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And the rest of what Paul said was that they all should speak in tongues in the Corinthian church, and that he spoke in tongues more than anyone, and ordered them to forbid not speaking in tongues.
You can’t use the letter Paul wrote to that church, where he imparts to then spiritual gifts to have until Jesus returns, teaches them how to operate the gifts of tongues properly in church, lists to them the gifts of the spirit, says they should all speak in tongues, says he speaks in tongues more than anyone, and orders them to forbid not speaking in tongues, to refute the gift of tongues.
The importance of having love hardly negates speaking in tongues.
Actually the scriptures are clear that all spiritual gifts end when Jesus returns and they aren’t needed anymore.
Peter said they. are for all who God shall call.
Paul said charisma gifts last until Jesus returns.
1 Corinthians 13 says tongues prophecy and knowledge end at the same time, yet Prophecy increases in the last days, per Joel, and knowledge also increases in the end times per Isaiah.
Thus in these end times and last days, prophecy and knowledge remain, therefore so do tongues, since tongues knowledge and prophecy all end at the same time.
As I said, I believe the matter of one having a gift of the Holy Spirit belongs to the Holy Spirit’s will.
Then I suppose you don’t believe that the Holy Spirit gives and distribute as He wills. For as pertaining to the gift of tongues, it seems you believe that the Holy Spirit is sort of compelled to give it to every and all believers.
The bad thing about this is when one makes a certain gift such as tongues as a necessary thing to have, to be said to be a true Christian or that one is saved, the implication of which have the other believers who have it not as being not saved. It divides unnecessarily the children of God, much more, in a way blur the matter of the grace of God. For that would be sin.
If any of the brethren today who profess faith in Christ and claim to have tongues, that is between him and God. And I will take him to be a brother/sister, as I would also take those who does not have tongues.
Tong
R4595
Tongues and spiritual gifts are for those saved, not to get saved.
Yes there are specialized gifts not everyone has that the HS gives as He wills,
BUT there are gifs that are inclusive of “those who believe” including tongues and healing the sick by laying on of hands, per Mark 16.
And Jesus said that He who believes in Him can do the same works He did. John 14:12.
Maranatha
Yeah, how heinous can you get, seeking the GIFTS promised to those who believe, maybe we should forgo the gift of salvation, since it’s wrong to seek gifts God wants us to have.
Should Paul should have consulted you before writing this?:
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
And this:
1Co 14:5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.
Paul wants us all to covet spiritual gifts and to speak in tongues.
You might want rethink your spiritual gifts theology a little.
Maranatha
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So, are you one of those who believe that believers who do not have tongues are not saved?
Tong
R4596
The only way post-Pentecost, to be filled with the Holy Spirit- another already spirit filled believer lays hands on you.
Opposite you say. In simple and direct words, is that a no answer to my question?
Tong
R4599
I think you are making a distinction about the manner in which the same tongue is performed in the case of interpretation.
It's the same tongue as when the person prays alone, but in this other case, he/she is impressed by the Holy Spirit to utter the tongues out loud in an assembling of the saints. Then the interpretation comes forth from somebody else, or perhaps the same person who actually spoke tongues out loud.
If you understand the gift of prophecy, interpretation is the gift of prophecy. Really no different, except the manner in which it is utilized. It's an expansion of the interaction of the saints.
Reiterating, with different words -- It is NOT like the person speaking tongues aloud is speaking a foreign language of the earth, and then the person who has the interpretation understands that foreign language and interprets it. That is NOT what happens. The interpreter is getting the prophetic understanding, and is prompted by the Holy Spirit to give the word as a response to the one who spoke in tongues aloud.
For those who do not and have not prayed in tongues, what I just wrote takes the strangeness and mystifying aspect out of it for you. This is why tongues is considered the 1st gift of getting baptized in the Holy Spirit, because you are breaking new ground in the spiritual realm, and you then start to see, via the experience, and get excited about God's power. Most of us express it as though you were getting born again, again. It's a tremendous spiritual experience.
Another analogy: You are a glass of oil partially filled. The oil representing the Holy Spirit within you due to being Born of the Spirit (born again). Now, God wants you to be filled up. So you need to ask like Jesus said in Luke:11:10-13. And take a step of faith to receive it. Then God comes to you with a jug of oil and begins to pour from the jug more oil into you such that the glass begins to overflow its rim. This overflowing is expressed via the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12). But the 1st gift, almost always, is tongues, and extolling God.
It might also include other gifts, but this is seldom seen by the body at large.
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Well.... This thread has taken off.... Several people quoted me but I have decided this is not a topic I want to spend time discussing.
I have seen way too much emphasis on this one gift... as well as abuse of this gift.... I'm quite FULL from it. Have a nice day everyone.
I have seen way too much emphasis on this one gift... as well as abuse of this gift.... I'm quite FULL from it. Have a nice day everyone.
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Addy, this is a commandment, or a very strong exhortation, by the apostle that you should earnestly seek the Spiritual gifts.
1 Cor 14:1 Make love your aim, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.
Thinking you don't need the gifts of the Holy Spirit out of your own natural thinking, is not good. It really is not. There's reason behind every word written in the bible. This is not a random raffle and you choose not to buy a lottery ticket.
You need to think more soberly on this subject in light of what is written.
Peace to you.
Dear SIR.... Please do not place yourself in position of ERROR by proceeding to tell me what I ought to think... or need.
You have absolutely NO idea what my life is or is not.
As far as gifts go.... I desire the gift of mercy... the gift of wisdom... the gift of empathy and compassion. Those ones take a bit
of humility to get clothed with.
JohnPaul
Soldier of Jehovah and Christ
What is this speaking in tongues I've been reading about, is it a language that could be understood by any Christian?
I'm eager to learn about this, may God protect me and keep me from evil.
I'm eager to learn about this, may God protect me and keep me from evil.
I said that spiritual gifts are for those who are saved, and not to GET saved.
Is that not clear enough?
JohnPaul
Soldier of Jehovah and Christ
I need the gifts of God Almighty and his only begotten son, and their mercy of the sins I've committed.
The bottom line is that after explaining the use of the spiritual gifts of tongues and prophecy in the church, and saying they should all speak in tongues, and saying he prayed in tongues more than anyone, and telling them to seek the gifts of tongues and prophecy, and telling them to forbid not speaking in tongues, Paul said to let the ignorant remain ignorant - thus at some point it’s time to stop debating those who want to remain ignorant about the subject - it’s not as if it’s a salvation issue, though some sects try to claim that it is.
Shalom Aleichem
Shalom Aleichem
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Except Paul said there’s a gift of tongues that not everyone has, yet Jesus says there’s a type of tongue that’s a sign that follows those who believe.
Paul:
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Jesus:
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
So there’s more than one kind of tongue- Paul said there are diversities of tongues.
There’s one that not all have, and one that all believers have.
Shalom
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