The first horseman of the Apocalypse

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All the promises made to Abraham were fulfilled in Jesus Christ, seed singular (Jesus) not seeds plural (National Israel) as you claim

Galatians 3:16KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJV
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Much love!

 

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You claim isnt found in scripture

You are correct, sort of. It's in Scripture, but not Ezekiel. It was Jeremiah. Sorry!!

Much love!

 

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Revelation 19:16 KJV
And he (That would be Jesus) hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Jeremiah 30:7-9 KJV
7) Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8) For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9) But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Matthew 19:28 KJV
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Much love!

Jeremiah 30 that you quote is nothing more than Jeremiah writing to those in the Babylonian Captivity, and how God was going to deliver them to return to Israel/Jerusalem

Your claim this represents a future event is error, as you have deviated from the "Context" on who it was written to as seen below, and created a future event that doesn't exist in error

Jeremiah 29:1KJV
1 Now these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem unto the residue of the elders which were carried away captives, and to the priests, and to the prophets, and to all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to Babylon;

 

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Jeremiah 30 that you quote is nothing more than Jeremiah writing to those in the Babylonian Captivity, and how God was going to deliver them to return to Israel/Jerusalem

Your claim this represents a future event is error, as you have deviated from the "Context" on who it was written to as seen below, and created a future event that doesn't exist in error

Jeremiah 29:1KJV
1 Now these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem unto the residue of the elders which were carried away captives, and to the priests, and to the prophets, and to all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to Babylon;

Jeremiah 30:7-9 KJV
7) Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8) For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9) But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Not fulfilled yet . . .

Strangers still help themselves to Israel, and David is not raised their king.

Much love!

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

Jeremiah 30:7-9 KJV
7) Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8) For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9) But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Not fulfilled yet . . .

Strangers still help themselves to Israel, and David is not raised their king.

Much love!

Much love!

Jeremiah 30 that you quote is nothing more than Jeremiah writing to those in the Babylonian Captivity, and how God was going to deliver them to return to Israel/Jerusalem

Your claim this represents a future event is error, as you have deviated from the "Context" on who it was written to as seen below, and created a future event that doesn't exist in error

Hey Israel, This is Jeremiah your prophet, I'm writing on how God is going to deliver Israel from their captivity, but it pertains to Israel 2,000 years down the road from now, dont be disappointed?

Big Smiles!

Jeremiah 29:1KJV
1 Now these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem unto the residue of the elders which were carried away captives, and to the priests, and to the prophets, and to all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to Babylon;

Jeremiah 30:2-3KJV
2 Thus speaketh the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.
3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

 

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Hey Israel, This is Jeremiah your prophet, I'm writing on how God is going to deliver Israel, from their captivity, but it pertains to Israel 2,000 years down the road from now, dont be disappointed?

It's fulfilled when it's fulfilled. It's not me you are mocking.

We have to wait for Jesus to return also. And many things like that.

You realize that Israel did not return to the land in faith, so, it wasn't time.

Much love!

 

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It's fulfilled when it's fulfilled. It's not me you are mocking.

We have to wait for Jesus to return also. And many things like that.

You realize that Israel did not return to the land in faith, so, it wasn't time.

Much love!

It Was Fulfilled Long Ago In 536BC, When Israel Returned To Jerusalem From The 70 Year Babylonian Captivity, And The 2nd Zerubbabel Temple Was Built

Hey Israel, This is Jeremiah your prophet, I'm writing on how God is going to deliver Israel from their captivity, but it pertains to Israel 2,500 years down the road from now, dont be disappointed?

Big Smiles!

 

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It Was Fulfilled Long Ago In 536BC, When Israel Returned To Jerusalem From The 70 Year Babylonian Captivity, And The 2nd Zerubbabel Temple Was Built

Hey Israel, This is Jeremiah your prophet, I'm writing on how God is going to deliver Israel from their captivity, but it pertains to Israel 2,500 years down the road from now, dont be disappointed?

Big Smiles!

Only a few returned, and they did not build the temple God commanded by Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 43:9-11 KJV
9) Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.
10) Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11) And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

But they were not, and did not.

A few returned, and they build a small temple, and God blessed it, and provided for its increase, and promised the glory of that little temple would be greater than Solomon's temple. That was the temple Jesus came to.

But it was not what God had commanded. And this prophecy has not been fulfilled, that God has come to live with them forever. But it will be.

Much love!

 

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Only a few returned, and they did not build the temple God commanded by Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 43:9-11 KJV
9) Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.
10) Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11) And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

But they were not, and did not.

A few returned, and they build a small temple, and God blessed it, and provided for its increase, and promised the glory of that little temple would be greater than Solomon's temple. That was the temple Jesus came to.

But it was not what God had commanded. And this prophecy has not been fulfilled, that God has come to live with them forever. But it will be.

Much love!

It was Ezekiels temple as seen in Ezekiel chapters 40-46, the 2nd Zerubbabel temple, who you kidding

Ezekiel chapters 47-48 represents the (Eternal Kingdom)

 

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It was Ezekiels temple as seen in Ezekiel chapters 40-46, the 2nd Zerubbabel temple, who you kidding

Not the same. Check the dimensions. Ezekiel's temple was bigger than Solomon's. Zerubbabel's temple smaller.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

Not the same. Check the dimensions. Ezekiel's temple was bigger than Solomon's. Zerubbabel's temple smaller.

Much love!

Your Claim Is Error

As clearly shown, Ezekiel Chapter 43 showed the temple "Pattern" to the House of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity let "Them" measure, Ezekiel was instructed to write the ordinances and law in "Their" sight, that "They" keep them, not some future generation as many "Falsely" claim

The temple seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity, where animal sacrifice for "Sin" was was instructed by "God", prior to the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, don't be deceived

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-21KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.

 

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As clearly shown, Ezekiel Chapter 43 showed the temple "Pattern" to the House of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity let "Them" measure, Ezekiel was instructed to write the ordinances and law in "Their" sight, that "They" keep them, not some future generation as many "Falsely" claim

Exactly. It was supposed to be them building that temple, and they didn't do it. They were supposed to have been ashamed of what they had done, and returned to Israel, and build the temple. A few returned, most did not. And they built a small temple, not the one God told them to build.

Much love!

 

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who you kidding

And about that . . . I'm not a kidder.

 

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don't be deceived

Check the details . . .

 

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Only a few returned, and they did not build the temple God commanded by Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 43:9-11 KJV
9) Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.
10) Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11) And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

But they were not, and did not.

A few returned, and they build a small temple, and God blessed it, and provided for its increase, and promised the glory of that little temple would be greater than Solomon's temple. That was the temple Jesus came to.

But it was not what God had commanded. And this prophecy has not been fulfilled, that God has come to live with them forever. But it will be.

Much love!

Israel returned, and with the prophets help the 2nd Zerubbabel temple was built, and the glory of the Lord filled the temple in approval, who you kidding, not me

Hey Israel, This is Jeremiah your prophet, I'm writing on how God is going to deliver Israel from their captivity, but it pertains to Israel 2,500 years down the road from now, dont be disappointed?

Big Smiles!

 

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The reason for your misinterpretation:

I know you won't agree with this (and will deny this), but those 144,000 represent all the saints, i.e the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers (who are called "ALL ISRAEL" in Romans 11:26). Revelation 7:9 tells you what the actual number is, and they are counted in Revelation 11:1-2 once the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. The measuring of the temple is a symbolic way of saying John is told to count the sheep to make sure that the full number of those who were to be sealed, aare now in the temple:

The son of perdition and the Tabernacle of God

How did they in the first century know where the lost tribes were? I don't think they would see it like you do. They would not put Gentiles into those twelve tribes.

It is funny people want to point out how they think the first century humans thought, and then put today's theology where it just does not fit.

Especially the earlier Revelations is dated. Jerusalem had not even been destroyed yet, so saying the 144k are full of Gentiles would have had you killed by any Jew of that day.

God told the first century they were of Israel. The first century reader would laugh at your interpretation.

All the saints cannot be numbered. But can you name the disciples of Christ? These 144k would be considered the best men or groomsmen. So calling them the church of all ages, ie saints, is going above what is expected in symbolism.

Now they are the saints in Revelation 13, because they are the only redeemed on the earth, and during those 42 months leave earth for Mt. Zion. They are the camp of the saints, in Revelation 20, because they are the core group, the best men, of Christ, the firstfruits of the Millennium. Those beheaded would be the next in line after the 144k. But God will assemble all nations, because all nations had some wheat sown during the Trumpets, which was harvested during the Thunders. There will also be the sheep of Matthew 25:31-32. All these will live in the Millennium on earth.

The church, all the redeemed prior to the Second Coming, the 6th Seal, will remain in Paradise for a Day. Since a Day in Paradise is 1000 years on earth. It will only be after the NHNE, when the church comes down as the New Jerusalem.

 

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You obviously don't believe the New Testament (which teaches that genetic ancestry means nothing and counts nothing). Only those who are Christ's through faith in Christ are Israel, but you want to make the 144,000 all about genetic ancestry.

It is about genetic history. So why are you claiming the church is the genetic historical Israel? The church is made up of all humans, and not tied to any genetic group, not even to prove a theological point.

Those sealed as the 144k are of Israel. Not genetic church people of your choosing.

 

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While I still don't see it that way, even so, doesn't this support that Israel is not cast off forever? National, house of, Israel?

Much love!

The promise God made in Jeremiah is based on the New Covenant. Only those who believe in Jesus are Israel. There is a qualification that applies to Jew and Gentile alike:

John 3
18 He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This "National Israel" that you are talking about comprised of Jews who do not believe in Jesus is a virtual reality bubble constructed by you that floats around in your world only, but not in the Kingdom of Christ.

 

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When God shuts the door of the ark He shuts the door. It does not matter how many Jews and Gentiles are left outside through their unbelief. Those in the ark when the door has been shut by God are Jews and Gentiles who believe, represented by the 144,000 and the multitude in Revelation 7:9 which you don't realize (or refuse to acknowledge) tells you how many the 144,000 are. The number is as literal as the seal of God is a branding on their foreheads. The seal of God is the Holy Spirit. It's not physical. Yet you insist on making the 144,000 a literal number.

The 144k are not on the ark, when God shuts the door. Being sealed by the angels means they are still in the Flood zone and live through it, not on the ark out of harms way. The seal of the angels is not being in the ark. Being in the ark is being in Paradise at the 6th Seal. See the distinction between those on earth and those in Paradise in chapter 7 between the 6th and 7th Seal?

 

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All the promises made to Abraham were fulfilled in Jesus Christ, seed singular (Jesus) not seeds plural (National Israel) as you claim

Galatians 3:16KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

All the promises to Abraham are fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Not were fulfilled. Jesus is alive forevermore.