Why was there a reformation?

[Marymog]

So the teachings of the Pope are not infallible? It's obvious that the Pope is not without sin. I think everyone understands that. So just to be clear, what the Pope teaches is infallible?

So the record stands to be true. You are biased. Thank you.

The pope is only supposed to repeat what the Church teaches. The teachings of The Church are infallible....not the pope. For you see the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth....Just like Scripture says.

 

[Marymog]

There ya go! Categorise and the argument is waterproof in your own mind! What a brilliant strategy. It cuts out all the work of getting to know and understand an individual. It reinforces the 'them and us' and ensures a neat and tidy conclusion.

....and how we long for neat and tidy....all the i's dotted, all the t's crossed.....and God as well as individuals can be put into our little box.....we can even wear funny clothes and hats to let the world know how ascended our understanding has become.

Huh???

 

[GodsGrace]

more than your pope. The authority was from Jesus who said to go out and spread the gospel. That is what they did, unlike you catholics and your fake “truth.”

More than your Pope?
This made me giggle LLS.
Jesus said to go into the world and teach what HE taught the Apostles.
The Apostles DID NOT teach anything from the WCF.
The WCF is full of bad news.

Could you tell me what the good news is?

 

[Waiting on him]

You all do realize that Protestants are merely protesting Catholics?

 

[GodsGrace]

hi Jane

that’s not scripture

Ephesians 4
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. ...

Romans 12:16
Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Romans 15:6
That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Philippians 1:27
Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Philippians 2:2
Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

1 Peter 3:8
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:

And “thee faith” is found 31 times in the New Testament

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism

2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

One lord and common salvation, so no personal lord and savior or personal covenants

Could you please explain your last sentence above?
(highlighted by me).

What do you mean by COMMON SALVATION?
What do you mean by NO PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR?

And there are personal covenants....

 

[Marymog]

The cause of the dark ages.

Hold on....HOLD ON....your kidding? Right?

The dark ages were from about 476 to about 1000 AD. The inquisitions were in the 12th century. How was the dark ages the cause of the Inquisitions when the dark ages came first???

 

[Marymog]

It's a personal relationship with Christ, not a corporate membership. We do not need a Pope, we do not need a Pastor, we do not need a denomination to find salvation. If you think you do then you're adding merit upon the saving grace. We need only faith alone.

Lol....That reminds we of a couple passages in Scripture that says opposite of what you say: James 2:24 and 2:18

Who should I believe? You or Scripture?

 

[Truth7t7]

Hi Truth, It sure would be nice if you spoke the truth. You don't even know your own Christian history. Luther DID NOT post 95 false doctrines of The Church. And now you are alleging that there were more than 95?

Sooooo are you even going to at least TRY and answer my question: Did you know your protestant brothers tortured and killed other Protestants and Catholics? Does that act by them nullify all their 'Holy Spirit inspired' dogma's, doctrines and beliefs? After all....you seem to be equating the Catholic churches alleged torture to false doctrines so if it holds true for The Church it must hold true for your Protestant forefathers.

Patient Mary

No christian or church promotes torture and killing, it's that simple

My succession is directly to the death, burial, and resurrection, I dont follow man or his teachings, Gods words and the Holy Spirit, all that's needed

There ya have it, I'm not a protestant, my lineage in Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Rome or Luther

Yes Roman Emperor Constatine is the father of Roman Catholicism, he built St. Petersburg Basilica and created the Roman Catholic State Church

Roman Catholicism in Holy Spirit inspired dogma?

You Mean Dogma that's "Bondage" To Man And His Evil Works!

When you think of Vatican City, It was the donated land and house, pagan Emperor Constatine Built, it's a sovereign nation because of Dictator Mussolini 1929, any claim on Apostolic succession is laughable, same applies to transubstantiation and the many other false doctrines in the State Church

 

[farouk]

What do you mean by COMMON SALVATION?

@GodsGrace I haven't read the whole thread, but in the King James anyway there is the phrase 'common salvation' at Jude 3...

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace I haven't read the whole thread, but in the King James anyway there is the phrase 'common salvation' at Jude 3...

Could you tell me what it means, or post the verse?
I'm not at my computer..

 

[farouk]

Could you tell me what it means, or post the verse?
I'm not at my computer..

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." (Jude 3)

 

[GodsGrace]

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." (Jude 3)

Thanks Farouk
What do you think Common Salvation means?

A salvation they had in common...

 

[Truth7t7]

Who decides what a false teaching is? Luther???

No comparison? So if I torture 1,000 people and you only torture 100 then you are more justified than I am? Weird....

Common sense determines that wine with alcohol remains in the chalice, after the priest claims to perform a magical prayer that mystically changes it, into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ

Santa Claus Flying Through The Sky On A Sled Pulled By Reindeer Is More Believable

Why does the wine have 18% alcohol before the magical prayer, instead of Grape Juice?

Because the priest is practicing indulgence, 4 masses and hes walking sideways and seeing double

Hard to believe people would believe such a story, as pinocchio's nose grows

 

[farouk]

Thanks Farouk
What do you think Common Salvation means?

A salvation they had in common...

@GodsGrace Yes, indeed, something like that.

I think the idea is of an individual experience that all believers share in, based as it is on the same, Biblical truths about the Person and work of Christ. (It's not at all the idea of signing up to an organization and institution and thus supposedly ipso facto being attributed with salvation also....)

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace Yes, indeed, something like that.

I think the idea is of an individual experience that all believers share in, based as it is on the same, Biblical truths about the Person and work of Christ. (It's not at all the idea of signing up to an organization and institution and thus supposedly ipso facto being attributed with salvation also....)

Agreed.
An institution can't save,,,only God can.

 

[GodsGrace]

Common sense determines that wine with alcohol remains in the chalice, after the priest claims to perform a magical prayer that mystically changes it, into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ

Santa Claus Flying Through The Sky On A Sled Pulled By Reindeer Is More Believable

Why does the wine have 18% alcohol before the magical prayer, instead of Grape Juice?

Because the priest is practicing indulgence, 4 masses and hes walking sideways and seeing double

Hard to believe people would believe such a story, as pinocchio's nose grows

You can't drink 4 glasses of wine in 4 hours without getting tipsy/drunk?

You know a priest that does 4 masses in 4 hours?

 

[Marymog]

Common sense determines that wine with alcohol remains in the chalice, after the priest claims to perform a magical prayer that mystically changes it, into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ

Santa Claus Flying Through The Sky On A Sled Pulled By Reindeer Is More Believable

Why does the wine have 18% alcohol before the magical prayer, instead of Grape Juice?

Because the priest is practicing indulgence, 4 masses and hes walking sideways and seeing double

Hard to believe people would believe such a story, as pinocchio's nose grows

You didn't answer the question. Par for the course.

huh....

 

[Marymog]

No christian or church promotes torture and killing, it's that simple

My succession is directly to the death, burial, and resurrection, I dont follow man or his teachings, Gods words and the Holy Spirit, all that's needed

There ya have it, I'm not a protestant, my lineage in Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Rome or Luther

Yes Roman Emperor Constatine is the father of Roman Catholicism, he built St. Petersburg Basilica and created the Roman Catholic State Church

Roman Catholicism in Holy Spirit inspired dogma?

You Mean Dogma that's "Bondage" To Man And His Evil Works!

When you think of Vatican City, It was the donated land and house, pagan Emperor Constatine Built, it's a sovereign nation because of Dictator Mussolini 1929, any claim on Apostolic succession is laughable, same applies to transubstantiation and the many other false doctrines in the State Church

Oh, but you do follow a man. You follow yourself. You tell yourself what the truth is and you follow it soooooo stop being so silly.

If your not Catholic or Orthodox your Protestant. You can't change that accepted fact kiddo.

Ok....you believe that The Church teaches false doctrines. That means YOU must know what is a true doctrine. You can only know something is false if you know what is true. Who taught you this "truth"?

 

[Truth7t7]

You can't drink 4 glasses of wine in 4 hours without getting tipsy/drunk?

You know a priest that does 4 masses in 4 hours?

Masses in America are roughly 1-1.5 hours in populated areas, is there a priest in america that does at least 3 masses in 4 hours , yes

It appears your dont believe in transubstantiation, because you agree that drinking wine that's 18% alcohol will get a priest tipsy/drunk, therefore acknowledging its wine and not actually the blood of Jesus?

 

[Enoch111]

Ok....you believe that The Church teaches false doctrines.

Here's a good recent example:
Catholic University Displays Painting of George Floyd as Jesus
"Yes, it’s ridiculous and worse, but remember: laughing at this foolishness will get you denounced as a “blasphemer,” that is, a “racist,” and cast into the outer darkness."
Catholic University Displays Painting of George Floyd as Jesus