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From the New World Translation Of The Holy Scriptures by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses):

Isaiah 9:6
A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

(Jehovah's Witnesses identify as Christian and should be respected as such, according to Forum rules and Christ Himself.)

Mark 9:38 || John said to Him, "Teacher, we saw someone else driving out demons in Your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not accompany us."
Mark 9:39 || "Do not stop him," Jesus replied. "For no one who performs a miracle in My name can turn around and speak evil of Me.
Mark 9:40 || For whoever is not against us is for us.
 
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From the New World Translation Of The Holy Scriptures by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses):

Isaiah 9:6
A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

(Jehovah's Witnesses identify as Christian and should be respected as such, according to Forum rules and Christ Himself.)

Mark 9:38 || John said to Him, "Teacher, we saw someone else driving out demons in Your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not accompany us."
Mark 9:39 || "Do not stop him," Jesus replied. "For no one who performs a miracle in My name can turn around and speak evil of Me.
Mark 9:40 || For whoever is not against us is for us.

They may identify as such but they preach a false gospel by changing the gospel and they do this by presenting the Lord as "a god" which is forbidden by the God, and other such adultries they commit against the Word.

The other day on another forum there was a person who, claiming to be a Christian, said that the Second Coming of Christ had already occurred.

Beware Brethren of the subtlety of the Serpent.
 
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you liked the post, but then started yelling this...diatribe? So i guess maybe im missing your point here, sorry amigo
Dont assume my friend . I Did like the post . I just added what had to be said . Often we think we are attacked when we are not attacked .
 

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(Judges 3:9) . . .When the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, Jehovah raised up a savior to rescue the Israelites, Othʹni·el the son of Keʹnaz, the younger brother of Caʹleb. . .
There are channels one has to go through for salvation today as well. Jesus assigned a faithful slave to shepherd his people until his return Mat 24:45-47. We are living in the last days, so if that slave exists and Jesus put them over his sheep, then the sheep are to obey the shepherd. Been that way ever since the law covenant was established, Faith.
Acts 4:12 || Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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so, being as how Ezekiel is also referred to as "son of man" i would say that it's at least advisable to keep a what is it? kind of stance there

Well Ezekiel is unique but He is called "son of man" while Jesus refers to Himself as "THE Son of Man" which makes it a specific unique term. When "the" is added it srt himapart. He is not the only "son of man" every male is "a" son of man" so it cannot refer to him being a human, that is incorrect grammar and Jesus would never use incorrect grammar. But because He sad "the", it means He is uniques in this title. and that is the Sonj of Man Daniel saw in vision, The Messiah, that is why the Jews referred to it as a Messianic title.
 
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But every last one of them was false .
Isn't that something each one of us has to determine for ourselves? How can we make a decision like that based on 8 words that you typed? Would you make an important decision based on a short sentence from me? I've found that most people read more about non-biblical writers than they have read what they actually wrote. Calvin wrote lots of wonderful stuff. :)
 

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far as i know none of them did . But every last one of them was false . SO dont follow them .
Even this pope dont claim to be savoir , BUT YA GOTTA KNOW HIMS IS FALSE .
Let our hope be in the biblical LORD JESUS .
There are so many false prophets and anti christs.
Only hope in the biblical Lord Jesus and keep digging into the KJV bible. Wonderful reminders brother.
 

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Are you asking me HOW do i know this POPE is false . He is an all out believer in what is called all inclusive .
What this means is , that every religoin , from muslim to buddist to atheist and all , ARE SAVED and KNOW GOD
if they hug and have love and gather together as one for world peace . What a LIE and a LIAR this pope truly is .
I WILL DIE long before i allow any other religoin to believe it follows GOD .
Not even jews are saved IF THEY DENY JESUS , SO believe ME athiest are not either , nor is any other path , any other religoin .
MAN cant save themselves my friend . FAITH IN JESUS . NOW THAT DOES and WILL SAVE a man .
 

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Isn't that something each one of us has to determine for ourselves? How can we make a decision like that based on 8 words that you typed? Would you make an important decision based on a short sentence from me? I've found that most people read more about non-biblical writers than they have read what they actually wrote. Calvin wrote lots of wonderful stuff. :)
Pointing out a false prophet is not evil . HOWEVER , since i did , YOU go and research them . YOU will find out they false as well .
You dont have to take my word for it . BUT know and understand this one thing , MY LOVE for the people has me to warn the people .
AND if i KNOW one is false , ITS GETS EXPOSED and i tell folks STAY AWAY from such a thing .
 

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I like your signature, Aunty. It's very informative. It says that what you post is your opinion only, and yet you state everything so matter-of-factly. Very interesting. :)
Stating an opinion with conviction indicates that my faith cannot easily be swayed. If your faith is solidly based on God’s word, how can you not have conviction?

James 1:5-8.....
“If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking. But when you ask him, be sure that your faith is in God alone. Do not waver, for a person with divided loyalty is as unsettled as a wave of the sea that is blown and tossed by the wind. Such people should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. Their loyalty is divided between God and the world, and they are unstable in everything they do.(NLT)
 
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Aunty Jane

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i think she wants to be a Apostlet.
Or just simply being a disciple of Christ and putting the truth out there to see who responds and in what way....? (Matthew 10:11-14)

The Bible is a treasure chest of knowledge......if you know what it says, you can actually become an instructor as well as a student, imparting it’s wonderful truths to others. No instructor worth their salt, says “I think” about their subject, but like Jesus himself said, “it is written” when confronted with opposers. So it helps to know “what is written”.....but I keep getting the impression that those who follow Christendom’s teachings know their ‘theology’...but not their ‘Bible’.....that’s a pity. IMO. :(
 
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Or just simply being a disciple of Christ and putting the truth out there to see who responds and in what way....? (Matthew 10:11-14)

The Bible is a treasure chest of knowledge......if you know what it says, you can actually become an instructor as well as a student, imparting it’s wonderful truths to others. No instructor worth their salt, says “I think” about their subject, but like Jesus himself said, “it is written” when confronted with opposers. So it helps to know “what is written”.....but I keep getting the impression that those who follow Christendom’s teachings know their ‘theology’...but not their ‘Bible’.....that’s a pity. IMO. :(

Disciples of Christ = EXCELLENT = so am i. But you are not imparting truth - you are arguing against it.
 

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Let's throw it out there and see what happens:

The most well known KJV corruption by trinitarian doctrine. Most new translations identify the 3 properly - and against trinitarian doctrine.

So there are three testifying witnesses: 8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood. All three are in total agreement.
 

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Sure I do - it is Scripture. The trinity is not in Scripture - not the word and not the doctrine.

The Lord has not, and will not permit you to see it unless you submit your heart and soul unto Him.

Thus says the Lord:
“Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
Where is the house that you will build Me?
And where is the place of My rest?
For all those things My hand has made,
And all those things exist,”
Says the Lord.
“But on this one will I look:
On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit, and who trembles at My word."
 

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Jesus is God incarnate.
The Logos was “with God” “in the beginning”. It was the Logos who became flesh, not God. There are so many reasons why Jesus cannot be Almighty God, it’s hard to know where to start....

Jesus was sent as our redeemer, correct?
What is a redeemer? And how did Jesus get the job?

A redeemer in Israel was one who paid a set price to get someone out of debt. In our case, the price was too high and no human born of Adam had the means to pay it. (All were sinners) So God provided the means....the perfect life of his firstborn son. So how does Jesus becoming a human get us out of this debt that Adam created for us by his disobedience?

Jesus had to become Adam’s equal.....a sinless man, to offer his sinless life for the life that Adam took away from us. (1 Corinthians 15:45) In order to become a human, meant taking on mortal flesh. Only a mortal being could do that, because an immortal cannot die. So if Jesus was God, then mere humans can kill God.....and that is not possible if he was truly a God/man. He had to be 100% human to die and pay for our redemption. The price was set, and all that was required was that the redeemer had to be sinless.....not that he had to be God. That would have been an overpayment of ridiculous proportions.
If Jesus was God that would be the equivalent of a kidnapper demanding a ransom of $50,000 and then being payed $50,000 quadrillion instead. Like using 50,000 cans of bug spray to kill one mosquito.

I honestly cannot fathom why Christendom insists that Jesus had to be God in order to redeem mankind. It is a blasphemous doctrine that breaks the First Commandment. (Exodus 20:3)

Who did Jesus say was “the only true God”?
“And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.(John 17:3 NLT) He did not include himself there.

Who did the apostles recognise as their God?
1 Corinthians 8:5-6...
“There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords. But for us, There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live.” (NLT)

Two separate individuals....and no third person is mentioned in either of those scriptures.
Jesus never once said that he was God incarnate.

The logos was part of God and was God until stripping down all of the former glory being born into a body. When Jesus reunited with His Father Jesus becomes the Lord God Almighty. Jesus was also named immanuel which means God with us or then at that time. And when you have Been given the spirit of Christ in your heart God is with you too.
Jesus did indeed consent to the stripping down of his glorious spirit body to become a human “Son of God”, like Adam was when he was first created. (Luke 3:38) But he was God’s only begotten Son from his creation. (Revelation 3:14) He completed his mission successfully and returned to his God and Father in heaven.....but reading Revelation, written long after Jesus’ ascension to heaven, how is it possible that he still calls his Father “my God”?

Revelation 3:12...
“All who are victorious will become pillars in the Temple of my God, and they will never have to leave it. And I will write on them the name of my God, and they will be citizens in the city of my God—the new Jerusalem that comes down from heaven from my God. And I will also write on them my new name.” (NLT)

Jesus has a God even in heaven....does one part of God worship his equal self?
I’ll leave you to think about that.....

Take it for what it worth, I could be wrong also.
I hope you too will take what the Bible says...for what it’s worth....
Thank you for your kind manner.....discussion is so much nicer than argument....
 
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