The Flesh & The Spirit

[martinlawrencescott]

I agree with a lot of how you identify Christ. He has the same character and nature as God, but they serve one another in harmony. The father honors the son and the son honors the father.

[sup]15[/sup] The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. [sup]16[/sup] For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. [sup]17[/sup] He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. [sup]18[/sup] And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. [sup]19[/sup] For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, [sup]20[/sup] and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

By understanding the son we understand the father.

 

[Duckybill]

Colossians 1:16 (NKJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Colossians 1:16 (ESV)
[sup]16 [/sup]For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

 

[Alethos]

I agree with a lot of how you identify Christ. He has the same character and nature as God, but they serve one another in harmony. The father honors the son and the son honors the father.

[sup]15[/sup] The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. [sup]16[/sup] For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. [sup]17[/sup] He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. [sup]18[/sup] And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. [sup]19[/sup] For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, [sup]20[/sup] and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

By understanding the son we understand the father.

Thanks for your thoughts Martin.

You can see, can you not, how God's work was "in" Christ (and not Himself) reconciling the world to Himself. Once you make Jesus God the whole record, work and plan of redemption falls over and you no longer have a Captain who conquered the very battle we fight daily. For Jesus to conquer he needed to suffer the same flesh and blood because this is where the enemy dwelt...in the flesh.

Knowing this truth we conclude that God Himself could never dwell in something unclean...flesh could never contain God nor could he ever be subject to temptation or have an alternative way of think within Him.

"by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross".

Again the battle was fought and won on the cross... One might ask how did God make "peace" through Jesus on the cross?

Heb 2:14 Heb 4:15 2 Cor 5:21 John 3:13-15 and so.

By destroying that which had the power of death, the devil (flesh).

Alethos

 

[justaname]

You still did not reconcile
John 1 : 1
You can not explain who Satan is (if not a fallen angel) in Job, or Matthew.
You did not answer God's charge of folly against his angles (who according to you can not sin).

Instead of taking the scripture I post, head on like I do, you pose a question and answer it using your doctrine. This doctrine usually has something to do with what we are here to do in our human experience. You seem to be pushing us towards works as opposed to grace.

Let me be clear.
God created the temple, child, called Jesus through His Spirit and Mary. No other man was created in this way, not even Adam. Jesus is (was) no ordinary man, but his temple can not be denied that he is (was) a man. He hungered, suffered, bled, cried, and was tempted by Satan. Jesus in the flesh was finite, until his perfection, by his completed work on the cross. This explains all of what you impress on your reply in the subject matter of "perfect through suffering." We as humans have a perception of linear time. Jesus as a man was subject to it, thereby he was not considered perfect until the completed task set by the Father. Upon completion Jesus is set at the right hand of the Father. The greatest of all God's creation. He is our head, the head of angles, and all of creation. Behold Him in all His glory. Most all of what you post applies to this aspect of the Christ, but the Christ is deeper than just that.

As I said Jesus was created from God's Spirit. You and I also have a spirit, but we were conceived from man and woman, not Spirit and woman. Our spirit is not divine as Jesus' is. Only through Jesus are we connected to divinity. Our head is Jesus, His head is God. 1 Timothy 3 : 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Why is it you stir up controversy? What ax are you attempting to grind? You stand condemned already for you do not believe the word which is God. Matthew 12 : 37 I warn you friend the ground from which you stand is not fertile, and the seeds you plant are poison. I will not be bitten by your snakes, nor poisoned by your wine.

Jesus in Spirit is justified, infinite, God. He and the Father are one. Matthew 12 : 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Before I ask you this question let me first remind you of Matthew 12 : 31

What is Jesus' spirit?

 

[martinlawrencescott]

It's that paradox thing. I think they are three different persons in one. It kinda sounds cliche because I heard "trinity" so many times when growing up. I believe all of Christ's actions represented those of the father, everything Christ did was an act of God in the flesh. I think so many aspects of God were revealed through Christ while He was here. Because why would anyone believe before hand that God was a God who suffered until we saw it through the life of Christ? When I think of Jesus temptation and when Satan tempted Jesus to gain all the kingdoms of the earth if He only bowed to him, it was like Satan saying preemptively, "You don't have to die on the cross. I know what you came to do, but I can make it easy for you." And comparing that temptation to how many times God tempted in the old testament to wipe out Israel and the rest of man out completely. He has had every opportunity to take the easy way out, but he chose to love us and send Himself in human form. Emmanuel "God with us". And he has been with us since the beginning, but we didn't understand to what magnitude until he appeared as we do. We begin to understand how similar we were meant to be and how far apart we have become.

 

[Alethos]

It's that paradox thing. I think they are three different persons in one. It kinda sounds cliche because I heard "trinity" so many times when growing up. I believe all of Christ's actions represented those of the father, everything Christ did was an act of God in the flesh. I think so many aspects of God were revealed through Christ while He was here. Because why would anyone believe before hand that God was a God who suffered until we saw it through the life of Christ? When I think of Jesus temptation and when Satan tempted Jesus to gain all the kingdoms of the earth if He only bowed to him, it was like Satan saying preemptively, "You don't have to die on the cross. I know what you came to do, but I can make it easy for you." And comparing that temptation to how many times God tempted in the old testament to wipe out Israel and the rest of man out completely. He has had every opportunity to take the easy way out, but he chose to love us and send Himself in human form. Emmanuel "God with us". And he has been with us since the beginning, but we didn't understand to what magnitude until he appeared as we do. We begin to understand how similar we were meant to be and how far apart we have become.

Martin

You cannot reconcile the trinity when speaking of Father and Son.

God cannot be tempted with "evil" James 1:13-15
Jesus was tempted with evil in all points as you and I Heb 4:15

God was "in" Christ reconciling the world to Himself...but God was NOT Christ.

"In" is very different than being!

Alethos

You still did not reconcile
John 1 : 1
You can not explain who Satan is (if not a fallen angel) in Job, or Matthew.
You did not answer God's charge of folly against his angles (who according to you can not sin).

Instead of taking the scripture I post, head on like I do, you pose a question and answer it using your doctrine. This doctrine usually has something to do with what we are here to do in our human experience. You seem to be pushing us towards works as opposed to grace.

Let me be clear.
God created the temple, child, called Jesus through His Spirit and Mary. No other man was created in this way, not even Adam. Jesus is (was) no ordinary man, but his temple can not be denied that he is (was) a man. He hungered, suffered, bled, cried, and was tempted by Satan. Jesus in the flesh was finite, until his perfection, by his completed work on the cross. This explains all of what you impress on your reply in the subject matter of "perfect through suffering." We as humans have a perception of linear time. Jesus as a man was subject to it, thereby he was not considered perfect until the completed task set by the Father. Upon completion Jesus is set at the right hand of the Father. The greatest of all God's creation. He is our head, the head of angles, and all of creation. Behold Him in all His glory. Most all of what you post applies to this aspect of the Christ, but the Christ is deeper than just that.

As I said Jesus was created from God's Spirit. You and I also have a spirit, but we were conceived from man and woman, not Spirit and woman. Our spirit is not divine as Jesus' is. Only through Jesus are we connected to divinity. Our head is Jesus, His head is God. 1 Timothy 3 : 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Why is it you stir up controversy? What ax are you attempting to grind? You stand condemned already for you do not believe the word which is God. Matthew 12 : 37 I warn you friend the ground from which you stand is not fertile, and the seeds you plant are poison. I will not be bitten by your snakes, nor poisoned by your wine.

Jesus in Spirit is justified, infinite, God. He and the Father are one. Matthew 12 : 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Before I ask you this question let me first remind you of Matthew 12 : 31

What is Jesus' spirit?

Justaname

Wow, you have quoted two very powerful verses in John 1:1 & 1 Tim 3:16. You would appreciate these verses can be approached from varying angles and in varous ways. I have dealt with John 1:1 eslewhere in the forum, so I will try to track it down and provide a link.

If you dont mind we could look at 1 Tim 3:16.

Alethos

 

[Alethos]

[sup]1 Tim 3:16[/sup]Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

“He appeared in a body”

You will note that all modern editors reject the reading "God was manifest in the flesh" (KJV) in favour of "Who (or He) was manifest... ", with obvious reference to Christ.

Regardless, Christ was and is a manifestation (to make known) of God, properly understood. The Word (Wisdom, Purpose, Message) of God was made flesh, and dwelt among men (John 1:14; 1Jo 4:2). Christ, although the Son of God, was also "born of a woman, made under the law" (Gal 4:4) shaped in flesh (Psa 51:5; Rom 8:3; Eph 2:14) made in all points like his brethren (Heb 2:9,14). Christ in his own self bore our sins in his own body (Isa 53:4; 1Pe 2:24). In other words, he suffered from the effects of Adam's sin in his mortal nature, just as all of Adam's other descendants. "Every spirit (teacher) that professes that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God" (1 Jo 4:2).

Justaname, if you reject the above truth you are of the antichrist as you are not “looking” upon the true Son of God Num 21:9 & John 3:13-15.

However, the question you have raised in your above comments is how could a “mere” man in any way be the "Word of God"?

The Jews who heard Jesus speak asked how a mere man could speak as he did. They imagined that his words were only the utterance of a fleshly carnal mind.

But how wrong they were and in taking this position, as you rightly say they fulfilled Matt 12:31.

But Jesus warned them that this was not so; for he said, 'My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me', and John also testified that 'he whom the Deity has sent, spake the words of the Deity', as Moses predicted in Deut 18:18, concerning the Christ, saying, 'I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall be, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.' And so when the Word became flesh, the Word-Flesh recalled attention to what Moses had written and said, 'He that rejects me, and receives not my words... the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last days. For I (Jesus) have not spoken of myself; but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment what I should say, and what I should speak' John 12:47 'the words of eternal life.'

"The words, then, that came out of the mouth of Jesus, are to be received as the direct teaching of the Eternal Spirit, and to be interpreted of him"

I will soon follow with the Spirit...as you have asked.

In the Masters service

Alethos

 

[Duckybill]

You can see, can you not, how God's work was "in" Christ (and not Himself) reconciling the world to Himself.

2 Corinthians 5:18-19 (NKJV)
[sup]18 [/sup]Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, [sup]19 [/sup]that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Once you make Jesus God the whole record, work and plan of redemption falls over and you no longer have a Captain who conquered the very battle we fight daily. For Jesus to conquer he needed to suffer the same flesh and blood because this is where the enemy dwelt...in the flesh.

Are you actually saying this isn't referring to God?

Jeremiah 17:10 (NKJV)
[sup]10 [/sup]I, the Lord, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.

Knowing this truth we conclude that God Himself could never dwell in something unclean...flesh could never contain God nor could he ever be subject to temptation or have an alternative way of think within Him.

Jesus was unclean? How Satanic!!!

2 Corinthians 5:18-19 (NKJV)
[sup]18 [/sup]Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, [sup]19 [/sup]that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

 

[justaname]

Regardless, Christ was and is a manifestation (to make known) of God, properly understood. The Word (Wisdom, Purpose, Message) of God was made flesh, and dwelt among men (John 1:14;1Jo 4:2). Christ, although the Son of God, was also "born of a woman, made under the law" (Gal 4:4) shaped in flesh (Psa 51:5; Rom 8:3; Eph 2:14) made in all points like his brethren (Heb 2:9,14). Christ in his own self bore our sins in his own body (Isa 53:4; 1Pe 2:24). In other words, he suffered from the effects of Adam's sin in his mortal nature, just as all of Adam's other descendants. "Every spirit (teacher) that professes that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God" (1 Jo 4:2).



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[Duckybill]

Yes, Jesus was/is God.

John 20:28-29 (NKJV)
[sup]28 [/sup]And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" [sup]29 [/sup]Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

 

[Alethos]

[font="tahoma][size="2"]Regardless, Christ was and is a manifestation (to make known) of God, properly understood. The Word (Wisdom, Purpose, Message) of God was made flesh, and dwelt among men (John 1:14;1Jo 4:2). Christ, although the Son of God, was also "born of a woman, made under the law" (Gal 4:4) shaped in flesh (Psa 51:5; Rom 8:3; Eph 2:14) made in all points like his brethren (Heb 2:9,14). Christ in his own self bore our sins in his own body (Isa 53:4; 1Pe 2:24). In other words, he suffered from the effects of Adam's sin in his mortal nature, just as all of Adam's other descendants. "Every spirit (teacher) that professes that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God" (1 Jo 4:2).
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Justaname, I love studying my Fathers Word, it is delight to my inward man. Now we are getting deeper into things spiritaul, so if I am not clear please pull me up.

Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He* was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory

“vindicated by the spirit” The Bible is very plain speaking about Jesus being like all other men, in his nature and the temptations which he “had” to undergo, he was different in that he never succumbed to the lusts of the flesh 1 John 2:16 , no not once! By his “whole life” he condemned sin in the flesh (Rom 8:3), becoming "dead to sin". And when Christ died, death could have no more dominion over him: "He that is dead is freed from sin" (Rom 6:7; Heb 2:14).

Because of his death and sinless life the grave had no more dominion over Jesus or God, for He declared His (God’s) own righteousness in condemning Jesus' body of sin (Rom 3:26), He demonstrated His mercy as well in raising Christ from the dead to eternal life. Jesus was "declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection of the dead" (Rom 1:4). In this Jesus was "vindicated" or "endorsed" as the Greek word signifies (Mat 11:19; Luke 10:29). Jesus was justified (declared just or righteous) in the spirit by being "born of the spirit" through a resurrection to life (Rom 1:4; 1 Pe 3:18):

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36).

Not God!

It is true that Jesus Christ's resurrection to life was a proof of his righteousness and an example and guarantee to those "in Christ" that they might similarly be accounted righteous through him (Rom 4:25).

Vindicated means:

1) to render righteous or such he ought to be

2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

3) to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

KJV - justified in the Spirit

NET- vindicated by the Spirit

NIV - was vindicated by the Spirit

Young - declared righteous in spirit

God vindicated or rendered Jesus righteous. But Himself...God will NEVER need vindicating to be made righteous by the spirit HE is the Spirit!!!...God is the source Righteousness and need no one to justify Him at all.

Very important lesson above

Who was Jesus’ Spirit you ask?

Well who is in possession of the Spirit when Jesus was dead 3 days? Who was the one who vindicated and made him righteous before you and I?

God (Yahweh) Himself... and none other.

Alethos

 

[Duckybill]

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36).

Not God!

Yes, Jesus was/is God.

Jeremiah 17:10 (NKJV)
[sup]10 [/sup]I, the Lord, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.

 

[Alethos]

1 Tim 3:16 Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory

“was taken up in glory”

He was taken up as one who walked and taught among other men, the only man (Psa 110:4), but he will so return in like manner as he ascended into heaven (Acts 1:11). Until then, he is the life of God, as we anticipate his second coming where he will descend in Glory. For our life is hid with him or in him now (Col 3:3), but it will soon be revealed to those of us who may be found worthy when hopefully "we shall be like him" ( 1 Jo 3:2; 1 Co 13:12). Christ is the high priest who once offered his own blood for an at – one - ment, will return from the Most Holy to his waiting brethren and sisters "the second time without sin unto salvation" (Heb 9:28).

The mystery of godliness had its beginning in Jesus alone and its conclusion in God's manifestation by Spirit in a multitude of sons "God all in all" (1 Co 15:28). Even during the "all in all" phase of the Kingdom of God on Earth, we see Jesus being subject to his Father, as we are subject to Christ.

I have found the mystery of godliness is the greatest of all Heavenly things in the Scriptures of truth. The development of the body of Christ, God's pillar and household in him, first by the preaching of Christ in his life, and then the preaching of his disciples and Apostles, and today, but a remnant left who hold such beliefs in the earth.

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God (Not God Himself), should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ" (2Co 4:3-6).

Like the Apostle Paul we can exclaim "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen." (Rom 11:33,36).

Jesus is a commandment (light) from God and without such, how was he born? (begotten of the Father)

Alethos

 

[justaname]

You may chose to read other bibles I will stay wit the KJV<div><br></div><div>Taken from the Geneva Study Bible</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 19, 32); line-height: 21px; "><p><span class="cverse2" style="font-size: 14px; font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 19, 32); line-height: 21px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-decoration: none; text-align: justify; "><span class="cverse3">{8}</span>&nbsp;And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,&nbsp;<span class="cverse3">{k}</span>justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.</span></p><p>(8) There is nothing more excellent than this truth, of which the Church is the keeper and preserver here among men, the ministry of the word being appointed to that end and purpose: for it teaches us the greatest matters that may be thought, that is, that God has become visible in the person of Christ by taking our nature upon him, whose majesty, even though in such great weakness, was manifested in many ways, in so much that the sight of it pierced the very angels. And to conclude, he being preached to the Gentiles was received by them, and is now placed above in unspeakable glory.</p><p>(k) The power of the Godhead showed itself so marvellously in the weak flesh of Christ, that even though he was a weak man, yet all the world knows he was and is God.</p><div><br></div></span></div>

 

[justaname]

{8} And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, {k}justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

(8) There is nothing more excellent than this truth, of which the Church is the keeper and preserver here among men, the ministry of the word being appointed to that end and purpose: for it teaches us the greatest matters that may be thought, that is, that God has become visible in the person of Christ by taking our nature upon him, whose majesty, even though in such great weakness, was manifested in many ways, in so much that the sight of it pierced the very angels. And to conclude, he being preached to the Gentiles was received by them, and is now placed above in unspeakable glory.

(k) The power of the Godhead showed itself so marvellously in the weak flesh of Christ, that even though he was a weak man, yet all the world knows he was and is God.


Taken from the Geneva Study Bible

 

[Duckybill]

1 Tim 3:16 Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory

“was taken up in glory” He was taken up as one who walked and taught among other men, the only man (Psa 110:4), but he will so return in like manner as he ascended into heaven (Acts 1:11). Until then, he is the life of God, as we anticipate his second coming where he will descend in Glory. For our life is hid with him or in him now (Col 3:3), but it will soon be revealed to those of us who may be found worthy when hopefully "we shall be like him" ( 1 Jo 3:2; 1 Co 13:12). Christ is the high priest who once offered his own blood for an at – one - ment, will return from the Most Holy to his waiting brethren and sisters "the second time without sin unto salvation" (Heb 9:28).

The mystery of godliness had its beginning in Jesus alone and its conclusion in God's manifestation by Spirit in a multitude of sons "God all in all" (1 Co 15:28). Even during the "all in all" phase of the Kingdom of God on Earth, we see Jesus being subject to his Father, as we are subject to Christ. I have found the mystery of godliness is the greatest of all Heavenly things in the Scriptures of truth. The development of the body of Christ, God's pillar and household in him, first by the preaching of Christ in his life, and then the preaching of his disciples and Apostles, and today, but a remnant left who hold such beliefs in the earth.

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God (Not God Himself), should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ" (2Co 4:3-6).

Like the Apostle Paul we can exclaim "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen." (Rom 11:33,36). Jesus is a commandment (light) from God and without such, how was he born? (begotten of the Father)

So then, who is this speaking of if it isn't the Lord Jesus?

Jeremiah 17:10 (NKJV)
[sup]10 [/sup]I, the Lord, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.

 

[justaname]

Who was Jesus’ Spirit you ask?

Well who is in possession of the Spirit when Jesus was dead 3 days? Who was the one who vindicated and made him righteous before you and I?

God (Yahweh) Himself... and none other.

Alethos



Please be more clear for me. By this are you stating that Jesus and Yahweh share the same spirit?


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[justaname]

Though all this makes a very plain and consistent sense, yet we are perplexed by various readings on the first clause, Θεος εφανερωθη εν σαρκι, God was manifest in the flesh; for instead of Θεος, God, several MSS., versions, and fathers, have ὁς or ὁ, who or which. And this is generally referred to the word mystery; Great is the mystery of godliness, Which was manifest in the flesh.

The insertion of, Θεος for ὁς, or ὁς for Θεος, may be easily accounted for. In ancient times the Greek was all written in capitals, for the common Greek character is comparatively of modern date. In these early times words of frequent recurrence were written contractedly, thus: for πατηρ, πρ; Θεος, θς; Κυριος, κς· Ιησους, ιης, etc. This is very frequent in the oldest MSS., and is continually recurring in the Codex Bexae, and Codex Alexandrinus. If, therefore, the middle stroke of the Θ, in ΘΣ, happened to be faint, or obliterated, and the dash above not very apparent, both of which I have observed in ancient MSS., then ΘΣ, the contraction for Θεος, God, might be mistaken for ΟΣ, which or who; and vice versa. This appears to have been the case in the Codex Alexandrinus, in this passage. To me there is ample reason to believe that the Codex Alexandrinus originally read ΘΣ, God, in this place; but the stroke becoming faint by length of time and injudicious handling, of which the MS. in this place has had a large proportion, some person has supplied the place, most reprehensibly, with a thick black line. This has destroyed the evidence of this MS., as now it can neither be quoted pro or con, though it is very likely that the person who supplied the ink line, did it from a conscientious conviction that ΘΣ was the original reading of this MS. I examined this MS. about thirty years ago, and this was the conviction that rested then on my mind. I have seen the MS. several times since, and have not changed my opinion. The enemies of the Deity of Christ have been at as much pains to destroy the evidence afforded by the common reading in support of this doctrine as if this text were the only one by which it can be supported; they must be aware that John 1:1, and John 1:14, proclaim the same truth; and that in those verses there is no authority to doubt the genuineness of the reading. We read, therefore, God was manifested in the flesh, and I cannot see what good sense can be taken out of, the Gospel was manifested in the flesh; or, the mystery of godliness was manifested in the flesh. After seriously considering this subject in every point of light, I hold with the reading in the commonly received text.




This was taken from Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

 

[Alethos]

[font="tahoma][size="2"]Who was Jesus’ Spirit you ask?

Well who is in possession of the Spirit when Jesus was dead 3 days? Who was the one who vindicated and made him righteous before you and I?

God (Yahweh) Himself... and none other.

Alethos
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[font="tahoma][size="2"]Please be more clear for me. By this are you stating that Jesus and Yahweh share the same spirit?[/size][/font]
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Is God required to be vindicated (to make righteous) by the Spirit? (John 4:24)

Be careful how you answer...I am seeking from you an understanding on the "difference" between Jesus and God.

"If" you believe God is required to be justified by the Spirit, on what basis?

Alethos

 

[justaname]

I suppose you could answer like this. It depends on who this requisition is being made from. Receive this post from Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible.

Justified in the Spirit; either by the Spirit of God, making his human nature pure and holy, and preserving it from original sin and taint; and by descending on him at his baptism, thereby testifying that he was the Son of God; and by the miracles wrought by his power, which proved Jesus to be the Messiah against those that rejected him; and by his coming down upon the apostles at Pentecost; and who in their ministry vindicated him from all the aspersions cast upon him: or else it is to be understood of the divine nature of Christ, in distinction from his flesh or human nature; in the one he was manifest and put to death for the sins of his people, which were put upon him, and bore by him; and by the other he was quickened and declared to be the Son of God; and being raised from the dead, he was justified and acquitted from all the sins of his people, and they were justified in him; he having made full satisfaction to justice for them.


But again you sidestep my direct question.
Do Yahweh and Jesus share the same spirit. A simple yes or no will do.