farouk
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I don't see a partial Rapture in Scripture, actually.Those not abiding in Him and His words are still kept by Him even though left behind.
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I don't see a partial Rapture in Scripture, actually.Those not abiding in Him and His words are still kept by Him even though left behind.
You STILL STAND AGAINST God, while you walk with CHIRST ?
Not possible...
Matt 12
[30] He that is not with me IS against me;
Not looking up references...
QUOTE the Scripture..that means...;
“SAVED” BELIEVERS STOPPED ABIDING IN HIM.
I don't see a partial Rapture in Scripture, actually.
Oh, I do...Just trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd & Friend now to help you to be always ready and found abiding in Him and His words, brother.
Death can strike at us at any second and not just the rapture, even though you do not presently believe in the rapture yet.
WHO exactly is a saint that is “left” behind?
WHAT exactly do you mean “left” behind?
WHY exactly is a saint “left” behind?
Are you asking for when saved believers stop abiding in Him?
John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Or are you asking for proof that believers that stop abiding in Him are still saved?
2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
Paul just gave an example of a former believer above, yet he points out next how that foundation and that seal is sure for why een former belevers and not just those who have gone astray, are to be called to depart from iniquity.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Now look at what is in His House. There are 2 kinds of vessels that are in His House.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
Now look at how departing from iniquity makes one a vessel unto honor in His House below.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
So those who do not depart from iniquity are what? The vessels unto dishonor in His House, the vessels of wood & earth, but still saved because they are in His House.
That is what the OP is about; OSAS but be ready or else.
I can see why there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth of those children of the kingdom being cast out for not being ready.
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IMO, the pivot point is habitual. Yes, I know I still sin but also know it is diminishing as my walk with Christ goes on.
The discomforts, deprivations, and hazards of ministry, mission, and possibly martyrdom, can cause Christians to withdraw from the frontline.But it is unfortunate that some believers will be brought into bondage again not heeding the call to escape those that live in error. 2 Peter 2:18-22
I don't see a partial Rapture in Scripture, actually.
I cannot believe you said the above, after all the Scripture evidence I have pointed you to. That pretty much reveals to me that you don't care about those Scriptures I showed, that you may have disdain for them. Can't you see I'm trying to help you? and get you to actually 'see' those Scripture proofs?
Their point though is that they 'understood' Jesus talking about the destruction to come upon that Temple Mount was really pointing to the events of the end leading up to His future return. They wanted to know more.
His disciples most likely were aware of Zechariah 14 which shows a destruction to occur upon the Mount of Olives at Christ's future return. That also pointing to destruction upon the temple mount with the great earthquake and valley to be formed there. Their question in Matthew 24:3 shows they were not interpreting the destruction being about the 70 A.D. destruction by the Romans, but about the day of Christ's future coming.
Well, He actually called the events just prior to the "great tribulation" a time of the "beginning of sorrows" (Matthew 24:8). And I don't see any such "back and forth" you're talking about. Jesus is giving 7 main Signs of the end which parallel the Seals of Revelation 6 about the end leading up to His future return.
I disagree. Matthew 24:14 is simply about The Gospel being heralded into all the world before... the end will come. It is setting a condition. As for your Revelation references, you are mixing them up timeline-wise. When the 144,000 are seen with Jesus upon "mount Sion" per Revelation 14, that "Sion" is not up in the clouds, it is upon the earth in the holy land, and is after His future return to this earth. At Jesus' coming, His destination is upon the earth, His feet touching on the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, and He brings all His faithful saints with Him, as written there. Thus your side note does not actually fit what Scripture reveals.
Sorry, but you cannot insert a rapture any time prior to those Matthew 24:29-31 verses.
There is no such idea written there like that.
The Matthew 24 Scripture is very clear, and is in ORDER of the Signs of the end Jesus gave. Just because you 'want'... to believe there will be a rapture of the Church prior to the "great tribulation" He warned His saints about there, that does not mean you can try and INSERT one like you tried to do.
BECAUSE he was “speaking to”......LITTLE CHILDREN”...so “LITTLE CHILDREN” would Learn “HOW TO” become BORN AGAIN!
Get real.. Teachers, teaching little children routinely TEACH including themselves.
Did you NEVER teach a child, to pick up his toys, make his bed, tie his shoes...?
this is the way WE pickup our toys....this is the way WE make our bed....this is the way we tie our shoes....
Ya think it is the parents toys, bed, shoes ?
You can not delineate to know the difference between the teacher and student....The parent and the child...the Apostle and little children ?
Little children are STUDENTS of everything they are being TAUGHT.
A little child believing. A adult with the beginning learning of Christ Jesus...
ARE NOT they who ARE BORN AGAIN....
So, IF you ARE like a little child, or an adult beginning to learn about Christ Jesus.....then those Scriptures WOULD APPLY TO YOU....and Scripture about those ALREADY BORN AGAIN......WOULD NOT APPLY TO YOU.
Not looking up references...
QUOTE the Scripture..that means...;
“SAVED” BELIEVERS STOPPED ABIDING IN HIM.
I don't see a partial Rapture in Scripture, actually.
@Chirst4Me
You did not answer the questions....but I will.
WHO exactly is a saint that is “left” behind? [//B]
1) the Beloved of God....(who is NOT sanctified in Christ Jesus)
2) Gods ISRAEL is Gods Beloved, rejected Christ Jesus, did not answer the Calling.
3) Those Sanctified IN CHRIST JESUS, are CALLED TO BE SAINTS, and answer the Calling becoming S
There are no born again in Hell.
There are no Christ rejectors in heaven.
The discomforts, deprivations, and hazards of ministry, mission, and possibly martyrdom, can cause Christians to withdraw from the frontline.
2Ti 4:10 for Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world, and has departed for Thessalonica.
Odd that someone supporting OSAS would be concerned about backsliders losing their salvation.
As I see it, nothing to do with the church.That is when I see God judging His House first for why many believers were not found to be ready.
What do you say about that special rapture of those two witnesses for halfway thru the great tribulation?
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth..... 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
So maybe you should consider that you missed something?
I agree."And the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we that are alive and remain . . ." this is inclusive language. Partial rapture is fully refuted in these words.
Much love!
Those little children are men.
1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.