Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[Ferris Bueller]

“ If we are Unfaithful, He REMAINS Faithful.....”

"if we deny Him, He will also deny us; if we are faithless, He remains faithful" 2 Timothy 2:12-13​

You can be faithless in your struggle with sin as a believer, but you can not deny Christ in unbelief and still be saved.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The record is here....we all know what you said.....it showed your heart ....it was an ugly thing to behold....quit trying to squirm out of it.....

"...in spite of how much you wish you could make that phony, ignorant charge stick....He knows you are getting desperate..."

Ring a bell?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Newbies May not realize that being a Legalists causes one to “ Fall From Grace”

...so does turning your back on the inheritance in contempt to feed the appetites of the flesh:

"14Pursue peace with everyone, as well as holiness, without which no one will see the Lord. 15See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God, and that no root of bitternessf springs up to cause trouble and defile many. 16See to it that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his birthright. 17For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected. He could find no ground for repentance, though he sought the blessing with tears." Hebrews 12:14-17
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And to think, he thought he was going to receive the inheritance anyway, despite the fact he trampled on it and rejected it. Many 'Christians' will be in for the same surprise when it's time to receive the inheritance, thinking they still have it, or ever had it, after they have rejected and trampled on it by willfully and purposely going back to their sins in unbelief. These warnings are not in scripture for nothing, folks!

 

[Grailhunter]

The definition of "living in sin" can be understood in this way. The contrast is between the sinners who are running toward pleasure, selfishness, self aggrandizement, and diversion and those sinners who are running away from such things but happen to trip along the way.

Pretty good. Then you have the contract to live in sins. Homosexual wedding vows! An agreement to live a life of sin for the rest of their lives.

 

[ChristisGod]

"if we deny Him, He will also deny us; if we are faithless, He remains faithful" 2 Timothy 2:12-13​

You can be faithless in your struggle with sin as a believer, but you can not deny Christ in unbelief and still be saved.

I do not think @Blood Bought 1953 believes a person can deny Christ and be saved. Jesus said those who deny Him, the Father will also deny.

 

[ChristisGod]

Pretty good. Then you have the contract to live in sins. Homosexual wedding vows! An agreement to live a life of sin for the rest of their lives.

who believes that on here ?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Another “ dog that won’t hunt” ....you preach a False, Perverted Gospel Of “Lucky Repentance” That needs “Rebuking” .....it’s the Biblical thing to do.....sorry if you don’t believe the Bible....I can’t let you spread your False Gospel Without Rebuking it for the Newbies to see....Many have been brainwashed by “ churches” like yours that preach the same “ Accursed” Gospel .....Paul says that those that preach a gospel different from his are damned....Paul said that—- not me.....Newbies please take note of the importance of Believing Pauls Gospel Found In 1Cor15:1-4 and NEVER adding to it....not even something that “ sounds” Holy....like “ Lucky Repentance.. ( having the Good Fortune to recall ALL of your sins and be sorry about them before you die )..... read all about it in Galatians....it’s only 6 short chapters ....it could save your soul, and you will notice the words “ repent from all of your sins before you die or you are damned” will not be found there....

But purposely living in the lifestyle of a drug addict, or an adulterer, or a pedophile in the church gets a pass because all these are covered by God's super over abundant grace as long you have believed somewhere in the past, right? Just as long as you're not a legalist! Please make sure we all understand this Hyper Grace theology correctly.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I do not think @Blood Bought 1953 believes a person can deny Christ and be saved. Jesus said those who deny Him, the Father will also deny.

Uh, yes he does.
This Hyper Grace garbage is very insidious. Don't be fooled. It sneaks in unawares...

"4For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." Jude 1:4
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Hyper Grace theology talks a good talk about grace, until it gets to the part that says we can turn our back on Christ in unbelief and purposely sin and we are still saved.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

who believes that on here ?

You, being a Calvinist should be totally in the face of Hyper Grace theology, but for some reason Calvinists are okay with a theology that directly contradicts their Calvinists beliefs. Hyper Grace theology says the person who once believed, but who is now living in sin and unbelief is still forever saved despite their sinful lifestyle and unbelief. Calvinists say that person was never born again to begin with, and that truly born again people don't live in sin. Yet, not a finger gets raised by Calvinists to expose this damnable heretical Hyper Grace theology sweeping through the church. Is Calvinism dead?

 

[ChristisGod]

You, being a Calvinist should be totally in the face of Hyper Grace theology, but for some reason Calvinists are okay with a theology that directly contradicts their Calvinists beliefs. Hyper Grace theology says the person who once believed, but who is now living in sin and unbelief is still forever saved despite their sinful lifestyle and unbelief. Calvinists say that person was never born again to begin with, and that truly born again people don't live in sin. Yet, not a finger gets raised by Calvinists to expose this damnable heretical Hyper Grace theology sweeping through the church. Is Calvinism dead?

Not true shall we continue in sin that grace may abound ? may it never be.

I firmly believe the following from Galatians 5

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

James 2
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless

 

[Ferris Bueller]

you preach a False, Perverted Gospel Of “Lucky Repentance”

No, that was the guy with a self confessed emotional instability that you abused and beat up relentlessly....in the name of Christ and the gospel of course.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Not true shall we continue in sin that grace may abound ? may it never be.

I firmly believe the following from Galatians 5

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

James 2
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless

Thank you!
Maybe @Blood Bought 1953 will read this?

 

[ChristisGod]

Thank you!
Maybe @Blood Bought 1953 will read this?

You can call me a calvinist but calvinism is more than tulip. I believe tulip is correct but disagree with many things calvin taught. For example I'm a dispensationalist.

 

[ChristisGod]

BTW- here is my motto I live by :

In essentials unity, in non essentials liberty, in all things charity.

I see Calvinism/Arminianism debate as non essential. Essentials are things like the Trinity, the Deity of Christ, Inerrancy, the gospel, the bodily Resurrection, Ascension and 2nd Coming of Christ, salvation by grace through faith, heaven, hell to name a few.

*Do you believe the Trinity/Monotheism?
*Do you believe the Deity of Jesus, fully man, fully God?
*Do you believe in the life, death, burial and resurrection of Christ which is the gospel 1 Cor 15?
*Do you believe in the Virgin Birth?
*Do you believe in the Atoning work of Christ on the cross?
*Do you believe we are saved by faith alone in Christ?
*Do you believe Jesus is our only Mediator between God and man?
*Do you believe and one must be born again to enter the Kingdom of God?
*Do you believe in the resurrection of the living and the dead?
*Do you believe in the eternal punishment of the wicked in the lake of fire?
*Do you believe in the literal bodily physical return (2nd Coming) of Jesus?
*Do you believe that all mankind is born sinners?
*Do you believe in the Inerrancy of the Bible (original documents)?
*Do you believe the scriptures are divinely inspired by God?
*Do you believe that Christians must have and demonstrate love for the brethren and fellowship with other believers?

 

[Addy]

LOL... theefaith is fine... and still going strong... I check in on him on a weekly basis to say hi...
He is so used to me asking him if he is bored... that sometimes he posts ... and NO ADDY... I'm not bored... LOL

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Wow! Where can I sign up for this “ church”

Just look for the 'license to (purposely) sin' theology. You might have to dig a little bit though because they hide that theology in the true message of God's grace that they use to draw people in and to give them the appearance of some legitimacy.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I see Calvinism/Arminianism as non essential.

I do too. But Hyper Grace theology is neither of these.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

James—- the last refuge of the Legalist....

Educate me. Where does James say works earn salvation?

Are you not going to address James 2:24? It obviously doesn't fit in your theology very well. Should we just discard this part of scripture?

 

[ChristisGod]

I do too. But Hyper Grace theology is neither of these.

My wife and 3/4 kids are arminians as are most of my christian friends and pastors I know. The reality is that it has no effect on my day to day life and interaction with others. Afterall God does the saving and my responsibility is to reflect Gods love towards others and share the gospel when He opens the door. Sometimes it gets brought up in our small group bible studies but I always present both sides ( i use to be arminian) and let them decide where God leads them.

I have a quick story to share where our arminian pastor who was preaching through the book of Ephesians for the first time. He could not escape the fact in Ephesians 1 about predestination, Gods choosing, election etc. He said when I read Ephesians 1 he is a calvinist lol.

 

[Addy]

Shakes head at HYPER GRACE... I wonder how much GRACE is acceptable to use... GOOD GRIEF.

I wonder how many SINNING CHRISTIANS aren't truly GRATEFUL for this HYPER GRACE they complain so much about???
Seems to be a growing number.

OH lookie at me... I'm such a super dooper good Christian BECAUSE I only used half a cup of Grace in my whole life time.

People are STRANGE... lol