, though.

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience:

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

According Scriptures, GOD is the Word-John 1:v.1- I do not know word more powerful than the Word of GOD, by the way He was made flesh and chose the name of JESUS for He himself,He is the Father of my Lord JESUS Christ, and He is Omniscient,and Omnipotent,and Omnipresent. He has not beginning, neither ending. He is from everlasting to everlasting. JESUS is the beginning and the ending.


GOD is a devouring/consuming FIRE

Isaiah prophesied: Isaiah 33:v.10-14

10 Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.

11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.

12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.

13 Hear, ye that are far off (Gentile peoples), what I have done; and, ye that are near(Jewish people), acknowledge my might.

14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?


John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and Truth.


GOD is the Truth.

GOD is light

1John 1:v.1 to 7
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.

4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

5 This then is the message which we have heard of Him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.


In fact, "no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him". Matt.11:v.27

God bless

 

[Stumpmaster]

According Scriptures, GOD is the Word-John 1:v.1- I do not know word more powerful than the Word of GOD, by the way He was made flesh and chose the name of JESUS for He himself,He is the Father of my Lord JESUS Christ, and He is Omniscient,and Omnipotent,and Omnipresent. He has not beginning, neither ending. He is from everlasting to everlasting. JESUS is the beginning and the ending.


GOD is a devouring/consuming FIRE

Isaiah prophesied: Isaiah 33:v.10-14

10 Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.

11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.

12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.

13 Hear, ye that are far off (Gentile peoples), what I have done; and, ye that are near(Jewish people), acknowledge my might.

14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?


John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and Truth.


GOD is the Truth.

GOD is light

1John 1:v.1 to 7
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.

4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

5 This then is the message which we have heard of Him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.


In fact, "no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him". Matt.11:v.27

God bless

Strawman deviation ended.

 

[Timtofly]

Ask Paul. He's the one who said those whoare left and still alive will not precede those who have died in Christ.

I don't have to ask Paul. John put the Seals first, and the church is removed before God deals with Israel in the Trumpets and the nations in the Thunders. You are the one trying to change around John's narrative to make your theory work. This is the final harvest. All of Adam's flesh and blood has to shed this physical body. And to choose God in the last 42 months, one has to chop their head of to enter the Millennium. Those who deny the Seals are about the church and redeemed, really don't know who are sealed, and who are not. Those who fail to see the 6th Seal as the Second Coming as Jesus gave in the OD, are going to miss when it happens.

If John wanted us to view any overlap or combining of events, he would have stated such. John already inserted the 7 Thunders between the 6th and 7th Trumpets, so he was very capable of letting us know when the order would change if it was different than given.

 

[Zao is life]

i am with you Brother - and i love what you just posted here: 'Three bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit' - AMEN
i love you, my Brother in Christ, and am not against you
Please take some time to compare the clear differences between the First Rider and Our Lord Jesus Christ/ the WORD/ King of kings in Rev 19

You will clearly see they are two completely different

PEACE my Brother - i am not one to blaspheme as the terror of judgement is too great and horrifying

Copy @Oseas David, if it were true what you say above then the son of man wearing the stephanos crown in Revelation 14:14 and the rider of the horse in Revelation 19 are not the same either. The same logic that is being used by you would apply to these two passages also.

Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will see it and will hear. In this case, it is you who is among those who do not have eyes to see nor ears to hear because you're telling Jesus what He means instead of letting Him tell you what He means. No amount of stating anything else on your or anyone else's part will change the facts.

 

[Zao is life]

I don't have to ask Paul. John put the Seals first, and the church is removed before God deals with Israel in the Trumpets and the nations in the Thunders. You are the one trying to change around John's narrative to make your theory work. This is the final harvest. All of Adam's flesh and blood has to shed this physical body. And to choose God in the last 42 months, one has to chop their head of to enter the Millennium. Those who deny the Seals are about the church and redeemed, really don't know who are sealed, and who are not. Those who fail to see the 6th Seal as the Second Coming as Jesus gave in the OD, are going to miss when it happens.

If John wanted us to view any overlap or combining of events, he would have stated such. John already inserted the 7 Thunders between the 6th and 7th Trumpets, so he was very capable of letting us know when the order would change if it was different than given.

I disagree with most of your interpretations of prophetic scripture. What you say above I see as a jumbled mess that is so full of holes, that answering you would go completely off the subject and require hours of typing and quoting scripture - and then you will still believe what you believe to be true. So we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Timtofly]

To my way of thinking the first horseman symbolises any conquering power in the context of God allowing superior force to run its course.

Crowns symbolise sovereign power.
Bows symbolise weaponised capabilities.
Horses symbolise sustained momentum.

Sounds like covid19 to me. None can stop the momentum.

 

[Timtofly]

I disagree with most of your interpretations of prophetic scripture. What you say above I see as a jumbled mess that is so full of holes, that answering you would go completely off the subject and require hours of typing and quoting scripture - and then you will still believe what you believe to be true. So we will have to agree to disagree.

Reading is rather simple. Changing words around as you declare is complicated and takes many books by many humans to make Revelation more complicated than it actually is.

 

[David in NJ]

Sounds like covid19 to me. None can stop the momentum.

Correct

 

[Oseas]

Strawman deviation ended.

GOD is a devouring/consuming FIRE

Isaiah prophesied: Isaiah 33:v.10-14

10 Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.

11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.

12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.

13 Hear, ye that are far off (Gentile peoples), what I have done; and, ye that are near(Jewish people), acknowledge my might.

14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

 

[David in NJ]

Copy @Oseas David, if it were true what you say above then the son of man wearing the stephanos crown in Revelation 14:14 and the rider of the horse in Revelation 19 are not the same either. The same logic that is being used by you would apply to these two passages also.

Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will see it and will hear. In this case, it is you who is among those who do not have eyes to see nor ears to hear because you're telling Jesus what He means instead of letting Him tell you what He means. No amount of stating anything else on your or anyone else's part will change the facts.

Hello my Friend,
Remember i said to you, i could be wrong - and if i am it is a GREAT thing to find out and be free from error.
This is how His Body operates in love to the edifying of the whole Body.
give me some time - i have some work to attend to

 

[David in NJ]

I disagree with most of your interpretations of prophetic scripture. What you say above I see as a jumbled mess that is so full of holes, that answering you would go completely off the subject and require hours of typing and quoting scripture - and then you will still believe what you believe to be true. So we will have to agree to disagree.

working - maybe later tonight or next day - peace

 

[Zao is life]

Reading is rather simple. Changing words around as you declare is complicated and takes many books by many humans to make Revelation more complicated than it actually is.

The church is only removed when the 42 months are up. The saints are still in the world but are unharmed by the events of the 5th trumpet. The sixth seal is God's judgment coming upon the world, the resurrection of the saints has just occurred.

 

[marks]

The saints are still in the world but are unharmed by the events of the 5th trumpet.

The only ones not harmed in the 5th trumpet are those Israelites with the seal of the Living God on their foreheads. You may conjecture there are more than those, but that's what the Bible itself says.

Would you make the Holy Spirit to be a seal that is carried and applied by an angel? Because that's what the Bible says about these 144,000 Israelites being sealed.

Much love!

 

[Zao is life]

The only ones not harmed in the 5th trumpet are those Israelites with the seal of the Living God on their foreheads. You may conjecture there are more than those, but that's what the Bible itself says.

Would you make the Holy Spirit to be a seal that is carried and applied by an angel? Because that's what the Bible says about these 144,000 Israelites being sealed.

Much love!

The reason for your misinterpretation:

I know you won't agree with this (and will deny this), but those 144,000 represent all the saints, i.e the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers (who are called "ALL ISRAEL" in Romans 11:26). Revelation 7:9 tells you what the actual number is, and they are counted in Revelation 11:1-2 once the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. The measuring of the temple is a symbolic way of saying John is told to count the sheep to make sure that the full number of those who were to be sealed, aare now in the temple:

The son of perdition and the Tabernacle of God

 

[marks]

The reason for your misinterpretation:

I know you won't agree with this (and will deny this), but those 144,000 represent all the saints, i.e the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers (who are called "ALL ISRAEL" in Romans 11:26). Revelation 7:9 tells you what the actual number is.

What makes you think it doesn't mean what it says?

Much love!

 

[Zao is life]

What makes you think it doesn't mean what it says?

Much love!

Sorry, keep making mistakes because I'm multi-tasking.

I know you won't agree with this (and will deny this), but those 144,000 represent all the saints, i.e the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers (who are called "ALL ISRAEL" in Romans 11:26). Revelation 7:9 tells you what the actual number is, and they are counted in Revelation 11:1-2 once the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. The measuring of the temple is a symbolic way of saying John is told to count the sheep to make sure that the full number of those who were to be sealed, are now in the temple:

The son of perdition and the Tabernacle of God

 

[marks]

but those 144,000 represent all the saints,

According to what?

I suggest it means exactly what it says, according to itself. Nothing modifies this. Nothing tells us this is a symbol. Nothing defines it as a symbol. Not in the Bible, that is.

No, according to the Bible, and I can quote it verbatim to say this, there will be 12,000 virgin men from each of 12 tribes of Israel, who will be sealed by an angel, and who will be exempt from the 5th trumpet horror. No one else is included. The number, the identity, as specific as can be, no, really, in this case, a number is a number, and children of Israel means children of Israel, and sealed by an angel means that, all the rest.

It says what it says. And though many people say we shouldn't believe it, nothing in Scripture says it means anything different.

Much love!

* edit to correct terminology.

 

[Zao is life]

According to what?

I suggest it means exactly what it says, according to itself. Nothing modifies this. Nothing tells us this is a symbol. Nothing defines it as a symbol. Not in the Bible, that is.

No, according to the Bible, and I can quote it verbatim to say this, there will be 12,000 virgin men from each of 12 Jewish tribes who will be sealed by an angel, and who will be exempt from the 5th trumpet horror. No one else is included. The number, the identity, as specific as can be, no, really, in this case, a number is a number, and Jewish means Jewish, and sealed by an angel means that, all the rest.

It says what it says. And though many people say we shouldn't believe it, nothing in Scripture says it means anything different.

Much love!

How many of the 12 tribes are Jews? i.e which of the twelve tribes mentioned are the house of Judah?