Church Father Justyn Martyr 100-165AD, Taught The Thousand Years Was Eternal, Not On This Earth

[Truth7t7]

At the very least this is very unclear, and possibly contradictory. You say a thousand years is eternal, and it is on the new earth, but not on the earth.

When you can understand that one day is a thousand years in the Lords spiritual realm of no time, ignorance will flee

Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm of no literal earthly time, (The Souls) and (The Dead) aren't upon earth

 

[Randy Kluth]

When you can understand that one day is a thousand years in the Lords spiritual realm of no time, ignorance will flee

Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm of no literal earthly time, (The Souls) and (The Dead) aren't upon earth

I do understand that one day is as a thousand years *in the Lord's eyes.* But it is not so *in our eyes,* and that's what we're discussing. Are you saying that *you view* a thousand years as one day, or are you saying that *the Lord views* a thousand years as one day? If you you see things as the former, then I suppose we're only at about the 21st day since Christ died?

We are trying to interpret things. It is possible that the Lord sees, and that we should also see, the Millennium as one day or as eternity. I wouldn't argue that either way.

But if we're going to do that, the passage itself must say it. Otherwise, we can interpret anything anyway we see fit.

 

[bbyrd009]

1) change the meaning of “eternal” to “forever…”

 

[Truth7t7]

I do understand that one day is as a thousand years *in the Lord's eyes.* But it is not so *in our eyes,* and that's what we're discussing. Are you saying that *you view* a thousand years as one day, or are you saying that *the Lord views* a thousand years as one day? If you you see things as the former, then I suppose we're only at about the 21st day since Christ died?

We are trying to interpret things. It is possible that the Lord sees, and that we should also see, the Millennium as one day or as eternity. I wouldn't argue that either way.

But if we're going to do that, the passage itself must say it. Otherwise, we can interpret anything anyway we see fit.

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Randy Kluth]

1) change the meaning of “eternal” to “forever…”

quips aren't an argument. it's meaningless babble, unless you actually give an argument. I'm not going to do your thinking for you. you don't change the meaning of "eternal" to "forever." it already means that.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

Rev 20 gives very little information about that era, and appears to assume there is preexisting information in the Bible that has already described it. For example, when the Disciples of Jesus asked him when the "restoration of Israel" would take place, it was assumed they all knew what the "restoration of Israel" was!

The emphasis in Rev 20 is on the establishment of rule by Jesus and by glorified Christians over an earth that is now being secured from Satan's devices. My own assumption is that the promises of Abraham are being fulfilled on earth, which requires order imposed upon mortal humanity. Nations would still be assumed as in existence since God promises Abraham "nations." And we would therefore assume that "thrones" would rule those nations. And since God's Kingdom is being imposed upon the earth we must assume that this involves ruling over earthly kingdoms.

 

[nenagana]

Justyn Martyr 100-165AD, Taught The Thousand Years Was Eternal, Not On This Earth
If the theology is false it can be explained very simply

FALSE
FALSE
FALSE

GENESIS 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
GENESIS 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
GENESIS 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

This Lasted for One Day with the pyramid builders in the covenant for their soulmates..................(and the homosapien will also last for one day only until its is deceased, and the judgement finished)

(You know that mankind has not "will to live" yes? if your not a fool or suicidal.......You know that mankind also has, no will to answer its "accusation of dead flesh, its dirth charge" (generationally in its pleasure with dead flesh/sin more then god, yes? if your not a fool or suicidal)

(God is restraining Sin, if that classification of judgment, by god's reckoning in simple terms has no "will to live", and no "will to answer its accusation of dead flesh, generationally"............then God restrains their sin to do this or that with the gospel for the few souls god will save out of this cesspool, do you understand that, if you are not a fool or suicidal?)

The Answer is "One Day for 1000 Years" of or to the Eternal Kingdom in God's Restrain of Sin..............the dead do not know they are going to die, some do not in the sense they cannot act necessarily or fustrate the gospel in the terms of their foolishness or suicidal pleasure. (where as the saved are blessed by the judgment, its also how god acts when god resolves everything, in terms of a classification of his judgment, in allowing the dead and the living in the judgment, until that's resolved the language is parabolic, but in god's reckoning that is the law)

(One Day for the Pyramid Builders, and One Day after that for Earth with the Homosapien, before the Homosapien there was no earth articulated, only unarticulated spaces) (One Day to the Eternal Kingdom for the Homosapien for the translation that takes place into the new universe)

(God can just dispose of their bodies and remove them from the judgment and you would not know about it, but God may allow the earth to witness, and some number of animals would die in mass...............and if the day is violated, then how much less of a witness you would be...........nonetheless...........this is the last generation and everyone will die)

(with that said.............God is not necessarily finished with the son of man in illustrating his mercy or with the mechanism that God released that may evolve into RABIES, so there is reasons to be faithful, but it is not a big loss to see humanity die in its suicidal pleasure) (but think about cov**, if they were classified as less then a man in god's eyes, then its possible they would be used like a pack of animals that would die in mass to represent the absence of your ability to witness, your reward of death, for suicid* pleasur* with, the son of man) (so some large number of deaths you would not be a witness in the earth, as to their death and disappearance) (but since creation this is apart of the law)

 

[Truth7t7]

Rev 20 gives very little information about that era, and appears to assume there is preexisting information in the Bible that has already described it. For example, when the Disciples of Jesus asked him when the "restoration of Israel" would take place, it was assumed they all knew what the "restoration of Israel" was!

The emphasis in Rev 20 is on the establishment of rule by Jesus and by glorified Christians over an earth that is now being secured from Satan's devices. My own assumption is that the promises of Abraham are being fulfilled on earth, which requires order imposed upon mortal humanity. Nations would still be assumed as in existence since God promises Abraham "nations." And we would therefore assume that "thrones" would rule those nations. And since God's Kingdom is being imposed upon the earth we must assume that this involves ruling over earthly kingdoms.

Revelation 20:4-6 shows (Souls) and (Dead) in the spiritual realm, no kingdom on this earth is seen whatsoever, as seen below it's your assumption and nothing more

 

[Truth7t7]

My own assumption is that the promises of Abraham are being fulfilled on earth, which requires order imposed upon mortal humanity. Nations would still be assumed as in existence since God promises Abraham "nations." And we would therefore assume that "thrones" would rule those nations. And since God's Kingdom is being imposed upon the earth we must assume that this involves ruling over earthly kingdoms.

I Agree 100%, Your Assumptions Concerning Revelation 20

 

[Truth7t7]

Justyn Martyr 100-165AD, Taught The Thousand Years Was Eternal, Not On This Earth
If the theology is false it can be explained very simply

FALSE
FALSE
FALSE

GENESIS 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
GENESIS 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
GENESIS 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

This Lasted for One Day with the pyramid builders in the covenant for their soulmates..................(and the homosapien will also last for one day only until its is deceased, and the judgement finished)

(You know that mankind has not "will to live" yes? if your not a fool or suicidal.......You know that mankind also has, no will to answer its "accusation of dead flesh, its dirth charge" (generationally in its pleasure with dead flesh/sin more then god, yes? if your not a fool or suicidal)

(God is restraining Sin, if that classification of judgment, by god's reckoning in simple terms has no "will to live", and no "will to answer its accusation of dead flesh, generationally"............then God restrains their sin to do this or that with the gospel for the few souls god will save out of this cesspool, do you understand that, if you are not a fool or suicidal?)

The Answer is "One Day for 1000 Years" of or to the Eternal Kingdom in God's Restrain of Sin..............the dead do not know they are going to die, some do not in the sense they cannot act necessarily or fustrate the gospel in the terms of their foolishness or suicidal pleasure. (where as the saved are blessed by the judgment, its also how god acts when god resolves everything, in terms of a classification of his judgment, in allowing the dead and the living in the judgment, until that's resolved the language is parabolic, but in god's reckoning that is the law)

(One Day for the Pyramid Builders, and One Day after that for Earth with the Homosapien, before the Homosapien there was no earth articulated, only unarticulated spaces) (One Day to the Eternal Kingdom for the Homosapien for the translation that takes place into the new universe)

(God can just dispose of their bodies and remove them from the judgment and you would not know about it, but God may allow the earth to witness, and some number of animals would die in mass...............and if the day is violated, then how much less of a witness you would be...........nonetheless...........this is the last generation and everyone will die)

(with that said.............God is not necessarily finished with the son of man in illustrating his mercy or with the mechanism that God released that may evolve into RABIES, so there is reasons to be faithful, but it is not a big loss to see humanity die in its suicidal pleasure) (but think about cov**, if they were classified as less then a man in god's eyes, then its possible they would be used like a pack of animals that would die in mass to represent the absence of your ability to witness, your reward of death, for suicid* pleasur* with, the son of man) (so some large number of deaths you would not be a witness in the earth, as to their death and disappearance) (but since creation this is apart of the law)

The Pyramid Builders?

Sounds Like (Charles Taze Russel) Of The Jehovah's Witnesses And His 1918 Predictions Of The Second Coming Based Off The Pyramids In Egypt?

 

[Randy Kluth]

I Agree 100%, Your Assumptions Concerning Revelation 20

Yes, I also assume the sun will come up in the morning because the evidence calls for this. Assumptions are good if they are based on reliable evidence.

There is reliable evidence that the OT Prophets spoke of a day when Israel would finally obtain its national salvation in a lasting way. So when John spoke of a thousand year reign of God's saints over the earth, I do assume that this is the time when Israel will be restored and no longer be defeated by their enemies.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, I also assume the sun will come up in the morning because the evidence calls for this. Assumptions are good if they are based on reliable evidence.

There is reliable evidence that the OT Prophets spoke of a day when Israel would finally obtain its national salvation in a lasting way. So when John spoke of a thousand year reign of God's saints over the earth, I do assume that this is the time when Israel will be restored and no longer be defeated by their enemies.

No place in scripture does it teach of national salvation for any people based upon race or ethnic heritage, God has no respect of person

No place in scripture does it teach man will reign on this earth for 1,000 years

Back to the big word "Assumption"

You reflect on Dispensationalism's (Dual Covenant Theology) Jews/Church (Two Peoples Of God), A Teaching In Error

 

[bbyrd009]

quips aren't an argument. it's meaningless babble, unless you actually give an argument. I'm not going to do your thinking for you. you don't change the meaning of "eternal" to "forever." it already means that.

meh, so go with that then, if you like

eternal, “aion: a space of time, an age”
if your gnostic certainty isnt enough clue i mean :)
have a nice day ok

Luke 18:30 Lexicon: who will not receive many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life."
Strong's Greek: 166. αἰώνιος (aiónios) -- agelong, eternal

 

[Randy Kluth]

No place in scripture does it teach of national salvation for any people based upon race or ethnic heritage, God has no respect of person

No place in scripture does it teach man will reign on this earth for 1,000 years

Back to the big word "Assumption"

You reflect on Dispensationalism's (Dual Covenant Theology) Jews/Church (Two Peoples Of God), A Teaching In Error

No, I'm not a Dispensationalist, and it's easy to prove you're wrong about God giving prophecies specific to nations. Many of the Prophets of the Bible addressed specific nations, in giving them forecasts of what they would experience. Israel figures very high in what the Prophets had to say, because in the OT era, they alone were in covenant with God.

The promises and prophecies given specific to Israel in the OT era have not all come true yet, but are all fulfilled in Christ. At the 2nd Coming, Christ will indeed restore Israel, along with the many Christian nations who have now been devoted to his name.

 

[bbyrd009]

ha sing it with me one mo time…
“tooooooooo-morrow, tomorrow…”

y’all do what you like but i would sure be running from this jazz k
I will never leave you nor forsake you
Return to Me and I will return to you

 

[Randy Kluth]

ha sing it with me one mo time…
“tooooooooo-morrow, tomorrow…”

In some ways, tomorrow's even better than today! :)

 

[bbyrd009]

In some ways, tomorrow's even better than today! :)

free beer tomorrow, woo-hoo

 

[Randy Kluth]

free beer tomorrow, woo-hoo

Sorry, I used to be an alcohol counselor. Lost a friend who was probably drunk in a construction house when it burned down.

But then again, I'm half-German. Best to tranquilize than to get over-anxious, right? ;)

 

[Truth7t7]

No, I'm not a Dispensationalist, and it's easy to prove you're wrong about God giving prophecies specific to nations. Many of the Prophets of the Bible addressed specific nations, in giving them forecasts of what they would experience. Israel figures very high in what the Prophets had to say, because in the OT era, they alone were in covenant with God.

The promises and prophecies given specific to Israel in the OT era have not all come true yet, but are all fulfilled in Christ. At the 2nd Coming, Christ will indeed restore Israel, along with the many Christian nations who have now been devoted to his name.

You made the claim Israel as a nation would be saved, this is found no place in scripture

 

[Randy Kluth]

You made the claim Israel as a nation would be saved, this is found no place in scripture

It is one of the most promised things in Scripture.

This is a true story. Back in the 70s I went through the entire OT Prophets, and circled every verse that had to do with restoration (green), sin (black), and judgment (red). There were many, many promises of restoration for Israel, following judgment to separate the chaff from the wheat.

All of these promises were based on the original promise to Abraham that God would give him a biological nation, a posterity from his own DNA. Along with that would come many nations, outside of his biological posterity, who would share in his faith. I see these as Christian nations today, who like Israel, are a mixed breed.

As Israel fell, so do Christian nations. But as Israel's promise of restoration remains, so do God's promise to restore many nations for Abraham remain. Here are probably a couple of the more popular passages in the NT having to do with Israel's final restoration. What stands apart from other promises of restoration is the promise of a *final restoration* for Israel.

Acts 1.6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
Rom 11.11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!...
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

Some people get confused about what the *complete salvation* of national Israel means. It does not mean that every citizen of the State of Israel will get saved. Rather, it just means that the complete nation will be saved.

For example, to say that the U.S. is saved in a war with only the Southern states surviving is less than the salvation of a complete nation. To say the UK is delivered in a war with only Wales surviving is not a complete national salvation.

Neither is it a complete national salvation if only a remnant of Israel is being delivered. And so, the nation must not only be restored to its land, but the entire nation must re-covenant under the New Covenant of Christ. That doesn't mean every individual will get saved--no more than every citizen of a Christian nation is saved. But it does mean that a complete nation is delivered and that the whole nation adopts a Christian Constitution with *many saved.*