"Milk" is Doctrine, "Meat" is.....?

[bbyrd009]

When we move from milk to meat

this would seem to ignore we’re tired of this manna, give us some meat to eat and i’d rather never eat meat again

 

[Ziggy]

this would seem to ignore we’re tired of this manna, give us some meat to eat and i’d rather never eat meat again

Kind of like..
Be careful what you ask for.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

if you seek Him, He will be found of you (New man?)

but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off for ever (old man?)

I broke those up to share a perspective whether it be right or wrong, where both is us : that old conversation in fulfilling the lust of the flesh(forsaking Him), and the new conversation in Christ(if you seek Him)?

If you forsake Him…‘He will cast you off for ever’ not remembering as ‘to put off lying and deceitful works of the flesh’ where ‘I never knew you’ you worker of iniquity (you worker of sin)… depart from Me? is that necessarily a bad thing in all the similar instructions given to ‘cast off the works of darkness’, to ‘cast off the works of darkness’ and ‘let us put on the armour of light’? Is it any way related to: God cast off the works of darkness and put on the armour of light? In ‘taking it out of the way’ and ‘nailing it to the cross’?
Romans 13:12
Ephesians 4:22-25 That you put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And that you put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. [25] Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

point is, ‘cast off’ ‘put off’ ‘put away’ but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off for ever.

if you seek Him, He will be found of you.
How does one seek Him? When He said
Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

if you seek Him, He will be found of you (New man?)

but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off for ever (old man?)

I broke those up to share a perspective whether it be right or wrong, where both is us : that old conversation in fulfilling the lust of the flesh(forsaking Him), and the new conversation in Christ(if you seek Him)?

If you forsake Him…‘He will cast you off for ever’ not remembering as ‘to put off lying and deceitful works of the flesh’ where ‘I never knew you’ you worker of iniquity (you worker of sin)… depart from Me? is that necessarily a bad thing in all the similar instructions given to ‘cast off the works of darkness’, to ‘cast off the works of darkness’ and ‘let us put on the armour of light’? Is it any way related to: God cast off the works of darkness and put on the armour of light? In ‘taking it out of the way’ and ‘nailing it to the cross’?
Romans 13:12
Ephesians 4:22-25 That you put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And that you put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. [25] Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

point is, ‘cast off’ ‘put off’ ‘put away’ but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off for ever.

if you seek Him, He will be found of you.
How does one seek Him? When He said
Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

concerning the above also consider where Paul spoke of ‘clean out the old leaven of malice and wickedness’ that you may be a new lump; ‘unleavened bread of sincerity and truth’? 1 Corinthians 5:8

consider Paul saying here ‘I have decided to deliver such a one to satan for the destruction [death] of the flesh So that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus Christ.

did Jesus Christ also deliver Peter over to satan for the destruction [death] of the flesh?
Did Peter forsake in ‘until you have denied three times knowing Me.’ …the rooster will not crow?

“Simon, Simon, behold satan has demanded[permission] to sift you like wheat; But I have prayed that your faith may not fail (Psalm 89:32-33) and you, when you have returned again (unto Me), strengthen you brothers.

Is Peter claiming ‘I will not forsake you?’ In But Peter said ‘Lord with you I am ready to go both to prison and to death!’

and He said “I say Peter, the rooster will not crow until you have denied three times knowing Me.”

Consider Peter’s “I am ready to go with you to prison and to death!” With ‘I have decided to deliver such a one to satan for the destruction [death] of the flesh’ … Simon, Simon, behold satan has demanded[permission] to sift you like wheat…

 

[David H.]

this would seem to ignore we’re tired of this manna, give us some meat to eat and i’d rather never eat meat again

Different meat referred to in the Manna passage....The meat there is the Physical meat not Spiritual meat.

 

[David H.]

you continue to malign me.

Your false presupposition is that if I promote faith, that somehow means there is no experience of Spiritual fruit in my life. OK, I get it, you say that in one form or another over and over ad nauseum. Next, if you follow your pattern, will come your posts about how "offended" I am, because I've pointed this out.

That is the Holy Spirit convicting you, not me maligning you.

You keep laying again the foundation of faith toward God, Nothing wrong with that, but are opposed to the experience that allows you to go onto perfection, As per Hebrews 6:1.

 

[bbyrd009]

Different meat referred to in the Manna passage....The meat there is the Physical meat not Spiritual meat.

hmm
i doubt it, but maybe

 

[David H.]

hmm
i doubt it, but maybe

The Israelites were desiring the meat of Egypt, which they had when they were slaves there. Physical sustenance, not Spiritual Meat.

 

[amadeus]

if you seek Him, He will be found of you (New man?)

but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off for ever (old man?)

Our friend @Episkopos some time ago here helped me clarify that of the "inner man" is the one who chooses. We are then led by our old man until and if we have been born again [born from above]. Then we have a better choice for our leadership: the new man or the old man. How often must we choose? As often as their is decision to be made by us that matters to God!

Eventually the old man of us needs to be killed completely. That can only be done by the new man in us.

Every time our inner man chooses the new man we win the battle move closer to killing him completely. Every time our inner man chooses the old man we lose the battle lost and we nourish and rejuvenate the wrong one: Our choice...

Consider this parable:

"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation." Matt 12:43-45

I broke those up to share a perspective whether it be right or wrong, where both is us : that old conversation in fulfilling the lust of the flesh(forsaking Him), and the new conversation in Christ(if you seek Him)?

If you forsake Him…‘He will cast you off for ever’ not remembering as ‘to put off lying and deceitful works of the flesh’ where ‘I never knew you’ you worker of iniquity (you worker of sin)… depart from Me? is that necessarily a bad thing in all the similar instructions given to ‘cast off the works of darkness’, to ‘cast off the works of darkness’ and ‘let us put on the armour of light’? Is it any way related to: God cast off the works of darkness and put on the armour of light? In ‘taking it out of the way’ and ‘nailing it to the cross’?
Romans 13:12

The old man chooses the works of darkness. The only time before rebirth we are able to choose really other than effective darkness is when we look to that glimmer of hope/light just visible to every person born to a woman. When followed that can lead us to real complete and final salvation...

"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." John 1:9

Choosing to pursue that glimmer will then show us how to receive the 'new man' of us. This brings us to the Life which Jesus brought and makes it possible for us to endure to the end with Him... This is what being born again is about. It makes possible for us, the impossible!

Ephesians 4:22-25 That you put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And that you put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. [25] Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

point is, ‘cast off’ ‘put off’ ‘put away’ but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off for ever.

This is killing the 'old man', the beasts, which we all started with and some even increased within themselves by partaking of the wrong nourishment...

Consider wisdom:

"Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:
She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table." Prov. 9:1-2

if you seek Him, He will be found of you.
How does one seek Him? When He said

Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

The One that seeketh God for us is the Holy Spirit. When we choose the Way of the "new man", we are choosing rather than quenching the Holy Spirit to lead us. Lots of work to do in each of us. Each time we actually quench the Spirit of God in us, we hinder that work and may even end up backsliding...

Lots of churches by their man-made rules, programs and leaderships routinely teach people to quench the Holy Spirit which they did at one time receive.

 

[bbyrd009]

The Israelites were desiring the meat of Egypt, which they had when they were slaves there. Physical sustenance, not Spiritual Meat.

well…i guess you werent around when i was able to use we’re tired of this manna as a spiritual reply; been a year and a half or something, might still be searchable i guess…nope

anyway point being i wouldnt write that down in stone just yet ok, as you are likely to change your mind

Our friend @Episkopos

is epi still around? apparently. hey bro howya been

 

[amadeus]

...
is epi still around? apparently. hey bro howya been

He posts once in a while still. I believe he has some other irons in the fire using up his time. Watch for him. He'll show up before long even if he doesn't stick around a lot.

 

[bbyrd009]

didnt search back far enough i guess
Where do aborted babies go?

 

[David H.]

didnt search back far enough i guess

Consider wisdom:

"Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:
She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table." Prov. 9:1-2

The carnal mind of man is a deceiver. It tells man that it is able to know everything, and thereby producing complacency in the believer, and closing the door to the revelation of Mystery which comes from God. This is what happens to the Laodicea church, they have locked Christ out of the church. "They say they are rich and in need of nothing." "Ever learning and never arriving at the truth." "Men will run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase". "Tossed about by every wind of doctrine of the cunning craftiness of man".

The reliance on the wisdom of man is the "real pandemic" that is plaguing the church today. the denominationalism is the symptom of this plague....

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:13-14)

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. (1 Corinthians 3:18-19)

 

[amadeus]

The carnal mind of man is a deceiver. It tells man that it is able to know everything, and thereby producing complacency in the believer, and closing the door to the revelation of Mystery which comes from God. This is what happens to the Laodicea church, they have locked Christ out of the church. "They say they are rich and in need of nothing." "Ever learning and never arriving at the truth." "Men will run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase". "Tossed about by every wind of doctrine of the cunning craftiness of man".

The reliance on the wisdom of man is the "real pandemic" that is plaguing the church today. the denominationalism is the symptom of this plague....

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:13-14)

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. (1 Corinthians 3:18-19)

Amen!

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." Prov 9:10

 

[marks]

That is the Holy Spirit convicting you, not me maligning you.

No . . . I'm referring to your falsehoods posted to impugn me because you find that easier than refuting my posts. The pattern repeats itself over and over.

If you want to make an impression, show me that you can control that aspect of yourself.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You Speak to God, But does he speak to you?

This is still Ad Hominem. Deal with the doctrine, with the Scriptures. You cannot defend your view for the Bible, so you continue to want to discuss me.

I'm not here to give a personal defense to you. You can trumpet abroud your presumptions (or not even that, merely baseless distractions), and I expect you will, but please surprise me and show me something better.

God making his presence known to you is another thing altogether,

This is where trust fits in.

He is ALWAYS with us. If you will believe that, this opens the door to your enjoying His presence. Do you think that if you believe, and you seek, that you WON'T find Him? You will.

Have you ever rejoiced in tribulations? I mean, really actually been happy over your suffering? Real feelings of gratitude even in the midst of real pain? Gratitude for that pain? Simply because you know that God is bringing you a gift through it? Or do you have to wait and find out what that gift is before you will rejoice?

That is when you see how holy He is and how unworthy we are..... Do not mix the two. The latter experience will change you.

The only question is . . . what will it take before you will trust Him? Must you have experiences first? Visible proof before you will believe?

God told the priests, when you step into the water, then it will part for you.

Draw night to God and he will draw nigh to you....

And if you do . . . it will show in your comportment.

Much love!

 

[David H.]

No . . . I'm referring to your falsehoods posted to impugn me because you find that easier than refuting my posts. The pattern repeats itself over and over.

If you want to make an impression, show me that you can control that aspect of yourself.

There is no "Impugnity" there in my writing, only edification. You read "impugnity" into the comments i post.

I Write what the Holy Spirit leads me to write, that is all, the fact that you have a problem with this shows that you are being convicted by what is written, and thereby resisting the words the Holy Ghost is leading me to write.

As for refuting your posts.... I agree with most of what you say so there is no need to refute them, All I am saying is there is more there, More of Christ Jesus That we in general do not grasp, and the mind of man cannot grasp until they are being taught by the Holy Ghost.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. (1 Corinthians 2:9-10)

 

[David H.]

This is still Ad Hominem. Deal with the doctrine, with the Scriptures. You cannot defend your view for the Bible, so you continue to want to discuss me.

I'm not here to give a personal defense to you. You can trumpet abroud your presumptions (or not even that, merely baseless distractions), and I expect you will, but please surprise me and show me something better.

It is a sincere question on my part, nothing more.... no "impugnity" intended....

 

[marks]

This is speaking of the latter, God making His presence known to you....

Let me ask you a question . . .

Do you think God's intent for us is to share our lives with us in a communing sort of way? That we are always consciously in relationship with God, as He is involved in our thoughts and actions?

I remember a friend of mine put it this way . . . "and then I realized I was having a conversation with my Creator." Do you believe we are intended by God to have that sort of life with Him? That we can literally converse with God? That as we share our issues of life with Him, that He manages those issues for us, as we are in this cooperative relationship? That He always has new heights He is drawing us into, that we enter into by trusting Him?

The reason I ask is that you don't seem to think His promise, Draw near to Him, and He will draw near to you, will always be kept.

Your comment comes across as, "Sure . . . you've drawn here to Him, BUT, Did He draw near to you? Huh?" My rewording is to reflect how I perceive the tone of your question.

Why would you think that if one draws near to God, that He WON'T draw near to you? Of course He is here now! Trust is our way to participate in life with Him. I wouldn't just thing that isn't true.

You continue to post that my trust in God is empty, and cold, and unfulfilled. You seem compelled to pursue that course.

Much love!

 

[marks]

There is no "Impugnity" there in my writing, only edification. You read "impugnity" into the comments i post.

Be honest, and maybe a little more self aware.

Much love!