You Have the Spirit of Truth in you, do you not? (Rhetorical ?) You have the Unction of the Holy Ghost? Do You trust in HIM to guide you into all Truth or do you trust your own intellect? My Intellect has let me down so many times I cannot count them so I have learned to lean on the Unction of the Holy Ghost and His ability to lead us into Truth.
Is this a prophetic fulfillment? Fig tree prophecy
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You Have the Spirit of Truth in you, do you not? (Rhetorical ?) You have the Unction of the Holy Ghost? Do You trust in HIM to guide you into all Truth or do you trust your own intellect? My Intellect has let me down so many times I cannot count them so I have learned to lean on the Unction of the Holy Ghost and His ability to lead us into Truth.
Don't assume this or that.
Don't change the subject to me as you so often do.
We should not expect to understand the Bible without the Holy Spirit leading. That's Christianity 101. I'd like to think we all understand that by this time.
Much love!
What You see as a commonly held misunderstanding has been confirmed as a Spiritual truth by the Spirit of Truth in me. Have you ever had the Holy Spirit confirm a Truth to you before? If so you will understand this. Much of Christianity is based on this, from doctrines such as the deity of Christ to the Rapture, which not plain and evident in the text of Scripture are confirmed by the Holy Spirit to be true. This is what Unction is all about and you can see this in 1 John 2:20-27.
I Didn't assume anything I asked a rhetorical question. The idea being to point to the commonality in all believers of the Spirit being our teacher and guide in all Truth.
Stumpmaster
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Check out Harold Camping, the false prophet whose Doomsday predictions failed much to the embarrassment of his followers:
Quote from Allegorical Interpretation Of The Bible - Nelson.ink
. . . Camping treated everything in the Bible as though it were a parable with symbolic meaning. In other words, the text means more than what we see at its face-value. It has, he said, deeper, spiritual meaning. And millions followed him because he convinced them this was a proper way to interpret Scripture.
Blessings in Christ Jesus Marks! All who make a difference on behalf of The Lord and His Kingdom will be a target of the enemy. Some more, some less. For your friend, it was a whispering in the ear. The same has happened to me in times past. Perhaps, you should contact your friend, after this year and encourage him and build him up again. He would do the same for you. I have learned that whenever I have a whispering in the ear, that I ask myself, what would the enemy gain by this, for the enemy does nothing if there is nothing in it for him. Figs and yogart, absolutely, I have pomegranate seeds defrosting on the counter as I write. A Good whispering in the ear told me that cancer and these do not get along.LOL
So you are insistent that you want me to tell you about me? OK.
It seems this time I may.
Yes, I most certainly have. I've come to astounding realizations from the Bible that have revolutionized my faith, and transformed my life. I find the Bible is that way. Daily I find new exressions of God's truth in His Word, amazing intricacies, how can I even being to describe my awe at His Word?? Just about every time I open my Bible it's with an active anticipation of what He's going to show me. When I come to things I don't understand, I ask Him, and He teaches me. Sometimes by dropping a verse into my mind. Or pointing me to read a section.
Often times I'll not see where He's going with His lesson, but by the end I understand, and often find my answers in very unexpected places. And in passages I've read many times. Sometimes it will be to connect in my mind previously unconnected passages.
The message interwoven together is so rich and so liberating, well, I could go on and on.
And I've never once, not once, found any spiritual understanding of Scripture to conflict with any written statement in the Bible. Oh yes, I have ideas sometimes, and I sometimes have held ideas picked up from others, like this one, but I've learned to let go of them immediately when I find a conflict, such as this one.
And without exception, I've later found the substantiation that such a move was correct. God has always shown me either the support or the negation of any idea I happen to find in my head about applications and understandings of the Bible. And when I'm asking Him for answers, He shows them to me.
I don't have to wonder whether my ideas are correct, so long they are written.
And here's the key point I want to make.
In just about every single case where I've found I needed to adjust my understanding, I've seen how my new understandings bring me more in line with the plain readings of Scripture, and remove inconsistencies and conflicts. More, not less.
I've had opportunity for God to show me truth in the Bible and then go on to show me how that truth is substantiated throughout Scripture.
And against this, I have you telling me to ignore the words I read, that Jesus was actually talking about something else. And if I were to accept that, again, all these contradictions suddenly arise that didn't exist before. And still you insist this is the true spiritual meaning.
So whatever spiritual meaning that someone thinks they understand, I'm going to compare it to the Bible, test all things, hold fast to what is good. Which means what agrees with Scripture.
Much love!
I used to hear him on the radio sometimes. Interesting fellow! I understand he suffered from quite a bit of regret in his later years, after he realized the fruit of what he had been doing was not the fruit he had desired.
Much love!
I'm not sure I can even find him anymore, but I remain prayerful! I'd love to see him again!
Much love!
If there were a100 needles in 100 hay stakes, all around the world, how many needles would The Lord find? All of them, for there is nothing hidden from the eyes of The Lord. Just yesterday, my only remaining half sister was found. I have only seen her once in 62 years. Have a Blessed Day!
amigo de christo
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Matthew 24:6-8: – 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes/turmoil in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matthew 24:13-14: – 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Matthew 24:29-30: – 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars/angels will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then/then at that time all the tribes of the earth will mourn,
Matthew 24:32: – 32 "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.
Matthew 24:34-35: – 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation/age will by no means pass away/go by till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away/go by, but My words will by no means pass away/go by.
There is much unpacking to be down with these verses quoted above.
People claim that they read the scripture literally, but the truth of the matter is that they read the scriptures through the bias of what they have been taught and as such, if the bias of what they are taught is flawed, then their understanding of the scriptures is also flawed.
The English translations that we use leave a lot to be desired and they certainly lead us astray with respect to the source texts from which they were translated. I have made a few corrections in the above quoted verses which changes the thrust of the passages and causes a very different understanding.
In verse 7, are we not in the times of famine, pestilence and turmoil at this present time?
In verse 14, will not this gospel of the kingdom be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, after which the end will come?
Inverse 29, will not the angels fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken in our near future?
In verse 30, will not the sign of the Son of Man appear in heaven at this same time when the angels fall from heaven, when He is given dominion over all of the earth?
In verse 30, will not, at that time, all the tribes of the earth, mourn, when they see the calamity that they are in?
In Verse 32, are we not told when the season of great harvest will begin when we read: - “When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near”?
In verse 34 and 35 are we not given assurance that the age of the great harvest will not go by until all the above has happened. That the heavens and the earth may go by but Christ’s words will not go by unfulfilled.
Does the literal reading of the scriptures give us this understanding? Do other methods of reading the scriptures give us this understanding? Do not the methods of reading the scriptures only lead to many words of disagreement?
Has not God’s words been hidden from our understanding until such time that they become relevant for us to know?
Much will happen at the end of this age and the beginning of the next age, as God raises up a Nation of Priests, a Holy Nation and His possession among the nations to bring about the Great harvest of souls during the last Age of redemption for all of mankind who seek it.
Shalom
Matthew 24:13-14: – 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Matthew 24:29-30: – 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars/angels will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then/then at that time all the tribes of the earth will mourn,
Matthew 24:32: – 32 "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.
Matthew 24:34-35: – 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation/age will by no means pass away/go by till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away/go by, but My words will by no means pass away/go by.
There is much unpacking to be down with these verses quoted above.
People claim that they read the scripture literally, but the truth of the matter is that they read the scriptures through the bias of what they have been taught and as such, if the bias of what they are taught is flawed, then their understanding of the scriptures is also flawed.
The English translations that we use leave a lot to be desired and they certainly lead us astray with respect to the source texts from which they were translated. I have made a few corrections in the above quoted verses which changes the thrust of the passages and causes a very different understanding.
In verse 7, are we not in the times of famine, pestilence and turmoil at this present time?
In verse 14, will not this gospel of the kingdom be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, after which the end will come?
Inverse 29, will not the angels fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken in our near future?
In verse 30, will not the sign of the Son of Man appear in heaven at this same time when the angels fall from heaven, when He is given dominion over all of the earth?
In verse 30, will not, at that time, all the tribes of the earth, mourn, when they see the calamity that they are in?
In Verse 32, are we not told when the season of great harvest will begin when we read: - “When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near”?
In verse 34 and 35 are we not given assurance that the age of the great harvest will not go by until all the above has happened. That the heavens and the earth may go by but Christ’s words will not go by unfulfilled.
Does the literal reading of the scriptures give us this understanding? Do other methods of reading the scriptures give us this understanding? Do not the methods of reading the scriptures only lead to many words of disagreement?
Has not God’s words been hidden from our understanding until such time that they become relevant for us to know?
Much will happen at the end of this age and the beginning of the next age, as God raises up a Nation of Priests, a Holy Nation and His possession among the nations to bring about the Great harvest of souls during the last Age of redemption for all of mankind who seek it.
Shalom
Camping's theories were Just that, theories. He based his eschatology on endless calculations from scripture... in other words he was applying human logic and intellect to the extreme to interpret the Word of God, which is exactly what I am saying you and others are doing here in the inverse by using textualism to deny the deeper meaning of Scripture. The P'shat meaning is never to be contradicted when PARDES is done right, But even PARDES can fall victim to the human intellect over divine revelation By the Spirit of Truth, case and point being the first century Jewish scribes and Pharisees.
Without the Holy Ghost teaching us, all a our mental capacities to understand the fulness of the Word of God are vain. We can understand the surface meaning with our mind, but the deep things of God require The interpretation of the Author and one who inspired those scriptures to fully understand. (2 Peter 1:19-21)
I Am NOT telling you to ignore The words of Jesus, But rather encouraging you to see the deeper meaning in those words. For example, the word trinity is not to be found in scripture, yet the doctrine is Spiritually Discerned By those who Know Jesus As revealed by the Spirit. Those who Know Jesus know that He Was and Is and Is to come This being the very name of Jehovah as being given in the Old Testament. By the same token we also Know Him as diverse from the Father, who is our advocate with the Father. It is beyond human comprehension to fully understand the trinity Yet any who are His Know this is true, that Jesus is both God incarnate, as well as the Son of God.
Now we can make a doctrine or a creed and agree with that creed, But we can also know for sure the Truth of this by way of divine revelation from the Spirit of Truth, and the unction he gives us. To Know the deity of Christ is to experience fulness of the Love of God for us. To Know the Son of God is to Know that he lived as an example to us of How we can live and overcome in this world by his shed Blood.
I Have seen many people try to explain and argue the trinity to non-trinitarians, I myself have tried numerous times, But ultimately it is not something you can teach them But a truth the Holy Ghost has to reveal to them.
The Point I am making is that the simple literal text of scripture is just that, a simple literal text, no different than the Hindu or Muslim Holy Books, It is when the text comes to life that empowered by the Holy Ghost That the Word of God rises above those other religious texts. If you want to keep the word of God as simple literal text, you are denying the power thereof. There are Truths in scripture Hidden from the wise of this world which REQUIRE Spiritual discernment to understand and to deny this is deny the simple literal text that states this such as Jesus' explanation for why he used parables, Or Paul's explanation of the folly of worldly wisdom to understand scriptures, or the fact that prophecies have been sealed up until the time of revelation as determined by the Spirit of Truth. We need to seek that revelation, Not quench it as textualism does.
These deeper Truths will not contradict the simple literal text, but rather empower and enrich us in our Spiritual Journey.
What you are doing is insisting I accept your version over the straightforward reading. And you even claim to support the straightforward readings, but then you still promote views that conflict with said straightforward readings.
You make the same claims everyone makes, that you have the real spiritual insights to understand the hidden mysteries, and I should just accept that as true.
I do the same with you as I do with everyone else, I compare your teachings to the Bible and hold to what is good.
You mention the Trinity, what a great example of what I'm talking about! There are many places where the straightforward reading of the passages tell us without uncertainty that the Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and there is only One God. You don't need to "understand hidden mysteries" to see that. You just have to read the Bible, and believe what it says.
For one thing, the Bible is NOTHING like the Koran, or the Vedas, or whatever. Nothing whatsoever.
Of course, you will not understand it without the Holy Spirit, but just as demons are not like the Holy Spirit, the Koran is not like the Bible.
Read what it says, believe what it says.
And as always, your unwavering assesment of anyone who disagrees with you. OR just me in particular. No, I've seen you target others this way.
A rather empty assertion, if you ask me! "You don't agree with me, therefore you are interpreting the Bible without the Spirit". Keep going with that if you want, but it's vanity. Empty and meaningless.
At the end of the day, here's the difference between you and I. I believe what the Bible says, and you believe things the Bible doesn't say, and that conflict with what it does say.
You acknowledge that what it says is true. But you continue to assert things that conflict with that. You overturn the plain meaning of Scripture and support that action by claiming spiritual understanding of hidden mysteries.
Much love!
Ronald David Bruno
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Just an analogy. It points us to the events that are happening. the "beginning of sorrows" spoken of in Matthew 24: wars, rumors of wars, pestilence, famine, earthquakes in various places, but the key verse is verse 14. We weren't waiting for this date palm, but that is fascinating. They have found honey in the pyramids, heated it up and it was still good.
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Yes, I concur. I think the time is growing short and the end of days are here. I have noticed many archeological findings lately too as if the Lord is opening up a box of hidden treasures that show his people of the past and are there now. I miss Eilat Mazar. She found what she believed was King David's palace, a lot of ancient Jewish artifacts,and even the Bulla of King Hezekiah and possibly (in the same location) the bulla of Isaiah the prophet. She was famous for digging on the southern side of the temple mount. She died too early IMO but Lord knows.
That's an interesting statement.
Are you so sure? Do you mean apart from the revelation of the Holy Spirit? I don't think so. I think you can read along a narrative, you can understand that Jesus walked on water, though maybe not believe it, or that Paul wrote to the Roman people, but you'll never understand the teachings of the Bible without Him. You can read the words, but you won't understand them.
The Holy Spirit will not, I do not think, tell the children of God anything ever that conflicts with what He wrote in His Book.
Any time, any time, I don't care when, where, who, what, whatever, Anytime someone says of a verse, or treats it according, "It SAYS this, but it MEANS that", I know that's not true. In every instance.
In the Parable of the Fig tree, and in Luke, the Parable of all the trues, the parable is given as a simile, and is explained by Jesus. Therefore, that's what it is, and that's what it means. In the straightforward reading of the passage, this is a parable teaching that in the same way that you can see the signs of the seasons, so also you will be able to see the signs of the times.
I will continue to assert, that by coming to fully understand the straightforward reading of Scripture that we come to God's intended meaning. That there are things hidden, there are deep understandings, but those are all reached as the Holy Spirit guides us into the true understanding but based in the Words He Himself wrote, and, here's the key, to me,
When we reach those understandings, those deep and hidden mysteries, we will see how they have been written in the plain words all along, and failing to take each word fully and seriously kept that hidden from us. Once the Holy Spirit reveals truth to us, we don't have to wonder about it, because we will see how it is written plainly and clearly and simply, and we will have the full and straightforward authority of the Bible, without question.
When we go on to teach those truths, we can merely point to those places where it is plainly taught, and encourage others to beleive what they read.
Much love!
Yes I agree, I always wondered where it says the earth comes to the rescue of the Woman if that meant archeological discoveries bearing light on the veracity of scripture.
For me personally, the date palm gave me a sense of peace and comfort knowing we are that much closer to His Return, Even if it is "nothing" as some here try to argue. The figtree has put forth its leaves, that may have happened in 1948 or 1967 symbolically, but it has also happened physically in 2011 to now where there is fruit on the trees. Meaning we are truly in the season of His Return.
For me this is worthy of rejoicing.
God Bless
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