Sound doctrine for salvation does not require scripture gymnastics or lengthily tirades to convince the willing listener. It is common that those who do so are in reality trying to convince themselves more than others.
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Preach the glorious gospel to all that has breath , He or she who believes shall be saved , AS JESUS SAIDI do not believe that when Jesus died on the cross that all mankind was given salvation. I believe that we must thru faith believe. This is very clear in the scripture. Otherwise everyone after the cross is going to Heaven no matter what they do. This is far from a perfect analogy but it's like I was sentenced to death but someone paid restitution for my death sentence and if I accept the free gift of restitution I'm free and have eternal life.
Why would you suggest that I was gnashing my teeth? I'm taking time out of my busy schedule to help you. You don't seem to understand the concept of "redemption" and in a loving way, I'm trying to help you.You blindly say "free" of 1 Peter 2:16 while gnashing your teeth at "slaves of God" in 1 Peter 2:16.
The Apostle Peter says that free man are slaves of God for it is written "as free, and not having the freedom as a cover-up for evil, but as slaves of God." (1 Peter 2:16).
See that Peter wrote "slaves of God" (1 Peter 2:16), just like Paul wrote disciples of Christ are slaves of righteousness (Romans 6:18).
"The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many" says Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 20:28).
Christ's Blood shed on the cross is payment for the ransom that leads to Christ's disciples being bought unto slaves of Righteousness; moreover, the payment for the ransom is redemption of Christ's disciples.
We slaves of Righteousness are set free from the punishment for sin.
When you wrote "Jesus didn't buy disciples", then, in effect, @CadyandZoe, you excluded yourself from the ransom that Jesus paid resulting you being under the punishment for sin.
Again, you dont believe in the saving efficacy of the cross, that can only mean you are attached to the false notion of salvation by man and what he does.I do not believe that when Jesus died on the cross that all mankind was given salvation. I believe that we must thru faith believe. This is very clear in the scripture. Otherwise everyone after the cross is going to Heaven no matter what they do. This is far from a perfect analogy but it's like I was sentenced to death but someone paid restitution for my death sentence and if I accept the free gift of restitution I'm free and have eternal life.
Again, you dont believe in the saving efficacy of the cross, that can only mean you are attached to the false notion of salvation by man and what he does.
It looks like that is what he believes, because Jesus shed his blood for our sins all men are saved regardless of what they themselves believe, what actions they take in life etc. I wonder how many are saved but do not know it.If what you are saying is true, then universalism is correct doctrine.
No place in scripture does it say after the cross that we are all automatically ... saved.
Why would you suggest that I was gnashing my teeth? I'm taking time out of my busy schedule to help you. You don't seem to understand the concept of "redemption" and in a loving way, I'm trying to help you.
Ransom is paid to free someone and this is why Peter tells you that we are a free people. Jesus didn't buy slaves, he paid the price to set us free. Peter is exhorting his readers, whom he considers to be a free people against living a life of licentiousness. Why would he do that? Because they are no longer under law but under grace. They no longer are constrained by a law, a set of rules, a set of judgments and a culture.
Jesus-followers are no longer living according to a set of rules. We are now living according to a wisdom, which God himself is teaching us. James 1:5 Peter's point is this. Those whom Christ set free are now able to live according to their own judgment and wisdom, which is coming from God. We are not slaves of God as you suggest. We are students of God, obeying him and learning wisdom from him. In other words, "Live free, but live as those serving God."
If this is not helpful, I'm sorry.
You are repeating yourself.You subtract "slaves of God" right out of Peter's writing of "as free, and not having the freedom as a cover-up for evil, but as slaves of God." (1 Peter 2:16), so you do an unbelieving deed/fruit.
You cannot escape the fact that "ransom" is used in scripture to indicate a "demand for payment to recover ownership of 'his life'" in "If a ransom is demanded of him, then he shall give for the redemption of his life whatever is demanded of him" (Exodus 21:30).
According to Exodus 21:30, "ransom" is defined as "demand for payment to recover ownership".
According to Exodus 21:30, "redemption" is defined as "payment for recovery of unencumbered ownership".
Christ's Blood shed on the cross is payment for the ransom that leads to Christ's followers being bought unto slaves of God; moreover, the payment for the ransom is redemption of Christ's followers.
We slaves of God are set free from the punishment for sin.
When you wrote "Jesus didn't buy disciples", then, in effect, @CadyandZoe, you excluded yourself from the ransom that Jesus paid resulting you being under the punishment for sin.
Sound doctrine for salvation does not require scripture gymnastics or lengthily tirades to convince the willing listener. It is common that those who do so are in reality trying to convince themselves more than others.
I disagree. In order to understand the Biblical point of view, one must first understand the difference between "expiation", which is an act of reparation for guilt, and "taking away sins", which is a different thing entirely. Contrary to folk Christianity, which teaches that God punished his son for our sins rather than us; the New Testament teaches that God forgives our sins. And as Paul the apostle tells us, God was overlooking our sins when Jesus was on the cross.
Both the Catholics and the Protestants got it wrong. Consider the following passage from Romans 3:
Romans 3:24-26
. . . being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Christian culture currently teaches that God was punishing Jesus on the cross as a recompense for the sins of many; whereas Paul, as shown above, says that while Jesus was on the cross God was passing over our sins. God was not accepting the blood of Jesus as payment, recompense or the means to extinguish our guilt. God wasn't absolving people of guilt; he was ignoring it. As Paul says, justification is a gift of grace. If Christ was being punished in our place, our sins were discharged, not passed over, and justification would be a matter of merit, not grace.
Paul tells you the reason why Jesus volunteered to suffer the death penalty, which wasn't the expiation of sin. Jesus was on the cross to allow the Father "to demonstrate his righteousness" during a time of forbearance. And if Jesus' death on the cross paid for our sins, then the time of forbearance is over. But it isn't over. The time of forbearance continues. Romans 2:4
Both Peter and John tell us that Jesus was the lamb that came to take away the sins of the world. Jesus not only forgives sins, he takes them away entirely. What does it mean to take the sins away? First of all, taking the sins away means that our sins will no longer be remembered. Ezekiel 18:21-23 Hebrews 8:12 This is represented symbolically in the book of Revelation as believers wearing white robes. Secondly, not only does Jesus forgive sins, he has made it possible for God to totally remove sin from our life experience. One day we will be freed from this body of death. Romans 7:24-25
We discussed this. I had no idea that you didn't understand the concept of ransom and redemption.
Paul's point depends on the customary way that prisoners and slaves were given freedom. In order to gain freedom for the prisoner or slave, one pays a ransom payment to the jailer or the slave owner. Once the payment is made, the prisoner or slave is set free. Jesus came to set the prisoners free. Isaiah 61:1, Luke 4:18 How does he set them free? First, he gives sight to the blind.
And what imprisons them? Sin. John 8:34 The purchase price was to free us from sin. Romans 6:6 Ransom = freedom.
I pray that we all find the truth and give glory to God. I do not feel compelled to convince you.Those lacking sound doctrine tend to make posts devoid of the Word of God while using the precepts of men (Matthew 15:9) as their foundation.
Oh, look, that's precisely what you've done, @TEXBOW.
No person can believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent UNLESS Almighty God does a work in the person causing the person to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent.
The Word says "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29).
This means only people whom God chooses to impart belief in Jesus receive salvation; moreover, Christ died to cause the cleansing of His chosen believers (Acts 15:8-9).
I pray that we all find the truth and give glory to God. I do not feel compelled to convince you.
No its not, you just dont understand, and you promote salvation by works, and deny the saving efficacy of the death of Christ.If what you are saying is true, then universalism is correct doctrine.
Who was saved at the moment Jesus died on the cross?No its not, you just dont understand, and you promote salvation by works, and deny the saving efficacy of the death of Christ.
No its not, you just dont understand, and you promote salvation by works, and deny the saving efficacy of the death of Christ.
You wrote "God wasn't absolving people of guilt".
It is written "YHWH was pleased to crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of YHWH will prosper in His hand" (Isaiah 53:10).
Behold, both statements contain the word "guilt".
See the diametric opposition of your heart's thoughts against the Holy Scripture!
Paul wrote "the flesh desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh. For these are opposed to one another" (Galatians 5:17)
For a complete scriptural refutation of your writing, please see post #2475.
Your thoughts that you wrote are the precepts of men that leads to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).