Biblical Mary

[theefaith]

<<<So what!>>>

Just pointing out that there is nowhere written in your Bible that tells you to pray to Mary. Is there anything wrong with that?

<<<don’t they have the authority of Jesus Christ in the church!
Apostolic authority?>>>

For the sake of argument, granting that they do, such authority is not to teach what was not there in scriptures or taught by the apostles of Christ.

This comes to mind. And I think it is wise to learn from mistakes of the past. In days past before Christ, the Levite priests were given the authority to teach the people about God and His words that were written in scriptures. Do you know what happened? What they did? What had become of the people of God?

Tong
R4554

Matt 16:18-19
Jn 16:13
Church and Christ are one acts 9:4 Jn 15:5
Can Christ teach error?
Neither can the church!

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
I am curious yet again. This time about what you say concerning the apostolic succession your church teach which you mentioned in your post.

Do R.C. church have a successor to each of the 12 apostles (who were directly chosen and sent by Jesus Christ)?

there are two line of successors

the successors of Peter in the primacy

and the successors of the apostles or the bishops

they can all be traced back to peter and the apostles yes

My question is:

Do R.C. church have a successor to each of the 12 apostles (who were directly chosen and sent by Jesus Christ)?

So, are there 1 (pope) for Peter and 11 (Bishops) others for the 11 other apostles?

Are there not thousands of bishops in the R.C. church? Then there are also hundreds of cardinals.

How about the apostle Paul, does the R.C. church have a successor of Paul throughout the years since he died?

Tong
R4555

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
I would guess that perhaps you were taught that and were made to believe that by your leaders, or that that is your personal make believe? Any how, either way, that is not taught in scriptures.

How many throne of grace does R.C. church teach you there are? In Hebrews 4:16, how many throne of grace does it say? One or many? Of course, apparently, it does not say there that Mary is the throne of grace.

this is not the throne of God
The description for God’s kingly Thone is very different

this refers to the queenly thone of Mary

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Notice verse 15 refers to Christ as priest and it is the merits of His sacrifice that obtains all graces!

Christ is the source of Grace but they are all received thru Mary!

Jn 1:16-17 all grace comes from Christ
And Christ comes thru Mary!

matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us

Lk 1:30 Mary found the favor of our salvation lost by Adam including all graces


Queen Esther

Queen Esther fair est 2:7
Mary all fair Song of Solomon 4:12
Queen Esther found favor with the king est 2:17
Mary found favor with God Lk 1:30
Queen Esther saves her people interceding with the king
Mary provides the savior of the world!
Lk 2:10-11
Queen Esther receives half the kingdom!
Mary receives half the kingdom, Christ retains the kingdom of justice as just judge and Mary is the queen of grace & mercy!
Depicted in genesis as the greater light that rules the day (those living in God’s will) and the lesser light that governs the night (those living in sin) Mary the mother of mercy and refuge of sinners!
Notice the sun is the source of all good and moon only reflects this goodness!
She directs all to Her divine son! Jn 2:5

Lk 1:28 full of grace!
The divine treasury of grace is Mary!
The very throne of divine grace!

Mary merits the graces we need but don’t deserve. Lk 1:30

Mother is the mother of our savior and our salvation! Lk 2:30 matt 1:21

I am sorry, but I don’t find evidence that that throne of grace spoken of in Hebrews 4:16 is the throne of Mary.

What are your answers to my questions:

How many throne of grace does R.C. church teach you there are?

In Hebrews 4:16, how many throne of grace does it say? One or many?

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

And all say Hail Mary Lk 1:28

Yes Mary is blessed among all women.

Tong
R4557

 

[Tong2020]

Mary’s Catholic dogmas

Mary was conceived without stain of Original sin.

Was Mary sinless?

Tong
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[Tong2020]

They aren't treating Mary as deity.
That is your false perception
God judges the hearts.
Do you see into their hearts?
You make false judgements from appearances and poor understanding

I am not. This is what I said, in case you have not read it.

“This I learned from catholics that I have talked with. When asked what they understand that Mary is the Mother of God, they say that Mary is also Deity, her being the Mother of God.”

I did not make any judgement.

Tong
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[Mungo]

I am not. This is what I said, in case you have not read it.

“This I learned from catholics that I have talked with. When asked what they understand that Mary is the Mother of God, they say that Mary is also Deity, her being the Mother of God.”

I did not make any judgement.

Tong
R4559

And how many of the 1.2 billion Catholics have told you that?

 

[Tong2020]

And how many of the 1.2 billion Catholics have told you that?

I did not count. What I do know is that there are. And that they ought to be taught about the person of Mary, to get them out of that false belief. Whether that be one soul is worth one’s while to preach to him/her the truth.

Tong
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[Ronald Nolette]

You mean just like you give your opinions, opinions and more opinions

I back mine up with Scripture that is not reinterpreted to fit my opinion however like romanism has done many times.

we can only pray to God for the blessed day our immaculate queen receives the glorious domga’s she so richly deserves for they spring from her exalted dignity as mother of God!

Wow you practrice Rank I dolatry! And don't take my word for it. It is clearly written in Gods Word when one does not reinterpret it like Rome has and you have bought hook, line and sinker.

 

[theefaith]

My question is:

Do R.C. church have a successor to each of the 12 apostles (who were directly chosen and sent by Jesus Christ)?

So, are there 1 (pope) for Peter and 11 (Bishops) others for the 11 other apostles?

Are there not thousands of bishops in the R.C. church? Then there are also hundreds of cardinals.

How about the apostle Paul, does the R.C. church have a successor of Paul throughout the years since he died?

Tong
R4555

If your thinking there were 12 apostles so now the are only 12 successors no, there are about 2500 to 3000 bishops each one can make other bishops as the the church needs them to govern the church in different parts of the world

but there is only one successor or peter at a time, valid successor I mean, there are false claimants to the throne three at one time in history but only one valid

cardinals are bishops that have a special task helping the pope in His administration

Timothy is the 1st successor of Paul as was Mathias of Judus acts 1:26

 

[theefaith]

I am sorry, but I don’t find evidence that that throne of grace spoken of in Hebrews 4:16 is the throne of Mary.

What are your answers to my questions:

How many throne of grace does R.C. church teach you there are?

In Hebrews 4:16, how many throne of grace does it say? One or many?

Tong
R4556

One as far as I know

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I know that Ronald Conte (Catholic Planet) is very keen on the co-Redemptrix but that does not make it official Catholic teaching. Nor does one persons opinion make it universally taught.

You quote from the Second Vatican Council says Mediatrix not co mediatrix as you claimed.

Regarding co-Redemptrix. This has been ruled out.
Pope Francis said recently:
Pope Francis appeared to flatly reject proposals in some theological circles to add “co-redemptrix” to the list of titles of the Virgin Mary, saying the mother of Jesus never took anything that belonged to her son, and calling the invention of new titles and dogmas “foolishness.”

“She never wanted for herself something that was of her son,” Francis said. “She never introduced herself as co-redemptrix. No. Disciple,” he said, meaning that Mary saw herself as a disciple of Jesus......

What Francis said Thursday is in line with Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Vatican’s doctrinal chief during most of St. John Paul II’ papacy, and now Pope emeritus Benedict XVI.

Speaking with Peter Seewald for the book-length interview published as God and the World: A Conversation, the then cardinal said: “The formula ‘co-redemptrix’ departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers, and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings.”

I clealy said they are not official dogman as yet, but widely accepted as truth and is not discouraged by rome or forbidden by Rome. And Ratzinger is not the final authority in setting church doctrine, which co-redemptrix is not but widely accepted by the masses of Romanists.

 

[Mungo]

I back mine up with Scripture that is not reinterpreted to fit my opinion however like romanism has done many times.

That'll be the day. I shall look out for such a rare occurance.

 

[Mungo]

I did not count. What I do know is that there are. And that they ought to be taught about the person of Mary, to get them out of that false belief. Whether that be one soul is worth one’s while to preach to him/her the truth.

Tong
R4560

Possibly one then.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Some time ago this came up on a forum and a participant asked for clarification from Rome.
I can't quote the whole response but this from an article in L' Observatore Romano (Weekly Edition N.23 4 June 1997 - p. 12) is entitled "Declaration of the Theological Commission of the Pontifical International Marian Academy".

1. The titles, as proposed, are ambiguous, as they can be understood in very different ways. Furthermore, the theological direction taken by the Second Vatican Council, which did not wish to define any of these titles, should not be abandoned. The Second Vatican Council did not used the title "Coredemptrix" and uses "Mediatrix" and "Advocate" in a very moderate way (cf Lumen gentium, n. 62).... (snip) : In the first decades of this century the Holy See entrusted the possibility of its definition to three different commissions, the result of which was that the Holy See decided to set the question aside.
   
   2. Even if the titles were assigned a content which could be accepted as belonging to the deposit of the faith, the definition of these titles, however, in the present situation would be lacking in theological clarity, as such titles and the doctrines inherent in them still require further study in a renewed Trinitarian, ecclesiastical and anthropological perspective. Finally, the theologians, especially the non-Catholics, were sensitive to the ecumenical difficulties which would be involved in such a definition.

So not an official dogma and not likely to be one either.

the facxt that an official church statement called her Mediatrix and Advocate and with past writings say her actions are qabove all the saints but below Jesus is sin enough.

 

[theefaith]

Yes Mary is blessed among all women.

Tong
R4557

Why is she blessed?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That'll be the day. I shall look out for such a rare occurance.

Just go back through our discussions. I don't "interpret" Scripture. I quote them and accept them as is. Mary has no place in God's Word in the exalted place that the Romanists Word has placed her. sorry it is just not there unless one allegorizes scriptures to make her fit being Holy Queen enthroned above, fount of all graces and all th eother official titles the romanists have given Mary that are jesus' alone.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why is she blessed?

Cuz she was picked by God without any merit to be the one to bear jesus! But she is blessed among women not above women.

 

[Mungo]

the facxt that an official church statement called her Mediatrix and Advocate and with past writings say her actions are qabove all the saints but below Jesus is sin enough.

So a statement by Pope Emeritus Benedict counts for nothing.
A statement by Pope Frances counts for nothing.
A statement by Theological Commission of the Pontifical International Marian Academy counts for nothing.

Only you opinions count.

 

[Mungo]

Just go back through our discussions. I don't "interpret" Scripture. I quote them and accept them as is. Mary has no place in God's Word in the exalted place that the Romanists Word has placed her. sorry it is just not there unless one allegorizes scriptures to make her fit being Holy Queen enthroned above, fount of all graces and all th eother official titles the romanists have given Mary that are jesus' alone.

I've gone back 5 pages - 11 of your posts & only 1 had a scripture quote.

The Catholic posts are full of quotes.,