A Spiritual Christian does not sin.

[Faithful]

Morning jdbrown,

True. If we were entirely spiritual, we would not sin. However, as long as we are in this world, we will not be entirely spiritual.

Read Romans 7

I think we are causing a cross roads where none exist.

We confuse sometimes the working of God within us with instant change.

The virgins... continually renewed the oil in their lamps whilst the othes didn't. All believed in Jesus and waited for the return.
The wise virgins continually trimmed their wickes and renewed the oil which caused the needing of the trimming.

The Holy Spirit shows us the things that are wrong in our lives and as we prune them we are filled even more with his presence.

The sign of the Spirit is our lives is not really shown just by what we believe. Because the NT taught that no one could say " Jesus is Lord" but by the power of the Holy Spirit. So the renewal of the oil is about listening and obeying the Spirit.
The more we trim away the old because of the Spirits leading the more we are filed with the Spirit.

Our lives and our actions reveal the real presence of the Holy Spirit. The more we trim away the old the more we are filled with his presence. Peter received the Spirit but still he stopped eating the things considered unclean by the Jews when they came into his presence. However could we see that as not wanting to offend their consciences?

The Spirit knows us best, our intentions and our hearts. Look at Acts 5.

[sup]3 [/sup]But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[sup]4 [/sup]Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

God does not take over our free will to act. The lie was the amount that he told them he received. When he handed over the money he only had to say this was not the full amount. No one would have disputed that.
The believers shared everything but with the Spirit why did they require a little money set aside?

Sometimes we fail because we do not fully trust God. But the bible in the NT and the OT suggests that we are not worry about the things of this world that God is working for our good in everything.

So being in the Spirit would appear a continual pruning of us and us obeying and so receivng more.

 

[Yies1]

We are "entirely spiritual", We are also temporary Physical. If there is a physical body then there is also a spiritual body. Sin has nothing to do with the physical or spiritual body, sin is more to do with .... Am I a mature loving being, who is able to live for the sake of others. Or am I just a selfish person?

Sin is a selfish act either in the physical or spiritual body.

What we reap is what we sow. If we are selfish in the physical realm, so therefore shall we be selfish in the spiritual realm.

 

[whitestone]

A Spiritual Christian will not commit a deliberate sin.



(Hebrews 10:26) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.”



(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people?”





(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.”



(1 John 5:18) “ We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him”



(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”

Yes, Amen.

 

[Episkopos]

We are "entirely spiritual", We are also temporary Physical. If there is a physical body then there is also a spiritual body. Sin has nothing to do with the physical or spiritual body, sin is more to do with .... Am I a mature loving being, who is able to live for the sake of others. Or am I just a selfish person?

Sin is a selfish act either in the physical or spiritual body.

What we reap is what we sow. If we are selfish in the physical realm, so therefore shall we be selfish in the spiritual realm.

You are missing the point of the maturing of the soul INTO becoming lined up with a full dependence on the Holy Spirit. Becoming spiritual in Christ is to walk exactly as Jesus did. As He IS so are WE in this world.

 

[whitestone]

Nice posts thankful 1

It seems that some folks don't recognize that the New Covenant Holy Spirit is Christ Resurrected and Glorified and "shed abroad" upon believers starting at Pentecost.
(Which did NOT exist in the Old Testament times, it was only a looked forward to "promise")

We who are of THIS Spirit, are of the Kingdom of God and know and understand the things of the Spirit and the things of the Kingdom of God. For Jesus Himself has COME in us by His Glorious Holy Spirit and opens our eyes and gives us to know all things;

(Joh 7:37)

Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

(Joh 7:38)

He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

(Joh 7:39)

But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed on him were to receive: for the Spirit was not yet given; because Jesus was not yet glorified.


(Mat 13:11)

And he answered and said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

(Luk 24:45)

Then opened he their mind, that they might understand the scriptures;

(1Co 2:10)

But unto us God revealed them through the Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

(1Co 2:11)

For who among men knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of the man, which is in him? even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God.

(1Co 2:12)

But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God.

(1Co 2:13)

Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Spirit teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

(1Co 2:14)

Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged.

(1Co 2:15)

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man.

(1Co 2:16)

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[neophyte]

Don't kid yourself , you are still a sinner, same as I am and everybody else.

 

[biggandyy]

James writes, "For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body" (James 3:2). So, is James not saying here that a man can indeed be sinless? No, because only a few verses later, he comments, "But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison" (James 3:8).

James is stating that no man can tame even the tongue to the point of perfection, let alone his whole body. Advocates of sinless perfection are calling James a liar and are calling the Scripture a lie in this instance.

People who think they are sinless are obviously experiencing no conviction for sin whatsoever. They believe themselves to be perfect in every way and incapable of sinning. Scripture has already demonstrated that people who do not believe they are sinning are mistaken. In fact, Scripture paints a bleak picture for anyone who is under the delusion that they are without sin.

1John 1:8 states simply, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." People who are oblivious to the fact that they still have sin do not have the Spirit of truth within them. There is no light shining to expose the darkness of their souls.

 

[whitestone]

Hi Andy,

You misunderstand scriptures.

Yes, no MAN can tame the tongue.

But JESUS in us CAN. That is our witness.
If you were to read James further to provide further understanding you will see that something needs to be "fixed" in us if we are speaking wickedness, for no fountain can bring forth both sweet and bitter water;

(Jas 3:11)
Doth the fountain send forth from the same opening sweet water and bitter?
By a person's speech is how we can tell if they are filled with Christ or not.

It is how we can tell a brother in Christ, if He has that same witness. If Christ has NOT tamed our tongue it will be evident by what a person speaks. Or if we ourselves "try" to tame our own tongue it will also be evident and we are destined to fail in either case.

There is only one solution. (which is NOT to say we still sin... what a horrible non-christian statement to fall into!)
Instead, so I give my tongue to Jesus who "purchased" it along with all the rest of me, and now I don't sin with my tongue or any other part of HIS BODY. It would be blasphemy to do so after I've been redeemed. What sacrifice THEN remains for me?? (Heb 10:26)
I preach Christ now with my tongue. I also keep my own self "dead" and keep my body sanctified and quickened as it is Christ's Body and He keeps me from sin. And so of course I rejoice in His Kingdom of Righteousness Joy and peace.

(Rom 6:7)
for he that hath died is justified from sin.

I DIED. TONGUE AND ALL.
I used to sin with my tongue but fortunately for me, Christ has resurrected and tamed my tongue. (because I can't) You see the way it works yet?

So now I don't lie or speak foolishly or jest or bear false witness or sin with my tongue otherwise because it BELONGS to Christ. I only speak as He speaks. And JESUS doesn't speak lies or foolishness with His/my tongue.

(Act 20:28)
Take heed unto yourselves, and to all the flock, in the which the Holy Ghost hath made you bishops, to feed the church of God, which he purchased with his own blood.

I have been purchased by the Blood of Christ and feed His flock with the untainted Words of God and never add my own carnal understanding in to confuse anything.

(Eph 4:31)
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
(Eph 4:15)
But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

(Mat 12:37)
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

(Mat 10:19)
But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

(Mat 10:20)
For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.(Act 1:4)
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

(1Co 2:16)
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

(Col 1:27)

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

(Gal 2:19)
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

(Gal 2:20)
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Don't kid yourself , you are still a sinner, same as I am and everybody else.

If you say you are a christian, but still a sinner, all I can say is that you have big big problems to deal with before God. I'm not kidding either you or myself.

(Heb 10:26)
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Good luck with it sinner I'll pray for you Neo.

 

[biggandyy]

It appears you are unfamiliar with the terms infused and imputed and that is the origin of your error.

 

[dragonfly]

Hi biggandyy,

James writes, "For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body" (James 3:2). So, is James not saying here that a man can indeed be sinless? No, because only a few verses later, he comments, "But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison" (James 3:8).

James is stating that no man can tame even the tongue to the point of perfection, let alone his whole body. Advocates of sinless perfection are calling James a liar and are calling the Scripture a lie in this instance.

People who think they are sinless are obviously experiencing no conviction for sin whatsoever. They believe themselves to be perfect in every way and incapable of sinning. Scripture has already demonstrated that people who do not believe they are sinning are mistaken. In fact, Scripture paints a bleak picture for anyone who is under the delusion that they are without sin.

1John 1:8 states simply, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." People who are oblivious to the fact that they still have sin do not have the Spirit of truth within them. There is no light shining to expose the darkness of their souls.

I think you're missing the next bit, starting in

James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing.

My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet [water] and bitter?

12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs?

so [can] no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

13 Who [is] wise man and endued with knowledge among you?
let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.


The other thing to point out, is that 1 John 1:7 is relevant in the 'light' of 1 John 1:8. Jesus said that if our eye is 'single' - meaning trained on Him who is the True Light - our whole body will be full of light. That is not a difficult concept, and it fits perfectly with John's claim that if we walk in the light as He is in the light then we are being cleansed by His blood continuously. I choose to believe John's testimony, and have made a habit of bringing every questionable issue to Him as soon as I'm aware of it. This also fits John's gospel statements.

John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

John 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

And this also fits with Paul's claims. Remember, he was totally blind for three days. John says people who are blind have been walking in darkness. Believe it or not, this is physiologically true too. The eye needs light to activate its seeing capability. Think of a baby coming out of the womb. Then think on this:

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness,

and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
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Hi neophyte,

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Don't kid yourself , you are still a sinner, same as I am and everybody else.

But I'm not in bondage to sin, which is what I think you may mean?

And I guess you might still be, from what you've just said?


Thou hast snapped my fetters;
Thou hast made me free.
Liberty and gladness I have found in Thee,
Liberty from bondage, from my weary load,
Satan's slave no longer, now a child of God!

I am Thine Lord Jesus, ever
Thine, Thine I am,
and my heart is singing, “Glory to the Lamb.”

Living in the sunshine, shining in Thy light,
Fighting as Thy soldier, mighty in Thy might;
Going on Thy mission, pointing men to Thee,
Telling of the Saviour who can set them free.

I am Thine Lord Jesus, ever ...

Such the life, Lord Jesus, I would ever live,
Such the grateful tribute I would ever give;
Witnessing for Thee, Lord, everywhere I go,
Of the Blood that cleanseth, washing white as snow.

I am Thine Lord Jesus, ever ...

And when life is ended, when the victory's won,
When I hear from Thee, Lord, the glad words, “Well done,”
With what joy and rapture shall I sing of Thee,
Who from sin's dark chains didst set my spirit free!

I am Thine Lord Jesus, ever ...


~ Anon ~

 

[whitestone]

It appears you are unfamiliar with the terms infused and imputed and that is the origin of your error.

Dear Big,

You think I'm in error because I'm unfamiliar with "terms infused and imputed"?
Quite the reply there.

That is why I only provide scriptures and speak the Words of my Father.

But in any case, I'll allow you, who boldly claims to still be a sinner evidently, to educate me where you think I'm "unfamiliar" if you so desire...

 

[Stan]

Dear Big,

You think I'm in error because I'm unfamiliar with "terms infused and imputed"?
Quite the reply there.

That is why I only provide scriptures and speak the Words of my Father.

But in any case, I'll allow you, who boldly claims to still be a sinner evidently, to educate me where you think I'm "unfamiliar" if you so desire...

We are sinners saved by grace. 1 John 1:8-10; [sup] [/sup]If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. [sup] [/sup]If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

 

[whitestone]

We are sinners saved by grace. 1 John 1:9-10; [sup] [/sup]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. [sup]10 [/sup]If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

Yes, I sinned and confessed my sins. I did not lie.

Now, I am forgiven, and purified from all unrighteousness.

Next?

Sin more?

No, of course not.

I do not sin more, of course not.

Do you Stan?

If so, you had best get to figuring out what is wrong with your heart or your theology...

 

[biggandyy]

Dear Big,

You think I'm in error because I'm unfamiliar with "terms infused and imputed"?
Quite the reply there.

That is why I only provide scriptures and speak the Words of my Father.

But in any case, I'll allow you, who boldly claims to still be a sinner evidently, to educate me where you think I'm "unfamiliar" if you so desire...

I have provided scripture, the folks of the opposite view have produced nothing but arrogance and noise.

 

[Stan]

Yes, I sinned and confessed my sins. I did not lie.

Now, I am forgiven, and purified from all unrighteousness.

Next?

Sin more?

No, of course not.

I do not sin more, of course not.

Do you Stan?

If so, you had best get to figuring out what is wrong with your heart or your theology...

Sorry I did edit my post to show verse 8, "if we claim to be without sin". Also take a look at the following.

1 John 2:1
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.


I do NOT sin more whitestone, but I do sin. Do you sin at ALL, or do you NOT sin at all?

 

[dragonfly]

Hi biggandyy,

Are you saying that you don't believe that the gospel offers victory over sin?

Or, are you saying you don't believe the gospel that offers victory over sin?

 

[biggandyy]

That victory is through Christ who became sin on our behalf so when we are judged we aren't judged by our own righteousness but by His.

By proclaiming you are without sin you are proclaiming yourself a Christ in and of yourself.

The gospel does offer victory, but that victory is not yet realized neither for the saint or the sinner. Christ's victory appeased He Father in Heaven, that is the reason He went to the cross. Not so we can pretend to be sinless and without blemish, but so our ugliness marred by sin won't stand before our Father in Heaven.

 

[whitestone]

I have provided scripture, the folks of the opposite view have produced nothing but arrogance and noise.

What scriptures have you provided that refute the scriptures I've provided?
Wouldn't your claim to have provided scriptures to refute scriptures be the "arrogance and noise"?
Mr Big,
You sure haven't addressed me with anything yet by which I can respect you as I do the Word of God.
Until you understand how to put things in order, how can I respect you?
You confess to being a sinner.
What have I to do with a sinner?
Confess your sins and He is faithful and just to forgive you your sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness. Believe it!

Then...

Go and sin no more!
Thus saith the Lord!

(Joh 8:11)

She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

 

[Yies1]

Yes, I sinned and confessed my sins. I did not lie.

Now, I am forgiven, and purified from all unrighteousness.

Next?

Sin more?

No, of course not.

I do not sin more, of course not.

Do you Stan?

If so, you had best get to figuring out what is wrong with your heart or your theology...

I'm trying to understand you're reasoning. Your saying you no longer sin because you have confessed your sins. Where does it say that the confession of sins sets us free from original sin?

From God's viewpoint there are four levels of sin. 1 Original sin. 2 Inherited sin. 3 Collective sin, and 4 Personal sin.

When a perfect Christian man (who has confessed his sins), marries a perfect Christian woman (who has also confessed her sins) marry and have children, are the children who are born of such a union born with or without sin? Those children are still born with sin, the parents still pass on sin to their children.


Worth a repost, "if we claim to be without sin".

 

[Stan]

I'm trying to understand you're reasoning. Your saying you no longer sin because you have confessed your sins. Where does it say that the confession of sins sets us free from original sin?

From God's viewpoint there are four levels of sin. 1 Original sin. 2 Inherited sin. 3 Collective sin, and 4 Personal sin.

When a perfect Christian man (who has confessed his sins), marries a perfect Christian woman (who has also confessed her sins) marry and have children, are the children who are born of such a union born with or without sin? Those children are still born with sin, the parents still pass on sin to their children.


Worth a repost, "if we claim to be without sin".

He's playing with words Yies. He knows he can't out-right say he DOESN'T sin.