Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[BloodBought 1953]

..I do contend that your average Christian will show up on Judgment Day and pass with flying colors.


Not only the will the “ average” Christian “ pass......”ALL” Christians will pass! A Christian is somebody that has “ Christ IN Them” .......

The TEST that must be passed, according to Paul is this—- Can you say sincerely that “ Jesus is Lord? “ No man can say that without the Holy Spirit in them.....Without that Spirit “You are NONE of His” .....if you have that Spirit in you, He will “NEVER leave or forsake you” .....You can’t leave “Him” either.....the Bible says that NO FUTURE EVENT can have you escaping God's Grasp .....If you are Saved and later decide to “ get out”, trying to escape the Grip Of God ,THAT would be a Future Event” ......it won’t work....thank God...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

..No one is saying that being good and doing good is salvation. It is obedience to Christ.



Sounds good....it “ tickles the ears “ of those that want to be Co-Savior, but it is Unbiblical.....Salvation comes from Resting in Paul’s Gospel Of 1 Cor15:1-4, the Gospel Given to Paul by Jesus.....Do you Believe that Jesus died for your sins? Do you Believe that Jesus rose from the dead? If your answer is “Yes”, you are Saved.......

If you Add to Paul’s Gospel with ANYTHiNG , such as “ being good” , “being obedient”, “tithing”, “church attendance”, “Lucky Repentance” which is having the Super Memory and the incredible LUCK to remember and Repent of ALL of your Sins before you die, you are one who “ Falls from Grace” —- that might be tantamount to Damnation.....intelligent Bible teachers disagree.....why gamble? It really “ IS” Nothing But The Blood for Salvation.....this Thinking is embedded in Paul’s Gospel .....it is the Gospel That you will be JUDGED BY! Best get it straight.....Don't ADD to it.....REST in it! It’s a Command of God.....Read Hebrews 3 and 4.....Don't Be found guilty of “ Disobedience and UNBELIEF!” Dangerous Stuff. God bless....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

8..Then again, heaven is not going to be full of evildoers.

Heaven will be full of “evildoers”.......FORGIVEN “evildoers”......Forgiven because of their Faith- Plus Nothing....

Remember the paralyzed man that was lowered into the house from the roof? When Jesus saw this man’s FAITH ( Plus Nothing) He said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven”

Nothing has changed.....wanna get your sins forgiven? Believe and Rest in the Gospel Found In 1Cor15:1-4..... make sure you don’t ADD to it....with ANYTHING!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

5..I am not saying that sinful lifestyles cannot be forgiven. Even towards the end someone that has committed the worst of horrible sins or a sinful lifestyle can repent and be forgiven


The very definition of “ Lucky Repentance” is on display here.....Grace does not exist in this Land of Luck.....Faith in Jesus is Of no importance in the End.....Grace does not exist.....the Blood Of Jesus does not cover ALL sins —- only those that had the Luck to repent of all of their sins before they died....it’s a False Addition to the Gospel.....check out Gal 1:8 to see the Fate of this that teach a “ False, Perverted Gospel”..... it ain’t pretty ....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

could someone like Hitler or serial killers change their character in that last few moments of their life?

A “ Change Of Character “ will make you more Moral.....Hell will be Chock- Full Of Moral people, people that “ turned over a New Leaf” and “ Good Neighbor Sam’s” .......A mans BEST Morality is like “ used menstrual rags” to God......God can’t save a man who thinks he is “ Moral Enough” to get to Heaven.....God is looking for sinful , immoral men that KNOW that they are Unclean and who know that they MUSt have a Savior to Save them.....that “ Savior, of course , is Jesus Christ .....those that TURN ( Repent) to Him, as Lost Sinners , Knowing their “ Morality” is Dung , He in NO ways will let them be “ Cast out” ......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

..No one here is saying that you have to be perfect to go to heaven.


I say that. Jesus said that......”You are to BE PERFECT! Even as your Father in Heaven is Perfect!

That “ Perfection” is IMPUTED to all that Believe the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4......Don’t “ go Home” without it! You can’t.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Keep up. We are not talking a sin, we are talking about lifestyle sins.
And then the rest of what your saying is all manner of evil goes to heaven.
God and the good Christians have to spend eternity with all manner of evil.
So what is hell for?

Hell is for Unbelievers , because if you are a Believer you are “ Saved to the Uttermost!” A Believer in Jesus will “NEVER come Under Condemnation...” Do you know what the word “ NEVER” means?
All Believers in Jesus have “ ALREADY passed from Death unto Life”.....only the “ Stiff - Necked” have trouble comprehending such simple, obvious verses....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Your belief is not in the Bible.

Prove it. With Scripture.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I know you believe that we are all dirty rags....Satan believes that too.
I disagree if for no other reason because Paul called Christians saints.

“ Saints “ are nothing more than Saved Sinners That Rest in Paul’s Gospel....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I know you believe that we are all dirty rags....Satan believes that too.
I disagree if for no other reason because Paul called Christians saints.

“ WE” are not dirty Rags.....any “ good works” done by us to GET Saved or STAY Saved? “ Those” are the dirty rags in question...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

13..In regard to sins, what is being discussed here is mostly lifestyle sins.



Sin is sin to God.....show me your Chapter and Verse for these “ lifestyle sins” please....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You have said a mouthful here... I believe much of the offence that is birthed in this thread and all others that discuss the issue of sin.... is that NO consideration is given to the TRUTH that we are all a work in progress....sometimes we act well... and we are ( one with God if you will ) and sometimes... we fall short... for a multitude of reasons... and God is fully aware of that.

These discussions/arguments always use the WORST of examples... such as the homosexual.. .the drunk... the drug addict... the prostitute...the child molester... I believe the average Christian is simply trying to work out their salvation from Glory to Glory... and they have the right to do so without CONDEMNATION.

I don't think the church is doing their job properly in this day and age... and to go back to how it SHOULD be is something that I don't see happening.

I have been accused of getting offended by the topic of correction... I am not offended by proper correction within the church... but for the most part... I think Christians KNOW when they have sinned... and are NOT in need of correcting... but rather in need of GRACE.

Too many cooks in the kitchen so to speak.... That is my little opinion... If someone is doing proper inventory of themselves... they do NOT need someone coming along and correcting them.... and many Christians seem to think they have the right to be the SIN POLICE... all the while... neglecting to "know thyself" and missing the huge log in their own eye.

Paul said if you find a Brother, “ caught up in Sin” ( so much for a Believers Sinless Perfection), he is to be taken aside and treated with understanding, love and compassion ......be real careful as you try to correct him .....Paul wisely warns—— YOU might be NEXT !

 

[BloodBought 1953]

"if we deny Him, He will also deny us; if we are faithless, He remains faithful" 2 Timothy 2:12-13​

You can be faithless in your struggle with sin as a believer, but you can not deny Christ in unbelief and still be saved.

You “ Deny” Jesus by Denying His Gospel and His Finished Work Of The Cross to Save you, because if you “ believe” the Gospel , you are Saved .....it’s a Promise Of God....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

"...in spite of how much you wish you could make that phony, ignorant charge stick....He knows you are getting desperate..."

Ring a bell?

Not one single bit.Just Another pithy remark that you think will stick just because you uttered it.....no basis in fact....it just sounds “ clever” to somebody with a limited intelligence...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Oops.....my bad...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No, that was the guy with a self confessed emotional instability that you abused and beat up relentlessly....in the name of Christ and the gospel of course.

He preached a False, Perverted Gospel ....Both IT and HE are “ Accursed”. You ever read Gal.1:8? His type “ shipwrecks Faith” at best and damns souls to hell at worst! Ring a bell ? And you try to make “ ME” the Bad Guy?

“A little Leaven leavens the whole batch”..... throw this Gospel Pervert a “ pity party” if you like .....Paul said to “cast out” the Spiritual descendants of Ishmael ( Legalists) ....The Leaven Spreader that you are so fond of ( birds of a feather.....) and his “ emotional instability” was probably the work of demons....I truly felt sorry for the guy sometimes, but his ilk is too dangerous to push their unbiblical pablum in a forum where there are Newbies that can fall for his crapola......Putting up with Legalists and Leaven Spreaders like Him lead to the downfall of many of the churches that Paul founded ( “all of those in Asia- Minor have deserted me” Paul lamented at the end of his ministry )

God HATES Leaven.....so do I....I was happy to play a part in his exiting these Forums...I am honored to be a man that stands up for Paul’s True Gospel Of Grace....Somebody has to do it....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

But purposely living in the lifestyle of a drug addict, or an adulterer, or a pedophile in the church gets a pass because all these are covered by God's super over abundant grace as long you have believed somewhere in the past, right? Just as long as you're not a legalist! Please make sure we all understand this Hyper Grace theology correctly.

Nah....not for the fiftieth time...I am lazy man sometimes...thats one of my many sins ....tonight is one of those times .... the info is out there for Newbies....that’s all that counts...

You know EXACTLY what my Doctrine is , Ferris....by now I bet you know “IT” better than you know your own ! Lol.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Thank you!
Maybe @Blood Bought 1953 will read this?

Been there —- Done That......on every one of these verses.... not going to fool with them AGAIN tonight.....

To be succinct.....any verse that “ seems” to disprove Eternal Security is one of two things.....taken out of context or it is a verse not being delivered to “ The Body Of Christ” .....lets let that suffice for now....

 

[Addy]

HA.... all I see is BB talking to himself...

Sorry BB can't follow this thread anymore... as I have G and F on IGNORE...and it's impossible to follow without seeing their posts.

It's a new day... a new week... Going to spend some time in Worship.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

BTW- here is my motto I live by :

In essentials unity, in non essentials liberty, in all things charity.

I see Calvinism/Arminianism debate as non essential. Essentials are things like the Trinity, the Deity of Christ, Inerrancy, the gospel, the bodily Resurrection, Ascension and 2nd Coming of Christ, salvation by grace through faith, heaven, hell to name a few.

*Do you believe the Trinity/Monotheism?
*Do you believe the Deity of Jesus, fully man, fully God?
*Do you believe in the life, death, burial and resurrection of Christ which is the gospel 1 Cor 15?
*Do you believe in the Virgin Birth?
*Do you believe in the Atoning work of Christ on the cross?
*Do you believe we are saved by faith alone in Christ?
*Do you believe Jesus is our only Mediator between God and man?
*Do you believe and one must be born again to enter the Kingdom of God?
*Do you believe in the resurrection of the living and the dead?
*Do you believe in the eternal punishment of the wicked in the lake of fire?
*Do you believe in the literal bodily physical return (2nd Coming) of Jesus?
*Do you believe that all mankind is born sinners?
*Do you believe in the Inerrancy of the Bible (original documents)?
*Do you believe the scriptures are divinely inspired by God?
*Do you believe that Christians must have and demonstrate love for the brethren and fellowship with other believers?

I believe ALL of these things....