Morning jdbrown,
I think we are causing a cross roads where none exist.
We confuse sometimes the working of God within us with instant change.
The virgins... continually renewed the oil in their lamps whilst the othes didn't. All believed in Jesus and waited for the return.
The wise virgins continually trimmed their wickes and renewed the oil which caused the needing of the trimming.
The Holy Spirit shows us the things that are wrong in our lives and as we prune them we are filled even more with his presence.
The sign of the Spirit is our lives is not really shown just by what we believe. Because the NT taught that no one could say " Jesus is Lord" but by the power of the Holy Spirit. So the renewal of the oil is about listening and obeying the Spirit.
The more we trim away the old because of the Spirits leading the more we are filed with the Spirit.
Our lives and our actions reveal the real presence of the Holy Spirit. The more we trim away the old the more we are filled with his presence. Peter received the Spirit but still he stopped eating the things considered unclean by the Jews when they came into his presence. However could we see that as not wanting to offend their consciences?
The Spirit knows us best, our intentions and our hearts. Look at Acts 5.
[sup]3 [/sup]But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[sup]4 [/sup]Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
God does not take over our free will to act. The lie was the amount that he told them he received. When he handed over the money he only had to say this was not the full amount. No one would have disputed that.
The believers shared everything but with the Spirit why did they require a little money set aside?
Sometimes we fail because we do not fully trust God. But the bible in the NT and the OT suggests that we are not worry about the things of this world that God is working for our good in everything.
So being in the Spirit would appear a continual pruning of us and us obeying and so receivng more.
True. If we were entirely spiritual, we would not sin. However, as long as we are in this world, we will not be entirely spiritual.
Read Romans 7
I think we are causing a cross roads where none exist.
We confuse sometimes the working of God within us with instant change.
The virgins... continually renewed the oil in their lamps whilst the othes didn't. All believed in Jesus and waited for the return.
The wise virgins continually trimmed their wickes and renewed the oil which caused the needing of the trimming.
The Holy Spirit shows us the things that are wrong in our lives and as we prune them we are filled even more with his presence.
The sign of the Spirit is our lives is not really shown just by what we believe. Because the NT taught that no one could say " Jesus is Lord" but by the power of the Holy Spirit. So the renewal of the oil is about listening and obeying the Spirit.
The more we trim away the old because of the Spirits leading the more we are filed with the Spirit.
Our lives and our actions reveal the real presence of the Holy Spirit. The more we trim away the old the more we are filled with his presence. Peter received the Spirit but still he stopped eating the things considered unclean by the Jews when they came into his presence. However could we see that as not wanting to offend their consciences?
The Spirit knows us best, our intentions and our hearts. Look at Acts 5.
[sup]3 [/sup]But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[sup]4 [/sup]Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
God does not take over our free will to act. The lie was the amount that he told them he received. When he handed over the money he only had to say this was not the full amount. No one would have disputed that.
The believers shared everything but with the Spirit why did they require a little money set aside?
Sometimes we fail because we do not fully trust God. But the bible in the NT and the OT suggests that we are not worry about the things of this world that God is working for our good in everything.
So being in the Spirit would appear a continual pruning of us and us obeying and so receivng more.