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They do seem to, but when they are put together they don’t.
For instance, the easiest verse to see the apparent contradiction in is:
Don’t answer a fool according to his folly or you will become just like him.
Answer a fool according to his folly or he will become wise in his own eyes.
But the entire Bible is like that. Hence the arguments.
Brakelite
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Correct. The fire cannot be quenched. What happens to fire when the fuel is spent?
Lol, you're on a roll
Would be comforting to know that unbelievers will not be tormented for eternity, it's just all those other pesky verses that have me so confused like all the ones Jesus talked about, concerning the fate of the goats and such. And the Epistles. Tough to reconcile them all and come to any final conclusion.
Sure would love to be persuaded!Lol, you're on a roll
Would be comforting to know that unbelievers will not be tormented for eternity, it's just all those other pesky verses that have me so confused like all the ones Jesus talked about, concerning the fate of the goats and such. And the Epistles. Tough to reconcile them all and come to any final conclusion.
Well, in your searching, don’t forget there are two judgements and two resurrections. One is before the thousand years and another is after the thousand years. It helps to remember that as you read.
Brakelite
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And sometimes.. No, oftentimes, we come to the scriptures with a certain mindset in place. Until certain nuances are actually pointed out to us, we simply don't see. Unless of course we don't want to. Then anything goes.
Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Brakelite
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In a present northern clime with snow and ice and hail and storms etc etc etc, that isn't much of a recommendation for us. I mean, where would you go? Build a snow man to punch?
Meanwhile, please no bashing in my absence. It's 34°C and I'm sitting in an air conditioned car waiting for my wife... Heading for the beach. See ya.
BarneyFife
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AMEN. The very bane of Christian discussion platforms' existence: Obedience is legalism and variance is consignment to the flames.
Lol, you're on a roll
Would be comforting to know that unbelievers will not be tormented for eternity, it's just all those other pesky verses that have me so confused like all the ones Jesus talked about, concerning the fate of the goats and such. And the Epistles. Tough to reconcile them all and come to any final conclusion.
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
It says the fire will be eternal. Why do you think men are born eternal? Has it come from specific verses you’ve read or did you take another mans word for it?
Brakelite
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And according to the Pope, and maybe some here, proselytization is against religious liberty.
"What could possibly go wrong? <----Thanks, needed the laugh!
oh my gosh I laughed until I was in pain!
Yes, the fire is eternal and the worm never dies. Don't recall saying men are born eternal...? I used to argue that the FIRE and THE WORM would be forever but could go no further as I got stopped up at every turn, so I just let this go for the time being. Now, my interest is re-piqued. No, no preacher, teacher, book that I can recall brought it to me...it could have even been someone on here at one point where I hear things and, I DO know enough to be a "Berean"
Nite nite!
BarneyFife
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Pluralism is the very order of the day, inside and outside the church. The only thing that distinguishes the Christian from the worldling is a few odd habits and a profession of faith. It might be considered bashing to many, but if no one said it the rocks would cry out.
I believe what I once heard a great man of God say:
Standards in the macro; compassion in micro. When dealing with many, let the truth be proclaimed. When dealing with the lone, trembling soul, treat them with the understanding that mimics Christ in His dealings with the oppressed.
quietthinker
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You're trying to reconcile a western way of understanding and Jewish idiom.....thats where the problem lies.Lol, you're on a roll
Would be comforting to know that unbelievers will not be tormented for eternity, it's just all those other pesky verses that have me so confused like all the ones Jesus talked about, concerning the fate of the goats and such. And the Epistles. Tough to reconcile them all and come to any final conclusion.
If you get to the core of the Jewish idiom the mystery evaporates but if you insist on a western way of seeing you will have God behaving in unbelievably cruel ways reflecting the nature of the devil.
BarneyFife
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I just assumed, since you said it would be comforting to know unbelievers won’t be tormented for eternity but you can’t make that determination…to be tormented forever a man would have to have eternal life in him other than through the Holy Spirit in the new birth.
quietthinker
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a google search delivers all those texts you can't find.....oh, you couldn't find them....then they're not there.....ask googleYes, the fire is eternal and the worm never dies. Don't recall saying men are born eternal...? I used to argue that the FIRE and THE WORM would be forever but could go no further as I got stopped up at every turn, so I just let this go for the time being. Now, my interest is re-piqued. No, no preacher, teacher, book that I can recall brought it to me...it could have even been someone on here at one point where I hear things and, I DO know enough to be a "Berean"
Nite nite!
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