The problem with the thousand years?

[Truth7t7]

Spot-on. But this poor fellow @Truth7t7 cannot even read a dictionary definition of a Greek word when the dictionary defines it as meaning A thousand, and then repeating "thousand" (in the singular), without reading his interpretation into it.

It's useless trying to debate with someone who does that not only with scripture, but even with with a dictionary when the dictionary definition does not comply with his beliefs.

Strong’s Definitions
χίλιοι chílioi, khil'-ee-oy; plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand:—thousand.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 11x
The KJV translates Strong's G5507 in the following manner: thousand (11x).

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm not debating scripture, I'm debating your theory. Jesus certainly did say all that are in their graves shall hear His voice. But He didn't say when they will hear that voice... nor did He say all shall hear His voice on the last day. That's your assumption. You need to visit all scripture, not just those that support your preconceived opinions. Revelation tells us that the wicked are not called... Hear His voice.. until the end of the 1000 years. The ones called to life at the second coming... The last day...(before the millennium) are the ones who rule and reign over the 1000 years.

Your claim is in error, we will do this "Real Slow"

1.) In John 6:39-40 Jesus states the righteous believers are resurrected on (The Last Day)

2.) In John 5:28-29 we see the "righteous resurrection" and the wicked resurrection, John 6:39-40 teaches this is (The Last Day) resurrection of the righteous, all that are in the graves will come forth "All" on this last day

3.) John 12:48 teaches (The Last Day) is the time of final judgement, by the very words of Jesus Christ (The Same Shall Judge Him In The Last Day)

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death/Resurrection) has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Zao is life]

Okay thanks for this and your very welcome. It would just be better received if you said that you believe it to be a lie than it is a lie incase you don't fully understand the other persons position on the topic

Take care

Point taken. I believe it's a lie. Have a great weekend.

 

[Marty fox]

Point taken. I believe it's a lie. Have a great weekend.

Thanks and ditto to you

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The problem with the thousand is that most people don’t understand that there are two different sets of thousand years. There is the thousand year binding and there is the thousand year reigning.

Jesus doesn’t reign because satan is bound Jesus reigns because He is God

More to come

Correct and during His thousand year reign on earth,
Satan is bound in the abyss. they run concurrently not consecutively or at different times in hisatory.

sins that men commit in the kingdom will be because of their own will and not due to temptation. sin will also be judged immediately as it is written that jesus will rule with a rod of iron.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Angel of the 6th vial has the spirit being satan bound upon earth from gathering the nations to battle,

Mark's you cant squeeze a Millennial Kingdom on this earth out of Revelation 20:1-6, with a literal kingdom and mortal humans present, it's a man made fairy tale and you know it

what is the man made faitry tale is that you believe the thousand years is non literal. And you prove it by refusing to give a biblical defense that the thousand years where men will live and reign with Christ after being resurrected is non literal.

but the fact of a literal physical kingdom on earth with Messiah reigning is so well established in the OT and the gospels as to be beyind refute except by the most pernicious of falsehoods.

 

[Truth7t7]

Please harmonize this... Your own quote from scripture... With your theory that all are raised at the same time. The rest of the dead suggests others separate from the rest who were raised not at the end of the 1000 years.

The scripture does nothing more than explain tribulation saints and non tribulation saints

The scripture clearly teaches of (Two Groups Of Believers Below), those that were martyred in the tribulation (The Souls), and those that weren't martyred or coming out of the tribulation (The Rest Of The Dead) both groups of believers are reigning with Jesus in the Lords "Spiritual", and both groups will take part in the future (First Resurrection) on the last day at the second coming, it's that simple

As you have been shown, the (Second Death) is the (Second Resurrection) on the last day, of the wicked to the final judgement in the lake of fire, the believer is "Blessed" to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death/Resurrection) Has No Power

Revelation 20:4-8KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Marty fox]

Correct and during His thousand year reign on earth,
Satan is bound in the abyss. they run concurrently not consecutively or at different times in hisatory.

sins that men commit in the kingdom will be because of their own will and not due to temptation. sin will also be judged immediately as it is written that jesus will rule with a rod of iron.

If so then what would be your interpretation of post #43 & 56

 

[Truth7t7]

Correct and during His thousand year reign on earth,
Satan is bound in the abyss. they run concurrently not consecutively or at different times in hisatory.

sins that men commit in the kingdom will be because of their own will and not due to temptation. sin will also be judged immediately as it is written that jesus will rule with a rod of iron.

Fact is, there will be no literal thousand year kingdom on this earth, Revelation 20:1-6 represents (The Souls) & (The Dead) pretty hard to claim a literal kingdom on earth exist, now that's a no brainer

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Jesus will (Rule With A Rod Of Iron) in "Destruction" of the wicked at the second coming, as a potter destroys his vessels with a "Rod Of Iron"

Revelation 19:15KJV
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Psalm 2:9KJV
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 2:27KJV
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

 

[Truth7t7]

what is the man made faitry tale is that you believe the thousand years is non literal. And you prove it by refusing to give a biblical defense that the thousand years where men will live and reign with Christ after being resurrected is non literal.

but the fact of a literal physical kingdom on earth with Messiah reigning is so well established in the OT and the gospels as to be beyind refute except by the most pernicious of falsehoods.

As explained several times, in Revelation 20:1-6 there are (Souls) and (The Dead) and they live and reign because they have received eternal life, and they are blessed to partake in the future (First Resurrection) that takes place on the last day at the second coming as you have been shown several times

There isnt one Old Testament passage that shows a mortal 1,000 year kingdom on this earth, not one

Isaiah chapters 11 & 65, Zechariah 14, Ezekiel 47-48 represents the eternal kingdom, not a mortal kingdom on this earth as dispensationalism teaches in error

 

[Brakelite]

The scripture does nothing more than explain tribulation saints and non tribulation saints

The scripture clearly teaches of (Two Groups Of Believers Below), those that were martyred in the tribulation (The Souls), and those that weren't martyred or coming out of the tribulation (The Rest Of The Dead) both groups of believers are reigning with Jesus in the Lords "Spiritual", and both groups will take part in the future (First Resurrection) on the last day at the second coming, it's that simple

As you have been shown, the (Second Death) is the (Second Resurrection) on the last day, of the wicked to the final judgement in the lake of fire, the believer is "Blessed" to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death/Resurrection) Has No Power

Revelation 20:4-8KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Now that I've learned that you believe the 1000 years is something other than literal, I'm not sure why we were discussing this coming as we are from completely opposite ends of the argument. . I have no idea what you're talking about anymore. You are saying it's simple, but you have done nothing but complicate it more.

• The righteous dead are raised on the last day, exactly as you recorded from those half dozen scriptures from the gospel of John, and the righteous living are changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51-55. This is the second coming. They have already been judged otherwise the angels wouldn't know who's who to gather from the 4 corners of the earth.
• Everyone else is destroyed and not raised 2 minutes later. They remain dead along with all the wicked throughout history.
• The 1000 year reign begins. This is not on earth as many believe. The earth is destroyed. It is a wasteland, uninhabitable, polluted from nuclear fallout, environmental toxic chemicals from shattered factories and industry the world over. The governments, the institutions of the world have ceased to exist. The plagues destroyed everything.
• The devil is bound by circumstances that curtail his attempts to do anything anymore but sit things out and contemplate his inevitable destruction.
• At the end of the literal 1000 years the New Jerusalem descends out of heaven with all the saints inside.
• The wicked are then raised... The rest of the dead.
• The devil has one final doing so overthrowing the throne of God by gathering Gog and Magog, all the nations together, surrounding the great city to overthrow it.
• Fire comes down out of heaven and destroys them all. Some suffer longer than others according to their works. Satan of course suffers longer than them all. He dies last.
• Then God creates a new heaven and a new earth. The kingdom of God begins on the earth, and the saints inherit the earth as promised.

 

[Truth7t7]

Now that I've learned that you believe the 1000 years is something other than literal, I'm not sure why we were discussing this coming as we are from completely opposite ends of the argument. . I have no idea what you're talking about anymore. You are saying it's simple, but you have done nothing but complicate it more.

• The righteous dead are raised on the last day, exactly as you recorded from those half dozen scriptures from the gospel of John, and the righteous living are changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51-55. This is the second coming. They have already been judged otherwise the angels wouldn't know who's who to gather from the 4 corners of the earth.
• Everyone else is destroyed and not raised 2 minutes later. They remain dead along with all the wicked throughout history.
• The 1000 year reign begins. This is not on earth as many believe. The earth is destroyed. It is a wasteland, uninhabitable, polluted from nuclear fallout, environmental toxic chemicals from shattered factories and industry the world over. The governments, the institutions of the world have ceased to exist. The plagues destroyed everything.
• The devil is bound by circumstances that curtail his attempts to do anything anymore but sit things out and contemplate his inevitable destruction.
• At the end of the literal 1000 years the New Jerusalem descends out of heaven with all the saints inside.
• The wicked are then raised... The rest of the dead.
• The devil has one final doing so overthrowing the throne of God by gathering Gog and Magog, all the nations together, surrounding the great city to overthrow it.
• Fire comes down out of heaven and destroys them all. Some suffer longer than others according to their works. Satan of course suffers longer than them all. He dies last.
• Then God creates a new heaven and a new earth. The kingdom of God begins on the earth, and the saints inherit the earth as promised.

Your claims are out in left field,and dont represent my belief

The 1,000 year "Non-Literal" reign is taking place currently in the Lords spiritual, and will cease at the second coming, if a tribulation saint dies 1 day before the Lords coming, he enters this "Non-Literal" reign

At the end of the tribulation, the 6th vial is poured out, and satan is loosed to gather the worlds nations towards Jerusalem and Armageddon

The Lord returns to battle at Armageddon, as the resurrection of "All" and catching up of believers takes place, the Lord dissolves this earth by fire, all mens works are judged by this, as the new Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem, are revealed in the twinkling if an eye

Judgement is complete, as the wicked are judged to the Lake of Fire, the righteous enter the eternal kingdom, eternity begins (The End)

You have a sketch of my belief, feel free to comment

 

[Waiting on him]

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

When did the kingdoms of this world (O kósmos) become the kingdoms of Christ?

the moment He entered His kingdom, and sat on the throne.

my question for you would be…. Where is heaven?

 

[Zao is life]

the moment He entered His kingdom, and sat on the throne.

my question for you would be…. Where is heaven?

You're contradicting Jesus, twice: once in His statement to Pilate, and once in His statement in the Revelation. You're also contradicting the apostle who wrote the book of Hebrews.

My question to you would be, why are you contradicting or second guessing Jesus?

PS Heaven is wherever God is. Where is God? Is He not omnipresent?

 

[Waiting on him]

You're contradicting Jesus, twice: once in His statement to Pilate, and once in His statement in the Revelaiton. You're also contradicting the apostle who wrote the book of Hebrews.

My question to you would be, why are you contradicting or second guessing Jesus?

PS Heaven is wherever God is. Where is God? Is He not omnipresent?

No contradiction at all, only restated what He said in scripture. And you posted it yourself, His kingdom isn’t of this world, it within….. that’s where heaven is. He even allows us to sit with Him in His throne,,,, the throne of David.

 

[Zao is life]

No contradiction at all, only restated what He said in scripture. And you posted it yourself, His kingdom isn’t of this world, it within….. that’s where heaven is. He even allows us to sit with Him in His throne,,,, the throne of David.

Well let's just leave it at what we agree on. Going into a debate about the millennium and whether or not Christ's Kingdom is in this world but not of this world, and whether or not it will ever be of this world is not something I'm too keen on because I already almost torpedo'd @Marty fox 's thread. and today at least, I don't want to deabte more than one person at a time about it

 

[Waiting on him]

Well let's just leave it at what we agree on. Going into a debate about the millennium and whether or not Christ's Kingdom is in this world but not of this world, and whether or not it will ever be of this world is not something I'm too keen on because I already almost torpedo'd @Marty fox 's thread. and today at least, I don't want to deabte more than one person at a time about it

You haven’t blown up anything, you’ve only made an clown out of yourself along with 7t7.

 

[Zao is life]

You haven’t blown up anything, you’ve only made an clown out of yourself along with 7t7.

All in the eyes of the beholder. One man's clown is another man's wise old owl.

PS: You're making a clown of yourself now.

 

[Waiting on him]

Summary of the debate, for approximately two pages.

your a liar.
No I’m not your the liar!
Stop calling me a liar or I’m gonna tell!
Well you are a liar.
No your the liar!

what a debate.

 

[Waiting on him]

The one thousand is a symbolic portrayal of a long period of time.
Example;
Psalm 50:10 KJV
[10] For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Does this mean all the other hills in the world are not His?