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amigo de christo

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Not all who are born Israel are of Israel too i guess
Ye must be born again the flesh profits nothing . I take this to my grave . It wont and it dont matter what we were born
naturally , whether jew or whether gentile . IF WE DENY GOD , HELLFIRE AWAITS . THUS IF WE DENY JESUS we just DENIED THE FATHER .
PEROID . PEROID . PEROID . PEROID .
AND again PEROID .
I stand on JESUS ALONE as the ONLY HOPE and that if one believes they shall be saved , but if they dont they will be damned .
JESUS SAID IT FIRST OF COURSE . SO ITS WHY I STAND ON IT . TAKE THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL , STAND ON IT , NEVER BUDGE .
I say again NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER , NEVER BUDGE .
AND If our jesus contradicts the biblical one or the GOD of the bible , WELL ITS SATAN , NOT JESUS . I STAND ON THAT AS WELL .
 
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well, you say grammar and construct matters, right, but Jesus only Quoted the indefinite "son of man," at least as near as i can tell?


Look again . Most times Jesus added teh definite article "the" which makes it a particulr individual. &3 times in th egospels Jesus is referring to Himself by using the definite article.

Also we see the Son of Man in heaven as well.
 

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There are many saviors. Both Jehovah and Jesus is referred to as such. All sinless beings are the same throughout their history, such could be said about all the faithful angels. Since Jesus was both a spirit being and a human as well, then that verse you quoted is obviously not stated for that reason, rather it means something else sir.

only one savior

Lk 2:10-11
 
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Look again . Most times Jesus added teh definite article "the" which makes it a particulr individual. &3 times in th egospels Jesus is referring to Himself by using the definite article.

Also we see the Son of Man in heaven as well.
so, being as how Ezekiel is also referred to as "son of man" i would say that it's at least advisable to keep a what is it? kind of stance there
 
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Hmm... Explanation vs. Scriptures...
Scripture at times requires explanation because some are want to squeeze things into it that are not really there....you know, like the trinity....immortality of the soul.....and hellfire.....:rolleyes:
 
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Is it called the Wrath of Jesus, or the Wrath of God? Then why do we see Jesus delivering this Wrath?

THREE wraths during the Tribulation;

Wrath of the Lamb...during the seals.
The Devils Wrath.....during the trumps.
Wrath of God...........during the vials.

.Each Wrath, IS upon inhabitants of the Earth Who, do not Believe (stand Against), the one delivering the Wrath.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are ONE."

Amen!
 

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Review the Seals again -
Make an adjustment here according to Scripture - only the sixth Seal has the wrath from the Lamb/God.

Peace
 

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Still waiting for you to tell me what Genesis is all about.....? The anticipation is killing me....:D

Start in chapter 1 where we the very first clue to the Godhead begins. Write down and memorize that Scripture when you find it.
Pray it back to the Lord. Love it with your whole heart, mind soul and strength.
There is a great reward waiting for you as you seek God with all your heart.
 

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Oh good grief :rolleyes:......go back and read the full explanation I gave you....the scriptures you gave me do not counter what I shared in post #335.
“The Israel of God” are not just Jews, but the elect among Christians. (Galatians 6:16)

Even Jesus said that the Kingdom was to be taken from the Jews and given to those who could obey their God.

You are a bit like a broken record......
Paul specifically says God has not cast out national Israel, and Romans 11 is about national Israel, not so called spiritual Israel - and it’s not spiritual Israel living in Jerusalem when Jesus returns to earth with the saints and lands on mount Olive in Zechariah 14:5, then destroys the armies attacking that city, and king David’s throne that Jesus will rule from in His kingdom for all eternity , is not spiritual Israel either.

In Zechariah 14:5 Jesus returns to Mount Olive with all the saints with Him - where He then remains, and the nations such as Egypt come into the gates of Jerusalem to worship Jesus, Zechariah14:16-19, who will be literally and bodily sitting on the throne of David, forever, as prophesied by the old and New Testament:


Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:


Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.


Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall beno end, upon the THRONE of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


1Ki 2:45 And king Solomon shall beblessed, and the THRONE of David shall be established before the LORD for ever.


Jeremiah 23:5-6 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, that I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; a King shall reign and prosper, and execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In His days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell safely; now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS”


Gentiles are included by faith, in the eternal kingdom to come of the Jewish Messiah Jesus, as He reigns and rules from Jerusalem, on the throne of King David.
 

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Like trinitarians.

You have no evidence of such as you say about "trinitarians".

The Evidence comes from Scripture - Scripture cannot lie.

In Gensesis ch 2 The WORD said "Let Us make man in Our Image according to Our Likeness"

THREE Eternal Persons are involved in the Creation of Man.(Exodus 3:15-16)
THREE times the creation of man is spoken in ONE Command/Sentence.
Genesis 9:6 says "God made man in His own Image"
Therefore all THREE Persons are God who made Man in Genesis 2.
 
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Okay maybe i should have said never three times . But never ever budge from the one true gospel .
Okay maybe four times . We all gonna stand before GOD on the day of judgment . ME , I am clinging to the one true gospel as my defense
anything else wont be saving squat .
 

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You have no evidence of such as you say about "trinitarians".

The Evidence comes from Scripture - Scripture cannot lie.
I'm really glad you said that......because that is correct.
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In Gensesis ch 2 The WORD said "Let Us make man in Our Image according to Our Likeness"
Actually it was Genesis 1:26....and it was God who said.....
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But to whom was God speaking?
According to Paul....at Colossians 1:15-17....concerning Jesus....he said....
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation: 16 for by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or rulers, or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." (NASB)

See also Revelation 3:14 where Jesus is called "the beginning of the creation by God".

So here Paul is describing Jesus as "the image" of his Father, or IOW he is a reflection of his Father, just as the moon is a reflection of the sun....like a photograph is an image of someone but is not that someone....it is what someone looks like.

It goes on to say that he was "the firstborn of all creation"....but unless there are other children, the term "firstborn" has no meaning. The pre-human Jesus was the firstborn of many sons, but only this son was "begotten" as the first and only direct creation of his Father.....all other things (including the other sons of God) were created "through" this firstborn. This is talking about agency.

So because "all things were created through him and for him"....how can Jesus be God the Creator?

Proverbs helps us out here....
As wisdom personified, the pre-human Jesus is described this way.....
"The Lord created me at the beginning of His way,
Before His works of old.
23 From eternity I was established,
From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth.
24 When there were no ocean depths, I was born,
When there were no springs abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills, I was born;
26 While He had not yet made the earth and the fields,
Nor the first dust of the world.
27 When He established the heavens, I was there. . . . .
Then I was beside Him, as a master workman;
And I was His delight daily,
Rejoicing always before Him,
31 Rejoicing in the world, His earth,
And having my delight in the sons of mankind."
(Proverbs 8:22-27, 30,31 NASB)

So as a "Master Workman", "the beginning of God's way", Jesus worked with his Father in creation. He existed before any other thing.
So he is the "us" and the "our" in Genesis 1:26....but he is not God, nor is he the Creator.

You will notice in the Hebrew that Genesis 1:1 states that God "created" the heavens and the earth"?
But in Verse 26 he says, let us "make" man in our image....these two different Hebrew words tell us something that is not obvious in English.

The word "create" is "bārā'" which means "to create, shape, form". To create something means that it did not exist before.

The word "make" is "ʿāśâ" which means "to do, fashion, accomplish, make"...this is the fabricating or fashioning of things out of already existing materials. God was working with his firstborn son in creation. Not as God, and not as a Creator, but as a 'workman' following an architects blueprints.

So its not looking too good for your triune god in Genesis at this point. If you want to examine scripture...you must do it thoroughly.

THREE Eternal Persons are involved in the Creation of Man.(Exodus 3:15-16)
Nope.....not even close. There is no mention of a triune God in all of the Hebrew scriptures. There is none in the Christian scriptures either.

Exodus 3:13-16..... from the Jewish Tanakh....
"13 And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?"
14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"
15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord [יְהֹוָ֞ה] God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.
16 Go and assemble the elders of Israel, and say to them, 'The Lord [יְהֹוָ֞ה] God of your forefathers has appeared to me, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying, "I have surely remembered you and what is being done to you in Egypt."


So where are these three.....? There is just one God and his name is Yahweh [יְהֹוָ֞ה]...Jehovah. Jesus is never once called Yahweh.

THREE times the creation of man is spoken in ONE Command/Sentence.
Genesis 9:6 says "God made man in His own Image"
Therefore all THREE Persons are God who made Man in Genesis 2.
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LOL...really? That is a really nice twisting of scripture, and you might just get away with it if you didn't know what the rest of the Bible teaches.....it is one story, about one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) who became the God of Israel.....he was never a trinity...not then...not now.
His son is a creation of his Father and God's Spirit is the administration of his power....used throughout creation and in all of the history of God's people. But never once is God's spirit called "God"...or in fact any other name.

So over to you.....
 

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You have no evidence of such as you say about "trinitarians".

The Evidence comes from Scripture - Scripture cannot lie.

In Gensesis ch 2 The WORD said "Let Us make man in Our Image according to Our Likeness"

THREE Eternal Persons are involved in the Creation of Man.(Exodus 3:15-16)
THREE times the creation of man is spoken in ONE Command/Sentence.
Genesis 9:6 says "God made man in His own Image"
Therefore all THREE Persons are God who made Man in Genesis 2.
AMEN.
God bless the poor in spirit who are not too wise and holy and intelligent for PLAINLY WRITTEN DIVINE TRUTH-- who are not like those who don't BELIEVE THE BIBLE unless they, teach it.
 
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Paul specifically says God has not cast out national Israel, and Romans 11 is about national Israel, not so called spiritual Israel - and it’s not spiritual Israel living in Jerusalem when Jesus returns to earth with the saints and lands on mount Olive in Zechariah 14:5, then destroys the armies attacking that city, and king David’s throne that Jesus will rule from in His kingdom for all eternity , is not spiritual Israel either.

In Zechariah 14:5 Jesus returns to Mount Olive with all the saints with Him - where He then remains, and the nations such as Egypt come into the gates of Jerusalem to worship Jesus, Zechariah14:16-19, who will be literally and bodily sitting on the throne of David, forever, as prophesied by the old and New Testament:


Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:


Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.


Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall beno end, upon the THRONE of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


1Ki 2:45 And king Solomon shall beblessed, and the THRONE of David shall be established before the LORD for ever.


Jeremiah 23:5-6 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, that I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; a King shall reign and prosper, and execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In His days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell safely; now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS”


Gentiles are included by faith, in the eternal kingdom to come of the Jewish Messiah Jesus, as He reigns and rules from Jerusalem, on the throne of King David.
I don't think Romans 11 says what you think it says.
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And as for the rest.....starting with the Mount of Olives......really badly interpreted.