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Gen1:31...all God created was"very good"And what about the "non-elect"? Why did God create them?
Grace in Ephesians, etc., is truly marvellous...Gen1:31...all God created was"very good"
Eccl7:29...men having fallen in Adam became alienated from God.
Men reproduce,sinners make other sinners.
God in perfect wisdom and knowledge determined to Elect a multitude of guilty sinners to become the objects of His mercy.
He did not have to save any.
That He has elected a great multitude that no man can number is a loving mercy.
So you don't believe that God is the creator of a newborn child? And instead the title of "creator" goes to their human mom & dad?Gen1:31...all God created was"very good"
Eccl7:29...men having fallen in Adam became alienated from God.
Men reproduce,sinners make other sinners.
God in perfect wisdom and knowledge determined to Elect a multitude of guilty sinners to become the objects of His mercy.
He did not have to save any.
That He has elected a great multitude that no man can number is a loving mercy.
Whom is the creator of a newborn baby?Parents are designed to reproduce.
God gives the spirit/soul of a person.
God's oversight is described in Psalm 139...
God knows each person before they are formed.
Did God regret creating man? YesWhom is the creator of a newborn baby?
God or mortals?
Cutting to the chase: my HUGE problem with the idea these ideas of "election", is that I find that they ignore that God created ALL. God created those whom were martyred for their faith in God AND those that did the martyring. I"m not a Calvinist: I believe firmly that those whom were martyred choose faith in God, and those that murdered them choose Satan. God created both people, and they each made a choice. God forces no man to Heaven or Hell.
@Iconoclast, if you would like to tell me why you believe God created all of the people in Sodom and their eternal fate, I would love to hear it. But let's not deny that God alone is the creator. Pitful humans are not.
Adam's fall put man in a default position of hating God.God is going to punish all sin.Whom is the creator of a newborn baby?
God or mortals?
Cutting to the chase: my HUGE problem with the idea these ideas of "election", is that I find that they ignore that God created ALL. God created those whom were martyred for their faith in God AND those that did the martyring. I"m not a Calvinist: I believe firmly that those whom were martyred choose faith in God, and those that murdered them choose Satan. God created both people, and they each made a choice. God forces no man to Heaven or Hell.
@Iconoclast, if you would like to tell me why you believe God created all of the people in Sodom and their eternal fate, I would love to hear it. But let's not deny that God alone is the creator. Pitful humans are not.
God does not have regrets.Did God regret creating man? Yes
Does the OP'S theology support God's predestination doctrine that all humans were already destined for good or evil? NO
What scriptures support the belief that man was given free will and must choose who he will serve?....
Genesis 6 (KJV)
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⁵ And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
⁶ And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
⁷ And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Unless man has the ability to choose, God is ENTIRELY and SOLELY for culpable EVERY sin.Adam's fall put man in a default position of hating God.God is going to punish all sin.
Men are born in Adam's image....sinners.
The sodomites were sinners in line for the wrath of God.
Do not attempt to blame God for mans sin.
The eternal destiny of all unsaved persons has already been determined.
If God did not elect a multitude of sinners , no one would be saved.
In post#1 point 3 answers your question.
Then by your own answer you have contradicted your own OPGod does not have regrets.
His Holy attributes make that impossible.
Vs 5 says the thoughts of men...WERE ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY....that describes man's will as fallen and bound by sin..vs 8 describes why
Noah differed...Noah found Grace in the eyes of the Lord.
No...men choose sin 24/7...do not blame God for mans sin.Unless man has the ability to choose, God is ENTIRELY and SOLELY for culpable EVERY sin.
What do you mean? I do not understand why you say this?Then by your own answer you have contradicted your own OP
Do you believe a person can choose good?No...men choose sin 24/7...do not blame God for mans sin.
Do you perhaps have some scripture to explain what you mean?Do you believe a person can choose good?
If not, then I'm sorry: God alone is culpable.
Correct. They should be called "The Doctrines of Disgrace". It is a terrible shame that Christians who should have known better from Scripture twisted the Gospel and perverted the truth. At the same time there are many other doctrines in the Westminster Confession with which we can all agree.Actually the heretical doctrine of grace according to Calvinism.
I agreee that God is not the author of sin. Hence I must reject Systems of thought that result in God being the author of sin. Such as Calvinism.Do you perhaps have some scripture to explain what you mean?
God is never the author of sin.
3. He could foresee no moral goodness in fallen and corrupted men, as moving Him to elect them to everlasting happiness, Gen 6:5; Gen 8:21; Ps 5:9-10; Ps 14:1-4; Isa 59:1-15; Rom 1:21-32; Rom 3:10-19,23; Rom 5:12; Rom 8:7-8; Titus 3:3; Jer 13:23; Jer 17:9; Eph 2:1-3; Eph 4:17- 19; Job 14:4; Job 15:14,16; Matt 15:19.
Correct. They should be called "The Doctrines of Disgrace". It is a terrible shame that Christians who should have known better from Scripture twisted the Gospel and perverted the truth. At the same time there are many other doctrines in the Westminster Confession with which we can all agree.
I agreee that God is not the author of sin. Hence I must reject Systems of thought that result in God being the author of sin. Such as Calvinism.
Then by your own answer you have contradicted your own OP