Hidden in plain sight: Why I believe this about the Revelation

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WPM

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Don't Amils, such as yourself, realize that the LOF is a prison, for example? You seem to think there is no such thing as a prison that can imprison spirit beings. What about the lost when they die? Are they walking around among us in an unseen state since there is no such thing in another realm as prisons that can imprison spirit beings?

The abyss is not geographical place. It is a spiritual state of restraint.
 

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Don't Amils, such as yourself, realize that the LOF is a prison, for example? You seem to think there is no such thing as a prison that can imprison spirit beings. What about the lost when they die? Are they walking around among us in an unseen state since there is no such thing in another realm as prisons that can imprison spirit beings?
You avoided this above, as you normally do.

Revelation 20:2 makes clear, "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations [Gr. ethnos] no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”

Scripture often makes broad general sweeping statements. When Scripture tells us that the Gentiles would no longer be deceived it does not mean every single one of them, or even most of them, would be saved, just that the spiritual ignorance would be finally lifted from the darkened Gentiles. This relates to the Gospel light going out to the Gentiles (ethnos). Before the cross they were in darkness; now they are enlightened. They are without excuse. The answer to darkness every time is light.

With the Lord’s First Advent, the light began to shine brightly. Jesus confronted, overcame and dispelled the darkness at every turn. Satan was defeated on his own turf. Jesus bound Satan in spiritual chains. He limited his authority and influence over the Gentile nations and invaded his kingdom with the truth. Since the binding of Satan, the devil has not been able to prevent the spread of the Gospel to the nations, to keep the truth from shining bright on the once-blinded heathen or keep the Gentiles in spiritual darkness like they were in Old Testament times. Now the rest of the world has the opportunity to repent and receive deliverance and freedom. Satan's authority to deceive has been broken over countless millions since Calvary.

We see this with the special assignment that Jesus gave Paul in Acts 26:17-18: “Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles [Gr. ethnos], unto whom now I send thee, To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”

Did this mean the deception that blinded the Gentiles would be finally be lifted from all the darkened Gentiles? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Jesus, here, directly links the spiritual darkness enveloping the Gentiles to the power of Satan. He connects the Gentiles turning from darkness to light through the advance of the great commission to the deliverance of the Gentiles from the bondage or chains of Satan. This is how the gross darkness would be (and was) removed that hung over the Gentiles throughout the old covenant period. This is how they were delivered from the power of Satan to God to liberty in Christ.
 
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The abyss is not geographical place. It is a spiritual state of restraint.

Then you should be able to explain why the legion of demons feared to be sent to the abyss before their time if it is just simply a spiritual state of restraint rather than a literal place of some kind. Were the swine they were cast into and the lake the swine drown in, literal things and a literal place?

Are you going to argue that the Greek word 'abussos' means one thing in Luke 8:31 but means something entirely different in Revelation 20?
 
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Then you should be able to explain why the legion of demons feared to be sent to the abyss before their time if it is just simply a spiritual state of restraint rather than a literal place of some kind. Were the swine they were cast into and the lake the swine drown in, literal things and a literal place?

Are you going to argue that the Greek word 'abussos' means one thing in Luke 8:31 but means something entirely different in Revelation 20?
Yes, a spiritual state of restraint. It was not their time do you have to go to the abyss. That occurred after the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.