New Covenant only for Jews?

[Mike Tang 1991]

Why does it say the "New Covenant" Jesus made is only for the Jews?

Hebrews 8:8 - But God found fault with the people and said: “The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

 

[bbyrd009]

Why does it say the "New Covenant" Jesus made is only for the Jews?

well, if you read the whole thing, maybe not,
27“The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and of beast

 

[Keraz]

Why does it say the "New Covenant" Jesus made is only for the Jews?

Hebrews 8:8 - But God found fault with the people and said: “The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

The House of Israel is not the same as the House of Judah. They remain separate, to be rejoined after the Lord's Day of fiery wrath. Jeremiah 50:4-5
Note: that this is when the New Covenant will be made. With all the Christian believers.

 

[amigo de christo]

New covenant only for jews . YEAH RIGHT . NEW COVENANT includes ONLY THE JEWS AND GENTILES that BELIEVE IN JESUS .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

well, if you read the whole thing, maybe not,
27“The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and of beast

Passage is in a different context. If we are to accept what you are implying, then animals willb e considered part of Israel, and god will forgive their sins and write His laws in the hearts of hamsters, parakeets, cows, chickens etc. That will not happen.

 

[bbyrd009]

Passage is in a different context. If we are to accept what you are implying, then animals willb e considered part of Israel, and god will forgive their sins and write His laws in the hearts of hamsters, parakeets, cows, chickens etc. That will not happen.

ah well i doubt that literal animals are being discussed there? dunno
and i didnt mean to imply anything!

 

[Davy]

Why does it say the "New Covenant" Jesus made is only for the Jews?

Hebrews 8:8 - But God found fault with the people and said: “The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

Romans 3
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
¶ 9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
¶ 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
¶ 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
KJV

 

[Lambano]

I think I'd play it this way. Start with Galatians 3:28-29:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

Followed up by Philippians 3:3 (and noting that "the circumcision" is a synecdoche for "The Jews"):

For we are the circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus ...

We believers in Christ have been grafted onto Israel (Romans 11:17-24). We are Abraham's descendants and heirs to the promises made to him. We ARE "The Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16).

 

[nenagana]

Why does it say the "New Covenant" Jesus made is only for the Jews?

Hebrews 8:8 - But God found fault with the people and said: “The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

EZEKIEL 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions:

1. Isreal and Judah
2. Ephraim "Disappointed by Joseph"

The Genealogy of Matthew that details the disappointment of Joseph (wasting god's mercies or being convicted when joseph appears) (joseph's absence as compared to luke's genealogy with the same individuals in view relatively)...................solomon's wive is mentioned that is tied to ephraim (jews), solomon's wife that is tied to "genetic dan" is not mentioned in that genealogy.

(this means that the jewish people should be kicked out of jerusalem/isreal, following RABIES, and perhaps some earth field excitation..............and those other unclean genetic lines may just take their place there in jerusalem, they may not be impacted as much) (the ousting of the jews, so that is zechariah 14, jeremiah 4/8, and hebrews 8, and perhaps more statements about that)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

ah well i doubt that literal animals are being discussed there? dunno
and i didnt mean to imply anything!

There is no reason to doubt that these are literal animals.
Vses 27-30 is one thought where God is saying He will populate the land with people and animals and 31-34 is Hisw promise of a new covenant.

Though found in one chapter, they are two different thoughts sent from God.

 

[bbyrd009]

There is no reason to doubt that these are literal animals.

id say there might be quite a bit, but i dont know

we also have passages that mention how the wild animals must needs be driven out before the Hebrews can take full possession, right

 

[Ronald Nolette]

id say there might be quite a bit, but i dont know

we also have passages that mention how the wild animals must needs be driven out before the Hebrews can take full possession, right

That was when they entered the promised land- so the weeds would not overrun the land. Good application on how god does not remove all our faults at once. Forgives them all then goes about removing them according to His plan.

 

[bbyrd009]

That was when they entered the promised land- so the weeds would not overrun the land. Good application on how god does not remove all our faults at once. Forgives them all then goes about removing them according to His plan.

ah, i didnt recall “weeds” being a part of that passage, hmm

 

[marks]

Why does it say the "New Covenant" Jesus made is only for the Jews?

Hebrews 8:8 - But God found fault with the people and said: “The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

I'm guessing because that is what He meant.

Gentiles benefit by being brought near, and In Christ we share in redemption and rebirth. But we don't enter God's covenants with Israel.

Much love!

 

[Cassandra]

I'm guessing because that is what He meant.

Gentiles benefit by being brought near, and In Christ we share in redemption and rebirth. But we don't enter God's covenants with Israel.

Much love!

Can you give me the Scripture for the being brought near that the Gentiles benefit from that you are speaking of ? I need to look at it. Graci.

And Romans 2:28,28 and Gal 3:28, 29. needs to be explained if what you are saying is true.

 

[marks]

Can you give me the Scripture for the being brought near that the Gentiles benefit from that you are speaking of ? I need to look at it. Graci.

And Romans 2:28,28 and Gal 3:28, 29. needs to be explained if what you are saying is true.

Ephesians 2:12-22 KJV
12) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16) And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17) And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18) For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

In Christ there is neither Greek nor Jew, instead, "one new man". I'm not aware of any place that extends the New Covenant God promised to Israel and Judah to the gentiles. In the above I read that through Christ we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

James and the Apostles in Acts 15 affirmed that the New Covanent was not what was in place in the Gentile believers, as they were not instructed to keep the Mosaic Law.

If the Mosaic Law were "written on their hearts", there would be no question, they would just be doing it all. That's what the New Covenant promises.

Jeremiah 31:31-36 KJV
31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Ezekiel 36:24-28 KJV
24) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25) Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26) A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27) And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28) And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Were we gentile believes in the current age to be recipients of this New Covenant, most or all of our debates would be over. We would be perfect Lawkeepers, fulfilling the the human side of the Mosaic Covenant, as God fulfills all the blessings promised. But that describes the kingdom age.

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

ah, i didnt recall “weeds” being a part of that passage, hmm

Well it is one of the parables. And it shows that wheat is wheat (believers) and weeds are weeds (unbelievers) weeds do not become wheat and goats do not turn to sheep!

Jesus did not say I go to find the lost goats and turn them into sheep, He said I am going to find the lost sheep.

 

[marks]

And Romans 2:28,28 and Gal 3:28, 29. needs to be explained if what you are saying is true.

Romans 2:26-29 KJV
26) Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27) And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

I relate this to Romans 9-11, where Paul is addressing the question of, what about Israel? The redeemer came to Zion, but not all Israel is saved?

In ch. 9 he basically presents that 'not all of Abraham's kids are Israel, but the one promised, Isaac. And not all Isaac's kids are Israel, but the one chosen, Jacob. And not all of Jacob's kids are truly Israel, but the faithful.'

So when I look back to ch. 2, just being born Jewish, just being circumsized, that's not the point, but to really be a Jew, your circumcision needs be of the heart.

This defines who is and who is not "the Israel of God", as Paul names in Galatians. But is does not define the gentiles as the "Israel of God".

Galatians 3:28 KJV
28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

If in fact there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ, how is this an argument that gentiles enter God's covenant with Israel and Judah?

Much love!

 

[bbyrd009]

And it shows that wheat is wheat (believers) and weeds are weeds (unbelievers)

well wadr those are your divisions…i mean who defines these “believers?” Believers in…what?

weeds do not become wheat and goats do not turn to sheep!

well, so you say anyway; got Bible for that though? What is a sheep/goat, after all? What if i suggested that you are likely being a goat, right now? Not meaning that you actually are bc i dont know, but to point out that we define these things to suit ourselves, usually

i mean why else might Yah tell us to not be pulling tares iyo?

He said I am going to find the lost sheep

did He? Are you sure?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

well, so you say anyway; got Bible for that though? What is a sheep/goat, after all? What if i suggested that you are likely being a goat, right now? Not meaning that you actually are bc i dont know, but to point out that we define these things to suit ourselves, usually

i mean why else might Yah tell us to not be pulling tares iyo?

Look at the parables in Matt Mark and Luke.

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

2 Timothy 2:19
King James Version

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

John 4:35
Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

Mt. 13:25-40

Matthew 25:31-33
King James Version

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Ephesians 1:4
King James Version

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


Evangelism is simply going out and bringing in the harvest of wheat into teh masters barns, or going and finding and bringing in the lost sheep.