I have a question that remains unanswered:

[David in NJ]

He actually put it in his Word.

wrangler, the very Scripture you have on each of your posts of the Shema = 'Hear oh Israel the Lord Elohim is Echad"
declare the THREE of Genesis and Exodus 3:14-15

You cannot see it and will never see it unless you love the Lord Jesus Christ with all your heart, mind soul and strength.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus has a God even in heaven....does one part of God worship his equal self?
I’ll leave you to think about that.....

Beautiful analysis. I look forward to their thoughtful reply.

 

[Wrangler]

You cannot see it

I cannot see it because it is not there! The trinity is not in the Bible. That you misquote the monotheist, most important Commandment Sh’ma, shows the extent of you twisting God’s Word.

 

[Aunty Jane]

i was born and raised as a Roman Catholic. I full well know about this Harlot and her idolatrous ways.

I could see that “Babylon the great” was much bigger than the Catholic church....it encompasses all religions who can trace their beliefs back to original Babylon. It was the springboard for all false worship, taken to every corner of the world by those who followed Nimrod into rebellion after the flood.
This is why they have a common thread running through all of them....

But then i was Born-Again by the Word of Truth and the Holy Spirit, where i now and forever stand.

I wasn’t prepared to jump out of the frying pan into an all familiar fire.....the truth was not going to resemble the teachings of the RCC in any way....any more than the “wheat” was going to resemble the “weeds” in Jesus’ parable, come the harvest time. They started off looking similar, but the closer we came to his return, the more pronounced the differences got.

I have a completely different view about what it means to be “born again” and I can say with certainty that I am not one so chosen. My destiny is not heaven, but right here on this earth where the Creator put us in the first place. We were never meant for heaven....God already had a spiritual family there.
He created the earth for habitation by all manner of living things, including us, whom he assigned as caretakers, giving us his qualities and attributes so as to carry out our assignment as God himself would. But rebellion took place as the human race was hijacked by a disgruntled spirit creature who wanted worship for himself....all he had to do was separate the humans from God, and he had them...instant worshippers.

Those who are “born again” often feel as if it’s an emotional experience in the flesh, whereas I see it as a transformation upon being taken to heaven for those of the “elect” (chosen ones) who were chosen for a specific role...to be “kings and priests” with Jesus in the heavenly kingdom. (Revelation 20:6)
As kings need subjects, and priests need sinners for whom to perform their duties, these cannot exist in heaven. Their subjects are earthly.

The outcome for man on earth is revealed in Revelation 21:2-4.....
"I also saw the Holy City, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.

3 Then I heard a loud voice from the throne:

Look! God’s dwelling is with humanity,
and He will live with them.
They will be His people,
and God Himself will be with them
and be their God.
4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes.
Death will no longer exist;
grief, crying, and pain will exist no longer,
because the previous things have passed away." (HCSB)

This is what I look forward to....happy to be where God placed us...happy to see the earth cleansed of all wickedness and this scripture to become our reality. I have no anointing, I am not a "born again" Christian and I am happy and contented to stay right here.

i am not against you. God has more truth for you to see in His Word.

Nor am I against anyone personally....but I am against what Jesus was against...those who substitute man-made doctrines for the word of God.
It is the ones who teach these falsehoods and mislead others, that I am compelled to expose.

We will all answer to the same judge, so we must pray for God's spirit to guide us.....remembering that if we are happily deluded, he will not correct us.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Why quote something if you're not going to address it?

What would you like me to address?

 

[David in NJ]

I cannot see it because it is not there! The trinity is not in the Bible. That you misquote the monotheist, most important Commandment Sh’ma, shows the extent of you twisting God’s Word.

Let US make man in OUR IMAGE according to OUR LIKENESS - Genesis

i SEE very well

 

[David in NJ]

I could see that “Babylon the great” was much bigger than the Catholic church....it encompasses all religions who can trace their beliefs back to original Babylon. It was the springboard for all false worship, taken to every corner of the world by those who followed Nimrod into rebellion after the flood.
This is why they have a common thread running through all of them....


I wasn’t prepared to jump out of the frying pan into an all familiar fire.....the truth was not going to resemble the teachings of the RCC in any way....any more than the “wheat” was going to resemble the “weeds” in Jesus’ parable, come the harvest time. They started off looking similar, but the closer we came to his return, the more pronounced the differences got.

I have a completely different view about what it means to be “born again” and I can say with certainty that I am not one so chosen. My destiny is not heaven, but right here on this earth where the Creator put us in the first place. We were never meant for heaven....God already had a spiritual family there.
He created the earth for habitation by all manner of living things, including us, whom he assigned as caretakers, giving us his qualities and attributes so as to carry out our assignment as God himself would. But rebellion took place as the human race was hijacked by a disgruntled spirit creature who wanted worship for himself....all he had to do was separate the humans from God, and he had them...instant worshippers.

Those who are “born again” often feel as if it’s an emotional experience in the flesh, whereas I see it as a transformation upon being taken to heaven for those of the “elect” (chosen ones) who were chosen for a specific role...to be “kings and priests” with Jesus in the heavenly kingdom. (Revelation 20:6)
As kings need subjects, and priests need sinners for whom to perform their duties, these cannot exist in heaven. Their subjects are earthly.

The outcome for man on earth is revealed in Revelation 21:2-4.....
"I also saw the Holy City, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.

3 Then I heard a loud voice from the throne:

Look! God’s dwelling is with humanity,
and He will live with them.
They will be His people,
and God Himself will be with them
and be their God.
4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes.
Death will no longer exist;
grief, crying, and pain will exist no longer,
because the previous things have passed away." (HCSB)

This is what I look forward to....happy to be where God placed us...happy to see the earth cleansed of all wickedness and this scripture to become our reality. I have no anointing, I am not a "born again" Christian and I am happy and contented to stay right here.


Nor am I against anyone personally....but I am against what Jesus was against...those who substitute man-made doctrines for the word of God.
It is the ones who teach these falsehoods and mislead others, that I am compelled to expose.

We will all answer to the same judge, so we must pray for God's spirit to guide us.....remembering that if we are happily deluded, he will not correct us.

i encourage you seek the Lord Jesus Christ with all your heart, mind, soul and strength so that you may be Born Again by the Spirit of God.

John ch1
The Word/JESUS was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John ch3
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

 

[Aunty Jane]

Taking it personally? Hurt feelings? You flatter yourself. You don't even know what I believe. We all know why you're here and who sent you. Insult your own intelligence all you like.

I think you took that personally when it was not my intention to insult your intelligence or mine....
You accused me of name calling...so I said....
"LOL...name calling? Well, not really, but again just telling it like it is....Jesus is the one we are to imitate.....remember? These are his teachings.

Taking it personally with all the hurt feelings? Some will no doubt I guess".....then I referred to the Pharisees.
If you want to include yourself in the "some"......that's up to you.

Why don't we get down to brass tacks?

What must I do to be saved?

Acts 16:16-30 is the background to that question, so lets see what Paul and Silas answered that jailer...
“Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will get saved.”

Why is it necessary to "believe on the Lord Jesus to get saved?" What does that even mean in the context of James 2:19?
"You believe that God is one; you do well. The demons also believe—and they shudder."

So first of all we need to understand what it means to "believe".

Strongs puts it this way...the word "believe" is translated from....
"πιστεύω pisteúō, pist-yoo'-o; from G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ):—believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with."

So how does that contrast with what James said about the demons?

In my understanding, it was illustrated to me that you can "have" a dog, but if you "exercise" the dog, that means something else.
We can "have" faith and "believe" but if we "exercise faith" it means that it becomes active rather than passive.
IOW...we need to take our faith for a walk....

Jesus' faith was active, never passive. His example and his teachings should form the basis for all we believe and that includes accepting his ransom sacrifice and telling others about how to exercise faith in God and his Christ as well.

That is why we are told “there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved”. His is the only name by which we can come to God.
Jesus said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless it is granted to him by the Father.” (John 6:65)

So what do you make of that?

Back later....

 

[Aunty Jane]

the Shema = 'Hear oh Israel the Lord Elohim is Echad"
declare the THREE of Genesis and Exodus 3:14-15

The Shema from the Jewish Tanakh reads....
"Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God; the Lord is one. דשְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהֹוָ֥ה | אֶחָֽד:"
In Hebrew, you can see clearly who the one God of Israel is.... יְהֹוָ֥ה ....Yahweh...Jehovah, mentioned twice in that declaration.
There is no three....just one God of Israel.

Exodus 3:14-15.... (Tanakh)
"14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:

15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:
"The Lord God" is יְהֹוָ֞ה Yahweh, not known by any other name.

"Let them know that You-Your name alone is the Lord, Most High over all the earth. יטוְיֵֽדְע֗וּ כִּי־אַתָּ֬ה שִׁמְךָ֣ יְהֹוָ֣ה לְבַדֶּ֑ךָ עֶ֜לְי֗וֹן עַל־כָּל־הָאָֽרֶץ: (Psalm 83:18 KJV)
You can see that even though the Jews refrained from uttering the divine name...it is there in their scripture.....Yahweh......who is not and never was Jesus.

Your translation does not hold water if you are suggesting some kind of threesome here.... יְהֹוָ֣ה is "Most High"....meaning no one higher....no one equal.

You cannot see it and will never see it unless you love the Lord Jesus Christ with all your heart, mind soul and strength.

We could actually say the same to you....Do you really love Jesus or just your own doctrines? Would you love him less if you found out that Jesus never taught what you believe? If he is not God, would you still love him the same way?

i encourage you seek the Lord Jesus Christ with all your heart, mind, soul and strength so that you may be Born Again by the Spirit of God.

I have already told you that I am not "born again" and have no such anointing from God. My natural inclination is to enjoy life in "paradise" with all the people I love, many of whom have already died. I have the hope of the resurrection.....not that these ones are already in heaven, but that they are 'sleeping', unaware of how much time has elapsed. Such is the peace of death. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10) They will be returned to their loved ones in the general resurrection of the dead, after Jesus has established his Kingdom over the earth. (John 5:28-29) In all the resurrections mentioned in the Bible, this was the case.
Read John 11:11-14 and see where Jesus said Lazarus was....?

Paul tells us that the resurrection of the "elect" (chosen ones) would not begin until Christ's return.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.....
"We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, concerning those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who have no hope. 14 Since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, in the same way God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by a revelation from the Lord: We who are still alive at the Lord’s coming will certainly have no advantage over those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel’s voice, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are still alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words."

In Revelation 20:6, it is stated that those chosen for specific roles in the Kingdom will experience "the first resurrection"....so you see that this is confirmed by Paul in 1 Thess 4:13-18. Their resurrection takes place during "the time of the end", so that when it comes time for the judgment, Jesus will bring his resurrected "brothers" with him....and those who are still on earth, will then be transformed instantly to spirit life in heaven.

But I want to draw attention to a word in that scripture, that when mistranslated will cause confusion as to the timing of these events....that word is "coming".
In actual fact the word is "parousia" which does not mean "coming" but "presence". So if you entered a room and were waiting for someone who was "coming" and somebody told you that they were already "present", what would you assume? That they had already arrived without your knowledge...right?

When Jesus gave the sign of his "presence" in Matthew 24:3, again we see in most Bibles, the word "coming" is used instead of "presence". Why is this significant? Because Jesus "presence" as King was not something the world could see or discern except by the "signs" that he gave to his apostles to indicate that he had arrived. (Matthew 24:3-14) His coronation in heaven was unseen to human eyes, but Daniel was inspired to write about a vision that God gave him over 2,000 years before it took place. (Daniel 7:13-14)

Jesus' "coming" as judge, therefore is a completely different event....one where "every eye will see" and know that he has come as Judge of all mankind. The time period between his arrival and his judgment was when all those features of the sign he gave, would become clearly discernible....as they are now.

Only when Jesus has cleansed the earth of all wickedness, eliminating all the "goats" will the Kingdom rule be extended to all mankind. Now it rules in the hearts of Jesus disciples...but then all will come to love and serve his God and Father.....a thousand years of peace will be a welcome change for all humanity. (Revelation 21:2-4)

John ch1
The Word/JESUS was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John ch3
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

All of Jesus' first faithful apostles and disciples were 'anointed' (elected, chosen) ones.....the Christian Scriptures were written about them, by them, and for them.
It doesn't mean that all Christians go to heaven....only those whom God chooses.

Those not chosen for this role are not one bit envious, but happy to have those of God's choosing to rule over them. They could not be in better hands.

So that is how I see the whole arrangement.....you may see it differently.

 

[Taken]

Many people teach that Jesus is God, fact is he either is or isn't.

... so how does one who believes Jesus is God, explain this?

* There IS a Method to APPLY FOR Teaching AND Learning.
* The Method is Taught IN Scripture.
* The Method is Taught Secularly.
* Little by little, bit by bit, line upon line.

Isa. 28
[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Trying to Explain, to one, WHOSE little bit, is NOT increased...
IS Trying to give "meaning" and "understanding", to one NOT YET "prepared" to "receive", meaning and understanding.

A "SUMMARY", is "suitable" to be revealed...
AFTER, due diligence, of one hearing, learning, increasing in knowledge bit by bit.

The Explaination is summed up IN Revelations.... AFTER, thousands of
"PRE-SEEDING" words have been Taught, Heard, Learned, Increased bit by bit.

Rev 4
[8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Rev.11
[17] Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

POINT BEING...
Consider, WHO is: "Wondering, Asking...
Consider, WHO is: "Challenging, Denying"...
Consider, THE "depth" OF THEIR, "bit by bit" knowledge.

*Wondering, Asking...is natural curiousity, but obvious, they are not YET, "prepared" for the explanation or understanding.
(Impatience...hears the beginning of a story, sees the beginning of a movie...and never hears the middle, or sees the middle, and wants someone to tell them the ending)
* Challenging, Denying...is moreso related to trickery.
(Impatience of one who has heard here and there, bits and pieces, in order, out of order, rejected, and demands another GIVE them an explanation, an understanding, that IS satisfactory PROOF, "to them"...that what "YOU" believe...and "WHY" you believe it...
"IS APPROVED", "by THEM".
THAT ^ IS intended "trickery"...
THAT IS an IMPLICATION, "THEY MUST APPROVE", your beliefs, BEFORE your Believes "ARE VALID".!!!
....Ofcourse, that IS FALSE.
One Believing BY, OF and IN, the Lord God Almighty...IS VALIDATED...BY, OF and IN the Lord God Almighty Himself..."not by, of, in, other men".

IS Jesus God? Yes.
Am I required to hear, learn, read, study, understand....FOR AN OTHER that THEY come to the SAME conclusion? No.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

Let US make man in OUR IMAGE according to OUR LIKENESS - Genesis

i SEE very well

Not the trinity doctrine one little bit.

The most bizarre aspect of trinitarianism is how the doctrine is ranked as the most important aspect of faith despite being completely absent from the Word of God.

 

[David in NJ]

The Shema from the Jewish Tanakh reads....
"Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God; the Lord is one. דשְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהֹוָ֥ה | אֶחָֽד:"
In Hebrew, you can see clearly who the one God of Israel is.... יְהֹוָ֥ה ....Yahweh...Jehovah, mentioned twice in that declaration.
There is no three....just one God of Israel.

Exodus 3:14-15.... (Tanakh)
"14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:

15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:
"The Lord God" is יְהֹוָ֞ה Yahweh, not known by any other name.

"Let them know that You-Your name alone is the Lord, Most High over all the earth. יטוְיֵֽדְע֗וּ כִּי־אַתָּ֬ה שִׁמְךָ֣ יְהֹוָ֣ה לְבַדֶּ֑ךָ עֶ֜לְי֗וֹן עַל־כָּל־הָאָֽרֶץ: (Psalm 83:18 KJV)
You can see that even though the Jews refrained from uttering the divine name...it is there in their scripture.....Yahweh......who is not and never was Jesus.

Your translation does not hold water if you are suggesting some kind of threesome here.... יְהֹוָ֣ה is "Most High"....meaning no one higher....no one equal.


We could actually say the same to you....Do you really love Jesus or just your own doctrines? Would you love him less if you found out that Jesus never taught what you believe? If he is not God, would you still love him the same way?


I have already told you that I am not "born again" and have no such anointing from God. My natural inclination is to enjoy life in "paradise" with all the people I love, many of whom have already died. I have the hope of the resurrection.....not that these ones are already in heaven, but that they are 'sleeping', unaware of how much time has elapsed. Such is the peace of death. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10) They will be returned to their loved ones in the general resurrection of the dead, after Jesus has established his Kingdom over the earth. (John 5:28-29) In all the resurrections mentioned in the Bible, this was the case.
Read John 11:11-14 and see where Jesus said Lazarus was....?

Paul tells us that the resurrection of the "elect" (chosen ones) would not begin until Christ's return.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.....
"We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, concerning those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who have no hope. 14 Since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, in the same way God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by a revelation from the Lord: We who are still alive at the Lord’s coming will certainly have no advantage over those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel’s voice, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are still alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words."

In Revelation 20:6, it is stated that those chosen for specific roles in the Kingdom will experience "the first resurrection"....so you see that this is confirmed by Paul in 1 Thess 4:13-18. Their resurrection takes place during "the time of the end", so that when it comes time for the judgment, Jesus will bring his resurrected "brothers" with him....and those who are still on earth, will then be transformed instantly to spirit life in heaven.

But I want to draw attention to a word in that scripture, that when mistranslated will cause confusion as to the timing of these events....that word is "coming".
In actual fact the word is "parousia" which does not mean "coming" but "presence". So if you entered a room and were waiting for someone who was "coming" and somebody told you that they were already "present", what would you assume? That they had already arrived without your knowledge...right?

When Jesus gave the sign of his "presence" in Matthew 24:3, again we see in most Bibles, the word "coming" is used instead of "presence". Why is this significant? Because Jesus "presence" as King was not something the world could see or discern except by the "signs" that he gave to his apostles to indicate that he had arrived. (Matthew 24:3-14) His coronation in heaven was unseen to human eyes, but Daniel was inspired to write about a vision that God gave him over 2,000 years before it took place. (Daniel 7:13-14)

Jesus' "coming" as judge, therefore is a completely different event....one where "every eye will see" and know that he has come as Judge of all mankind. The time period between his arrival and his judgment was when all those features of the sign he gave, would become clearly discernible....as they are now.

Only when Jesus has cleansed the earth of all wickedness, eliminating all the "goats" will the Kingdom rule be extended to all mankind. Now it rules in the hearts of Jesus disciples...but then all will come to love and serve his God and Father.....a thousand years of peace will be a welcome change for all humanity. (Revelation 21:2-4)


All of Jesus' first faithful apostles and disciples were 'anointed' (elected, chosen) ones.....the Christian Scriptures were written about them, by them, and for them.
It doesn't mean that all Christians go to heaven....only those whom God chooses.

Those not chosen for this role are not one bit envious, but happy to have those of God's choosing to rule over them. They could not be in better hands.

So that is how I see the whole arrangement.....you may see it differently.

Once God established His Truth in Genesis and Exodus he does not have to recite/repeat it every single time -

The Shema: declares what God said: Let US make man in OUR IMAGE according to OUR Likeness.

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The LORD God of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’

THREE Persons of Elohim established by the WORD in Genesis and confirmed as HIS NAME FOREVER in Exodus.

i told you before, posting a lengthy list of Scripture does not prove anything - OBEYING the WORD is what God commands.

You fail to see what God said His Name is FOREVER in Genesis and Exodus - therefore your attempts will fail as you do not understand the very Scripture you post.

You are making the same mistake of the scholarly Jews who studied the scriptures their entire lives - only to be blinded by their trust in them instead of what God said to them.

 

[BarneyFife]

The most bizarre aspect of trinitarianism is how the doctrine is ranked as the most important aspect of faith

Isn't this a bit of an exaggeration, my friend?

 

[David in NJ]

Not the trinity doctrine one little bit.

The most bizarre aspect of trinitarianism is how the doctrine is ranked as the most important aspect of faith despite being completely absent from the Word of God.

Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The LORD God of your fathers,
the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’

God says this to you - you do not believe His Word - you cannot see - hardness of heart causes spiritual blindness.

 

[BarneyFife]

If you want to include yourself in the "some"......that's up to you.

There were no "some" to include myself in when I replied to your name-calling. If you're going to be crafty, you should try to keep track of the postings and their order. Unfortunately, I "include" myself in what you call "Christendom."

Acts 16:16-30 is the background to that question, so lets see what Paul and Silas answered that jailer...
“Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will get saved.”

Why is it necessary to "believe on the Lord Jesus to get saved?" What does that even mean in the context of James 2:19?
"You believe that God is one; you do well. The demons also believe—and they shudder."

So first of all we need to understand what it means to "believe".

Strongs puts it this way...the word "believe" is translated from....
"πιστεύω pisteúō, pist-yoo'-o; from G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ):—believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with."

So how does that contrast with what James said about the demons?

In my understanding, it was illustrated to me that you can "have" a dog, but if you "exercise" the dog, that means something else.
We can "have" faith and "believe" but if we "exercise faith" it means that it becomes active rather than passive.
IOW...we need to take our faith for a walk....

Jesus' faith was active, never passive. His example and his teachings should form the basis for all we believe and that includes accepting his ransom sacrifice and telling others about how to exercise faith in God and his Christ as well.

That is why we are told “there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved”. His is the only name by which we can come to God.
Jesus said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless it is granted to him by the Father.” (John 6:65)

So what do you make of that?

You missed the point. I wasn't quoting a verse as much as I was asking a real question, so in your effort to answer in the context of Acts 16 your Gospel presentation fell pretty flat to my mind.

It seems to consist of a pat answer followed by a warning to be on guard, lest our faith be found to be the same as that of demons. Concise, but completely devoid of the elements of repentance, confession, regeneration, abiding in assurance, seeking Christ with all of our hearts to find rest, I could go on. I'm just not a quick-and-dirty Gospel kinda guy, myself. I think people ought to know a fair amount about what they can expect out of a life of eternity with Jesus. I wonder how you'll spin, dodge, or deflect this one.

I believe a Gospel presentation should include as many and as much of the following as is practically possible:

• God's Love for Man
• The Sinner's Need of Christ
• Repentance
• Confession
• Consecration
• Faith and Acceptance
• The Test of Discipleship
• Growing Up Into Christ
• The Work and the Life
• A Knowledge of God
• The Privilege of Prayer
• What to Do with Doubt
• Rejoicing in the Lord

What does "get saved" mean? And how does "the 'context' of James 2:19" just pop in out of nowhere? Isn't that kind of the opposite of context?

Whether you like it or not, you present yourself as an expert on what the scriptures teach, and that people who do not agree with you are on a dangerous path. Deny it all you want--a simple review of your posting history reveals the truth. It is human nature to refuse to see unfortunate traits in oneself. You're a new member here and barging in and assuming authority is no way to endear yourself to folks. If that is of no concern to you, then have at it. If you're just racking up points at the Watch Tower Society, I'm sure you're doing fine.

 

[post]

Many people teach that Jesus is God, fact is he either is or isn't. So my question is, if Jesus is God then did he lie in these verses?:
Mr 10:40But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared

Mr 13:32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

I do not believe Jesus lied, and likely you do not either, so how does one who believes Jesus is God, explain this?

Simple.
Mark 10:40 shows the Son isn't doing things like this on a whim but according to what has been predestined, and Mark 13:32 is clear Hebrew wedding ceremony language.

 

[theefaith]

(Judges 3:9) . . .When the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, Jehovah raised up a savior to rescue the Israelites, Othʹni·el the son of Keʹnaz, the younger brother of Caʹleb. . .
There are channels one has to go through for salvation today as well. Jesus assigned a faithful slave to shepherd his people until his return Mat 24:45-47. We are living in the last days, so if that slave exists and Jesus put them over his sheep, then the sheep are to obey the shepherd. Been that way ever since the law covenant was established, Faith.

a earthly deliverer like Moses but only one eternal salvation savior

 

[bbyrd009]

Dont assume my friend . I Did like the post . I just added what had to be said . Often we think we are attacked when we are not attacked .

ah ok
im guessing you are Pentecostal?
good tree to be from, imo

 

[Wrangler]

Isn't this a bit of an exaggeration, my friend?

No. Trinitarians only threaten my eternal soul with their doctrine, not disagreements over OSAS, soul sleep, etc.

Why do you consider it a bit of an exaggeration?

 

[Wrangler]

The Shema: declares what God said: Let US make man in OUR IMAGE according to OUR Likeness.

That is not the Sh’ma.

Mark 12:29
The Voice

Jesus: 29 The most important commandment is this: “Hear, O Israel, the Eternal One is our God, and the Eternal One is the only God.