Why was there a reformation?

[Bob Carabbio]

Heretics?

Heretics go to the roman catholic torture chambers, will it be (The Rack) (Judas Cradle) (The Wheel) (Hot Irons)?

Roman Catholicism is the unholy seat of satan, historical evil in torture and death of the innocent servants of God, the true church

BUT HEY!!!! At least the "Holy Roman Catholic CHurch COrp." doesn't murder folks that get in it's way any more!!! That's progress, at least. Now they've got a heretical universalist "Pope thing" running their show for them.

 

[quietthinker]

Nope, Scripture is not so simple kiddo.

Your theory is that as long as we, the disciples of Christ, love one another that makes us a member of The Church spoken of in Scripture? Thats your theory? There are over 180,000 words in the NT and you think that those 16 words boil down what The Church is? Who taught you that?

No organization in The Church? Throw all the passages that mentions elders and deacons? Throw out the passage that says that we are to give double honor to the elders that rule/lead well? The Apostles were not above the elders and the elders were not above the deacons and the deacon's were no better than the average Christian that loved his fellow Christian?? Throw out Matthew 18:17? After all, according to your theory, there is no organization in The Church soooooo who are those to men to go to so they can settle their difference? There is no one that can make the decisions who is right/wrong. Are you being serious???

Yes. The Church has a name. It is called The Church. It was first called catholic in the year 110AD by a bishop of The Church. Where you are getting confused at is you don't even know your own Christian history. You are confusing words used for denominations with The Church. And yes, it has a visible structure. Just like it did in NT times when they met at homes. Homes were their "church"! Until soooooo many people started attending that they had to build a separate Structure to accommodate the number of people that were attending. Don't you know this about your own Christian history? It's pretty simple.....

Sooooooo, based on your answer I am guessing you don't attend a church? Belong to any denomination? You're a lone wolf, sitting in your basement, reading the bible and interpreting Scripture on your own? Did I get that right?


Curious and Historical Mary

Mary, sorry, your attempts at snowing are past their use by date.

 

[TEXBOW]

Hey TEXBOW.

Why are you always foaming at the mouth to bad mouth The Pope and The Catholic Church???? The Luterans, Baptist, Methodist and multiple other Protestant denominations are structured just like The Church: a leader, dogma, doctrine, relics, religious garb etc etc. Can you share with me a post from you where you attack those Protestant denominations as much as you attack The Catholic Church???

Patient Mary

I focus on the lost masses first. The RCC belief in the infallibility of the Pope is a magnet for correction. You keep using the term foaming. I have no need to foam.

 

[Truth7t7]

BUT HEY!!!! At least the "Holy Roman Catholic CHurch COrp." doesn't murder folks that get in it's way any more!!! That's progress, at least. Now they've got a heretical universalist "Pope thing" running their show for them.

Try saying that to catholic countries in mexico, central and south America, speak against the church and the same evil applies, dont kid yourself

 

[Marymog]

I focus on the lost masses first. The RCC belief in the infallibility of the Pope is a magnet for correction. You keep using the term foaming. I have no need to foam.

Soooo let the record show that you can't provide a post from you where you attack your fellow protestants like you do The Church. Bias at it's core.

BTW...you got ANOTHER thing wrong (par for the course). The Church doesn't teach that the pope is infallible.

 

[Marymog]

Mary, sorry, your attempts at snowing are past their use by date.

Wow....such an articulate defense of your theory. Try to get a dig on me instead of saying something that backs up your theory.....how sad...for you.

 

[Marymog]

Oops - it was "Theefaith" (158) that made that statement - not you.

Of course I've heard the same thing from Romanists for decades. As usual in "VISIBLE CHURCH" Theological maters, both sides of a schism inevitably blame the other side for it. That's why the Romanists and the Orthodox WILL NEVER get together again, which is good for the Orthodox, and unfortunate for Rome.

But Since it was ROME that demanded that the Orthodox kow-Tow to THEIR POPE (all bishops were "Popes" before Rome grabbed the title exclusively for themselves), it's pretty obvious that ROme was the Schismatic denomination, becoming the first PROTESTANT sect. Luther's Holy Spirit inspired contribution was: "The Just BY HIS FAITH shall live", which Rome had forgotten, and in doing so essentially ERASED the value of "Jesus" in favor of their empty pageantry, and pagan "TRADITION".

Fascinating. So you believe that Martin Luther was inspired by the Holy Spirit. You must be a Lutheran?

 

[Marymog]

Roman Calholicism was founded by Constatine the Pagan Emperor, he donated the land and built St. Peter's Basilica, he is the one who created the Church/State

Roman Catholicism has been a persecutor of the true church for centuries, perhaps your ignorant of the Inquisition and the many papal bulls declaring "Heretics" and the torture chambers of The Catholic Church, the iron virgin, the rack, thumb screws, the stocks, hot irons, just to mention a few, satanic evil!

The Roman Catholic Church has been historic evil, and things haven't changed!

10 Torture devices used by the Catholic Church in the Inquisition

In 12th century torture became an integral part of all capital legal proceedings. Also, it was often practiced by the inquisition in most European countries in cases of heresy, blasphemy, adultery and many other similar ‘crimes against God’. Beside common means of torture like beating, suffocating and burning Roman-Catholic Church used others, more depraved ways of extracting confessions and execution of its victims

1. The Rack

This torture device was often used by the Church in Middle Ages as a quite effective way of confession extraction. Tortures would strap their victims across a board, bounding them by the ankles and wrists and then turning two wheels on each end in opposite direction of each other to the point where dislocation of every joint occurred. Besides regular one, an even gruesome version of the rack, with a grater-like surface going under the victim’s back, was used for heavier offenders.
offenders.

Truly a sad time in Christian history. It should have never happened.

Did you know your protestant brothers tortured and killed other Protestants and Catholics? Does that act by them nullify all their 'Holy Spirit inspired' dogma's, doctrines and beliefs?

 

[TEXBOW]

Truly a sad time in Christian history. It should have never happened.

Did you know your protestant brothers tortured and killed other Protestants and Catholics? Does that act by them nullify all their 'Holy Spirit inspired' dogma's, doctrines and beliefs?

It's a personal relationship with Christ, not a corporate membership. We do not need a Pope, we do not need a Pastor, we do not need a denomination to find salvation. If you think you do then you're adding merit upon the saving grace. We need only faith alone.

 

[quietthinker]

Fascinating. So you believe that Martin Luther was inspired by the Holy Spirit. You must be a Lutheran?

There ya go! Categorise and the argument is waterproof in your own mind! What a brilliant strategy. It cuts out all the work of getting to know and understand an individual. It reinforces the 'them and us' and ensures a neat and tidy conclusion.

....and how we long for neat and tidy....all the i's dotted, all the t's crossed.....and God as well as individuals can be put into our little box.....we can even wear funny clothes and hats to let the world know how ascended our understanding has become.

 

[TEXBOW]

Soooo let the record show that you can't provide a post from you where you attack your fellow protestants like you do The Church. Bias at it's core.

BTW...you got ANOTHER thing wrong (par for the course). The Church doesn't teach that the pope is infallible.

So the teachings of the Pope are not infallible? It's obvious that the Pope is not without sin. I think everyone understands that. So just to be clear, what the Pope teaches is infallible?

 

[Enoch111]

Did you know your protestant brothers tortured and killed other Protestants and Catholics?

This is true, but it does not justify what the Catholic Church did to those who exposed its false teachings and translated the Bible for the common man.

The Catholic Inquisition has no comparison to anything done by Protestants.
"The Inquisition was a powerful office set up within the Catholic Church to root out and punish heresy throughout Europe and the Americas. Beginning in the 12th century and continuing for hundreds of years, the Inquisition is infamous for the severity of its tortures and its persecution of Jews [and even converted Jews] and Muslims [as well as Catharists, Waldensians, Knights Templars, etc]. Its worst manifestation was in Spain, where the Spanish Inquisition was a dominant force for more than 200 years, resulting in some 32,000 executions...There were countless abuses of power. Count Raymond VII of Toulouse was known for burning heretics at the stake even though they had confessed. His successor, Count Alphonese, confiscated the lands of the accused to increase his riches.
Inquisition

The Catholic church had about 1,000 years to correct itself. But it never did. Then when the Reformation came about what did it do? Start a Counter-Reformation in order to entrench all its false doctrines. So there was no repentance on the part of the popes and the clergy.

 

[Truth7t7]

Truly a sad time in Christian history. It should have never happened.

Did you know your protestant brothers tortured and killed other Protestants and Catholics? Does that act by them nullify all their 'Holy Spirit inspired' dogma's, doctrines and beliefs?

Fact is, those who torture humans as seen in the Roman Catholic Church, directed by the Pope art Christian's, and Rome nor the Popesare a succession of Christianity

Roman Catholicism is a succession of satans evil and bondage, teaching many false doctrine

Luther gave 95, and there are more than that

To think of Catholics today claiming Roman Catholicism is the one true church, being in succession to Gods throne, with the dungeons of catholic torture of innocent Christian's that opposed its power "Evil"!

 

[Cassandra]

Already acting in the person of Christ even acting as mediator

No, no. no

IMO, this quote above is blasphemous.

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus."1 Timothy 2:5

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”John 14:6

 

[Truth7t7]

It's a personal relationship with Christ, not a corporate membership. We do not need a Pope, we do not need a Pastor, we do not need a denomination to find salvation. If you think you do then you're adding merit upon the saving grace. We need only faith alone.

Sounds like you have a hammer and a nail beating on a door, and he heard the knock and opened the door

 

[Truth7t7]

So the teachings of the Pope are not infallible? It's obvious that the Pope is not without sin. I think everyone understands that. So just to be clear, what the Pope teaches is infallible?

Of course they teach and believe the Pope is infallible, it's a pillar and foundation for the cult of Roman Catholicism

Dont forget the false doctrine of transubstantiation in the body and blood of Jesus Chist being actually present in the elements of sacrament?

That's morbid, and the vampires on late night tv ain't got nothing on that!

Wonder why the priest is walking sideways with double vision after 3-4 masses, its 18% alcohol in the chalice, with orders to the altar boy fill it up!

Sad part is, these Catholic posters really believe this stuff, I feel sorry for them, 100% bondage to man, that gives the false promise of salvation in their doctrines and works "Sad"!

Where does the Catholic Church get their wine?

[O-Neh-Da Vineyard in the Finger Lakes of NY is America’s oldest dedicated sacramental winery , operating strickly in accord with Canon law. Founded in 1872 by Rochester’s founding Bishop, Bernard J McQuaid, O-Neh-Da is the only certified valid ad licit estate producer of approbated sacramental wine .

What is the alcohol content of sacramental wine?
18%

 

[TEXBOW]

This is true, but it does not justify what the Catholic Church did to those who exposed its false teachings and translated the Bible for the common man.

The Catholic Inquisition has no comparison to anything done by Protestants.
"The Inquisition was a powerful office set up within the Catholic Church to root out and punish heresy throughout Europe and the Americas. Beginning in the 12th century and continuing for hundreds of years, the Inquisition is infamous for the severity of its tortures and its persecution of Jews [and even converted Jews] and Muslims [as well as Catharists, Waldensians, Knights Templars, etc]. Its worst manifestation was in Spain, where the Spanish Inquisition was a dominant force for more than 200 years, resulting in some 32,000 executions...There were countless abuses of power. Count Raymond VII of Toulouse was known for burning heretics at the stake even though they had confessed. His successor, Count Alphonese, confiscated the lands of the accused to increase his riches.
Inquisition

The Catholic church had about 1,000 years to correct itself. But it never did. Then when the Reformation came about what did it do? Start a Counter-Reformation in order to entrench all its false doctrines. So there was no repentance on the part of the popes and the clergy.

The cause of the dark ages.

 

[TEXBOW]

Sounds like you have a hammer and a nail beating on a door, and he heard the knock and opened the door

Not sure about the hammer and nail but through faith, I demoted the flesh and promoted the Holy Spirit.

 

[Marymog]

Fact is, those who torture humans as seen in the Roman Catholic Church, directed by the Pope art Christian's, and Rome nor the Popesare a succession of Christianity

Roman Catholicism is a succession of satans evil and bondage, teaching many false doctrine

Luther gave 95, and there are more than that

To think of Catholics today claiming Roman Catholicism is the one true church, being in succession to Gods throne, with the dungeons of catholic torture of innocent Christian's that opposed its power "Evil"!

Hi Truth, It sure would be nice if you spoke the truth. You don't even know your own Christian history. Luther DID NOT post 95 false doctrines of The Church. And now you are alleging that there were more than 95?

Sooooo are you even going to at least TRY and answer my question: Did you know your protestant brothers tortured and killed other Protestants and Catholics? Does that act by them nullify all their 'Holy Spirit inspired' dogma's, doctrines and beliefs? After all....you seem to be equating the Catholic churches alleged torture to false doctrines so if it holds true for The Church it must hold true for your Protestant forefathers.

Patient Mary

 

[Marymog]

This is true, but it does not justify what the Catholic Church did to those who exposed its false teachings and translated the Bible for the common man.

The Catholic Inquisition has no comparison to anything done by Protestants.
"The Inquisition was a powerful office set up within the Catholic Church to root out and punish heresy throughout Europe and the Americas. Beginning in the 12th century and continuing for hundreds of years, the Inquisition is infamous for the severity of its tortures and its persecution of Jews [and even converted Jews] and Muslims [as well as Catharists, Waldensians, Knights Templars, etc]. Its worst manifestation was in Spain, where the Spanish Inquisition was a dominant force for more than 200 years, resulting in some 32,000 executions...There were countless abuses of power. Count Raymond VII of Toulouse was known for burning heretics at the stake even though they had confessed. His successor, Count Alphonese, confiscated the lands of the accused to increase his riches.
Inquisition

The Catholic church had about 1,000 years to correct itself. But it never did. Then when the Reformation came about what did it do? Start a Counter-Reformation in order to entrench all its false doctrines. So there was no repentance on the part of the popes and the clergy.

Who decides what a false teaching is? Luther???

No comparison? So if I torture 1,000 people and you only torture 100 then you are more justified than I am? Weird....