OSAS But Be Ready Or Else

[Christ4Me]

Considering what happens for those unrepentant carnal saints & former believers that get left behind where He destroys both body & soul, is why being left behind at the rapture is to be avoided, see post #18 Christians Cast into "Hell" for Not Abiding?

Also seeing how much stripes are given per the knowledge that they had for not being ready and lesser stripes for the knowledge that they did not have for not being ready; Luke 12:40-49 , one may see how bad this scourging given by the Father will be, for not stiving nor resisting against sin, Hebrews 12:3-11.

I can see why there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth of those children of the kingdom being cast out for not being ready.

Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Those saints that get left behind will need a miracle from God in wiping the tears from their eyes to get over that loss of their first inheritance; Revelation 7:9-17, but man, what a process one goes through in losing that first inheritance so they can be partakers of His holiness 1 Corinthians 3:10-17.

This is imperative for why we are to look to Jesus Christ daily, trusting Him in helping us to be ready in laying aside ever weight & sin for the high prize of our calling to be that vessel unto honor in His House. 2 Timothy 2:18-21 & Hebrews 12:1-2 & 2 Corinthians 5:7-11

Again, we run that race by having our confidence & hope in Jesus Christ to finish His work in us; hence His race to finish for why we would cast our crowns at His feet in Heaven because the crowns are His crowning achievements in us; 1 John 3:3 1 John 3:8 & 2 Timothy 4:18 & Jude 1:24-25 <--- Believers living in habitual sins should read about our hope in Jesus Christ for how every believer is running that race by faith in Jesus Christ.

This is why believers living in sin or religious works that deny Him or former believers should not be thrilled about this for why even abiding believers as His disciples continue to need His help to be ready to go as well as be willing to go or else: Luke 21:33-36 John 15:1-8

For believers living in habitual sin; there is hope in Christ Jesus to help you daily. This also applies to every believer seeking to abide in Him daily as His disciples.

For believers engaged in religious works or supernatural phenomenon that deny Him, may this music video remind you of what He has done for us at the calling of the gospel when we had first believed so that you may return to your first love & the joy of your salvation. Titus 1:16 Matthew 7:21-27 & Luke 13:24-30

 

[Ferris Bueller]

For believers living in habitual sin...

No such thing.

"9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1 John 3:9​

 

[Christ4Me]

No such thing.

"9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1 John 3:9​

I understand your P.O.V. but there is a misconception generally associated when reading the Book of 1 John because some will even use that verse to mean no believer can sin at all and yet 1 John 2:1-2 says if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate & we can ask for forgiveness 1 John 1:9

The apostle John was addressing believers that believed sin has ceased to be sin to them, for why they were walking in darkness, but John reproved them by showing how Jesus walked in the light and not in darkness at all. 1 John 1:3-10

The apostle John went on for believers to know who was abiding in Him and who was not 1 John 2:3-6 , as a guideline for believers about whom they can have fellowship with, from those they need to correct or else withdraw from them as they were not of us. 1 John 2:15-21

As it is, saved believers are called to forgive those who sin against them repeatedly.

Matthew 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

And Jesus did teach this prayer for how to pray, asking the Faher to forgive our trespasses o debts as we forgive others with a warning.

Matthew 5:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

We should acknowledge ourselves as former habitual sinners for why we look to Him daily to help us to follow Him Hebrews 12:1-2

As it is, when you do come across an alcoholic or a drug addict or any other sin that seems to be plaguing those that believes in Him, more often times then not, they need to be reminded to give that battle over to the Lord in helping them to lay the weights & sins down daily. When they look to themselves to do it by keeping a commitment or a promise, this is why they are failing. They need to look to Him in relying on Him all the time. John 6:28-29 Philippians 1:6 1 John 3:3 1 John 3:8 2 Timothy 4:18 & Jude 1:24-25

Otherwise, are you going to tell a Christian in habitual sin that they were never saved in the first place? That is not written for us to say or do.

Galatians 6:1Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. 3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. 4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5 For every man shall bear his own burden. 6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

It is one thing when a believer is struggling with sin, but it is another when a believer does not repent, believing sin is no longer sin to them for why excommunication may be necessary. That is what the apostle John was correcting in the Book of 1 John about unrepenting believers living in sin that see no need for Jesus for forgiveness, let alone, His help to resist & lay aside all those weights ( provision for the flesh ) & sins daily, when they do.

 

[Davy]

Considering what happens for those unrepentant carnal saints & former believers that get left behind where He destroys both body & soul, is why being left behind at the rapture is to be avoided, ....

You are spiritually drunken on a false doctrine.

There is no Pre-tribulational Rapture theory written anywhere in God's Word.

A so-called spiritual movement devised by 'men' has engulfed your spirit. God did not send those men, as He showed in Ezekiel 13 where He condemns the idea of flying to save one's soul.

God allows the false Pre-trib Rapture theory among the deceived because it is a way to test who will listen to Him in HIS WORD, or not.

If you had listened to our Heavenly Father and His Son in HIS WORD, you would have seen how the pre-trib rapture theory is from the devil.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No such thing.

"9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1 John 3:9​

What are you saying? Whenever you have anger and resentment you are murdering another. Isn’t that habitual sin?
Would a man hunger and thirst for true righteousness inside if he already had true righteousness inside? We hunger and thirst for what we don’t have, not what we already have.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

are you going to tell a Christian in habitual sin that they were never saved in the first place?

I tell them what the Bible says about that, and that they need to examine themselves to see if they are really in the faith. They have to sort it out between them and God.

 

[Davy]

What are you saying? Whenever you have anger and resentment you are murdering another. Isn’t that habitual sin?

Anger is a sin?

Eph 4:26-27
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
KJV

Many mistake righteous indignation (the above meaning) for anger as a sin. In the above Paul is showing our righteous indignation for something that is ungodly should also be temporary with, "let not the sun go down upon your wrath".

Therefore, being zealous for God per His Word as the Measure and becoming angry at evil is not... a sin. It is righteous indignation by The Holy Spirit.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What are you saying? Whenever you have anger and resentment you are murdering another. Isn’t that habitual sin?

Habitual sin is not the struggle with sin. It's the absence of the struggle with sin. You've accepted it as a way of life and do not resist it. That's the sign of an unbeliever.

Would a man hunger and thirst for true righteousness inside if he already had true righteousness inside? We hunger and thirst for what we don’t have, not what we already have.

Born again people don't hunger and thirst for justification. They already have that. What they may hunger and thirst for is to live the righteous life commensurate with the legal righteousness they have received through Christ.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Considering what happens for those unrepentant carnal saints & former believers that get left behind where He destroys both body & soul, is why being left behind at the rapture is to be avoided

I do agree with you there will be a gathering before the time of testing coming on the whole world to test all its people. We are to pray to be found worthy to escape it. But I don’t think God ultimately destroys everyone left. If that were the case, who are those under the altar who were killed and who washed their robes and came out of the tribulation?
The only way I can make sense of it is that some left behind need more testing to come out pure.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Anger is a sin?

Eph 4:26-27
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
KJV

Many mistake righteous indignation (the above meaning) for anger as a sin. In the above Paul is showing our righteous indignation for something that is ungodly should also be temporary with, "let not the sun go down upon your wrath".

Therefore, being zealous for God per His Word as the Measure and becoming angry at evil is not... a sin. It is righteous indignation by The Holy Spirit.

But there are times anger is sin and that’s what I’m talking about.

 

[Davy]

But there are times anger is sin and that’s what I’m talking about.

Well, when it is not according to God's Word, yes. Yet still, there are times we get angry that is righteous indignation from The Holy Spirit within us seeing evil being done. And then some of us God has made strong enough to help someone which evil is being done to, like someone getting mugged or oppressed for example. Are then groups like the U.S. special forces men of anger, since one of their mottos is to free the oppressed?

 

[Cassandra]

Then there is anger that is not righteous:

Matt5:22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."

Col 3:8 But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth.

 

[Christ4Me]

You are spiritually drunken on a false doctrine.

By that comment, are you of those who believe you can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation for why you are being sarcastic?

There is no Pre-tribulational Rapture theory written anywhere in God's Word.

Then explain the parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1-13 where they are likened unto the kingdom of Heaven but missed out on the wedding reception for being out to the market seeking to be filled, when the Bridegroom had come, even though they are still in that kingdom of heaven.

Like it or not, the rapture is when God as the Bridegroom will judge His House first for not being ready; 1 Peter 4:17 Luke 12:40-49 John 15:1-8

A so-called spiritual movement devised by 'men' has engulfed your spirit.

There is nothing supernaturally phenomenal about this teaching other than having His wisdom to see the truth in His words by His grace & by His help.

God did not send those men, as He showed in Ezekiel 13 where He condemns the idea of flying to save one's soul.

Not applicable when plainly read in scripture for what happens when the Bridegroom appears. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 Luke 17:26-37 Luke 13:24-30

There is even a special rapture in the middle of the great tribulation but it only involves those 2 witnesses in Jerusalem. Revelation 11:11-12

God allows the false Pre-trib Rapture theory among the deceived because it is a way to test who will listen to Him in HIS WORD, or not.

If that is how you judge, will it not be true for the reverse when it is found to be true?

If you had listened to our Heavenly Father and His Son in HIS WORD, you would have seen how the pre-trib rapture theory is from the devil.

I do not see how when I am referring to Jesus warning saved believers to be always ready as found abiding in Him or else.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Habitual sin is not the struggle with sin. It's the absence of the struggle with sin. You've accepted it as a way of life and do not resist it. That's the sign of an unbeliever.


Born again people don't hunger and thirst for justification. They already have that. What they may hunger and thirst for is to live the righteous life commensurate with the legal righteousness they have received through Christ.

I don’t agree with your definition of habitual sin. Just because I struggle with a habitual sin it does not mean I’m not habitually sinning.

I was born again by the down payment I received and my sins were forgiven. That was when I began hungering and thirsting for true righteousness in my inner man. I don’t understand the idea of legal righteousness. I can’t really find it in the Bible. I can’t conceive of why forgiven has to equal more than forgiven.

 

[Christ4Me]

What are you saying? Whenever you have anger and resentment you are murdering another. Isn’t that habitual sin?
Would a man hunger and thirst for true righteousness inside if he already had true righteousness inside? We hunger and thirst for what we don’t have, not what we already have.

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

That verse was fulfilled when you got saved by coming to & believing in Jesus Christ.

According to Jesus's own words, after you had come to & believed in Him, you would never hunger nor thirst to be filled again.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

We are a new creature in Christ now;

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

And as new wine bottles, we are always Spirit-filled since salvation as a testimony from God that we are saved.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Christ4me, I just want to say I’ve enjoyed your posts this last week or so.

 

[Christ4Me]

I tell them what the Bible says about that, and that they need to examine themselves to see if they are really in the faith. They have to sort it out between them and God.

So you are really referring to discipleship for abiding in Him & His words as in correction by the scripture rather than salvation since you are not preaching the gospel to them again so they can be saved, because they already know the gospel and claimed to believe in Him. Right?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

That verse was fulfilled when you got saved by coming to & believing in Jesus Christ.

According to Jesus's own words, after you had come to & believed in Him, you would never hunger nor thirst to be filled again.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

We are a new creature in Christ now;

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

And as new wine bottles, we are always Spirit-filled since salvation as a testimony from God that we are saved.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

I think we need to leave behind the thought that everything the Bible says is ME RIGHT NOW.

 

[Christ4Me]

What are you saying? Whenever you have anger and resentment you are murdering another. Isn’t that habitual sin?

@Ferris Bueller @Davy @Cassandra

I agree with @stunnedbygrace because of this scripture below for why running that race is a daily event of looking to Jesus Christ to help us lay aside every weight & sin to be walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son. Hebrews 12:1-2 & 1 John 1:3-9

Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil. 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. 29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Not to mention about how we are to respond with His help in posting in Christian forums.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

It is good to see how you guys are all cordial with one another in Christ's love.

 

[Christ4Me]

I think we need to leave behind the thought that everything the Bible says is ME RIGHT NOW.

When we acknowledge what Christ has done for us at our salvation, which is to His glory as our Savior, it is always about Him.

If you are not referring to that, what are you meaning then, may I ask?