Paul

[Bob Estey]

People on the conservative side of the spectrum seem to believe everything Paul says in the Bible was inspired by God, and therefore is the Word of God. People on the left seem to pick and choose what is the Word of God. People in the middle might go back and forth between the two.

I might suggest this: God gave Paul a very important mission: Setting up churches and instructing them. Paul wasn’t perfect, though. He commanded much respect, so his letters were kept, and in time considered scripture.

 

[GISMYS_7]

2 Timothy 3:16
3:16 Every scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.
The Bible is the eternal living Word of God!!!

 

[marks]

People on the conservative side of the spectrum seem to believe everything Paul says in the Bible was inspired by God, and therefore is the Word of God. People on the left seem to pick and choose what is the Word of God. People in the middle might go back and forth between the two.

I might suggest this: God gave Paul a very important mission: Setting up churches and instructing them. Paul wasn’t perfect, though. He commanded much respect, so his letters were kept, and in time considered scripture.

Personally I believe what Paul wrote. I believe God inspired him.

Much love!

 

[Windmillcharge]

Paul wasn’t perfect, though. He commanded much respect, so his letters were kept, and in time considered scripture.

2peter:35 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

If Peter, Pauls contempory considers Pauls letters as scripture who are we to disagree.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Satan's oldest trick = planting seeds of doubt. Satan's first words to Eve= Did God really say"???
Genesis 3:1-13
Satan said=== He said to the woman, 'Did God really say that you must not eat from any tree in the garden?=====Satan planting seeds of doubt. Beware those that help him.

 

[Bob Estey]

2peter:35 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

If Peter, Pauls contempory considers Pauls letters as scripture who are we to disagree.

I think few disagree that Paul's writings are scripture. I think the area of disagreement would be how one views scripture.

 

[amadeus]

I think few disagree that Paul's writings are scripture. I think the area of disagreement would be how one views scripture.

Aye, many may insist that the written scripture is the Word of God. I, however, believe that the scriptures alone are the empty shell of the Body of Christ without Life until and if quickened by the Spirit of God. When it is so quickened, then we have the Word of God!

 

[Bob Estey]

Aye, many may insist that the written scripture is the Word of God. I, however, believe that the scriptures alone are the empty shell of the Body of Christ without Life until and if quickened by the Spirit of God. When it is so quickened, then we have the Word of God!

I think Paul was helpful when he told us, "Pray constantly." 1 Thessalonians 5:17 RSV

 

[Enoch111]

People on the conservative side of the spectrum seem to believe everything Paul says in the Bible was inspired by God, and therefore is the Word of God.

The apostle Peter, the contemporary of Paul, made this FACT very clear. So if you do not believe that the epistles of Paul were divinely inspired, then you are making Peter, Christ, and God into liars. A vert serious offence. To claim that over half the New Testament was NOT divinely inspired is absolute rubbish.

 

[amadeus]

I think Paul was helpful when he told us, "Pray constantly." 1 Thessalonians 5:17 RSV

Amen! But... how many I wonder really try to do that?

 

[bbyrd009]

I think few disagree that Paul's writings are scripture. I think the area of disagreement would be how one views scripture.

just since you said that, i would offer this, The Word of God once came in the flesh, and now in Linked Data , particularly @ “Scriptures and writings” on down from there. It is at first a subtle difference, but imo an important one, bearing upon our current definition of “Scripture,” which Paul most likely did not say @ “All Writings…” (iow prolly not “All Scriptures…” like we now define that, almost surely) thus All writings are inspired by God… as the Lex of the v shows, 2 Timothy 3:15 Lexicon: and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
also, not YHWH, but theopneustos, which only occurs in that one, single place, in 3:16, but thats for another time i guess.

the point being, in English, that in Paul’s time there was no “Bible” such as we know it today, and “Scriptures” for Paul likely meant something more like “Writings that have stood the test of time; sacred”

 

[ChristisGod]

2peter:35 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

If Peter, Pauls contempory considers Pauls letters as scripture who are we to disagree.

Amen. And only those who as Peter said distort his teachings would disagree . So they are actually opposing God, not Paul.

 

[ChristisGod]

The apostle Peter, the contemporary of Paul, made this FACT very clear. So if you do not believe that the epistles of Paul were divinely inspired, then you are making Peter, Christ, and God into liars. A vert serious offence. To claim that over half the New Testament was NOT divinely inspired is absolute rubbish.

Ditto

 

[Bob Estey]

just since you said that, i would offer this, The Word of God once came in the flesh, and now in Linked Data , particularly @ “Scriptures and writings” on down from there. It is at first a subtle difference, but imo an important one, bearing upon our current definition of “Scripture,” which Paul most likely did not say @ “All Writings…” (iow prolly not “All Scriptures…” like we now define that, almost surely) thus All writings are inspired by God… as the Lex of the v shows, 2 Timothy 3:15 Lexicon: and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
also, not YHWH, but theopneustos, which only occurs in that one, single place, in 3:16, but thats for another time i guess.

the point being, in English, that in Paul’s time there was no “Bible” such as we know it today, and “Scriptures” for Paul likely meant something more like “Writings that have stood the test of time; sacred

I find this interesting. I had always assumed, without even thinking about it, that the Old Testament was in existence during Paul's time. Maybe it wasn't that simple.

 

[marks]

I think few disagree that Paul's writings are scripture. I think the area of disagreement would be how one views scripture.

How will you decide which of Paul's words are right?

Much love!

 

[FHII]

People on the conservative side of the spectrum seem to believe everything Paul says in the Bible was inspired by God, and therefore is the Word of God. People on the left seem to pick and choose what is the Word of God. People in the middle might go back and forth between the two.

I might suggest this: God gave Paul a very important mission: Setting up churches and instructing them. Paul wasn’t perfect, though. He commanded much respect, so his letters were kept, and in time considered scripture.

You have me confused Bob. Qhile I agree with you here, we had former conversation where tou seemed to believe we should believe Jesus over Paul. My point of view is that it was never a matter of chosing one over the other.

Perhaps I misunderstood you or missed a post you made. If so, Thank you for correcting me.

 

[Enoch111]

I think few disagree that Paul's writings are scripture. I think the area of disagreement would be how one views scripture.

This is not exactly rocket science. Scripture = divinely inspired writings = the Word of God. There are no other meanings.

INSPIRATION = INERRANCY = INFALLIBILITY

And inspiration without divine preservation would be meaningless. So God also preserved His Word in the traditional Hebrew and Greek texts (not in the critical texts).

 

[Bob Estey]

How will you decide which of Paul's words are right?

Much love!

The same way I decide if my pastor's words are right.

 

[Bob Estey]

You have me confused Bob. Qhile I agree with you here, we had former conversation where tou seemed to believe we should believe Jesus over Paul. My point of view is that it was never a matter of chosing one over the other.

Perhaps I misunderstood you or missed a post you made. If so, Thank you for correcting me.

I believe Jesus and God never make mistakes. You can't say that about anybody else.

 

[Bruce Atkinson]

It is Paul alone that separates Law from Grace. Those who don't fully accept and believe Pauls' writings are effectively and willingly placing themselves under the law...the Mosaic law...all 613 of them, starting with the 10 Commandments. Starting with Moses, Israel was placed under Gods' law as given to Moses. Israel remains under the law today.

Jesus entire earthly ministry was under the law, not grace as Galatians 4:4-5 shows:

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. (KJV)

What about following the law? Here's a couple of verses from Paul -

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (KJV) (underlining mine)

And Pauls' writing about grace...

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (KJV)

Read Hebrews 11. It's ALL about FAITH without works!

Now, who wants to be judged under the law, by their works?

THE GOSPEL: (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (KJV)