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The Christian religion is sacramental

the sacraments are instituted by Jesus Christ, and outward signs of inward grace applied to the soul!

Sacraments instituted by Christ for the salvation of souls!

It’s not a do it yourself religion!
It’s not a bible study!

It’s a covenant!

Not by “faith alone”
“Faith alone” not biblical
You may think “Accept Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and savior” is biblical but there is no such verse in your bible!

Faith and the sacraments in the church founded by the authority Christ on Peter and the apostles is biblical!

Faith and baptism is the biblical initiation into the new covenant and member is Christ and His holy church!
Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

You cannot enter a covenant by “faith alone” must be a ritual outward sign!
Faith and baptism! Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Merits of christ’s passion, death, and precious blood are applied in the sacraments! Jn 1:16

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Lk 1: 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 & Jn 10:16 one fold

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one: acts 9 why persecute me?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Sacraments are the fruit of the sacrifice!
The holy sacrifice of Christ, His passion, blood, and death producing unlimited fruits of divine grace, actual and sanctifying grace! Jn 1:29 Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10


“This promise” (sacred oath of God or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
(Oath = sacrament)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!

Jn 1:5-5 abide in Him, apart from Him you can do nothing.

Jn 10:10 life, (grace more abundantly)
Jn 1: 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 1:16-17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
(Thru faith and the sacraments!)
 

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You want me to be catholic because you think history proves you right.
No, I don't. I just want you to stop LYING. But you can't because you are brainwashed.
Yet I proved where another group just like you used the same excuses as you do. and they ended up crucifying Jesus. because he protested against them
We all crucify Jesus with our sins.
I find it amazing how quickly Satan duped the jews into straying from the truth and used history and the leaders to do it.
Where did the Jews use history? Chapter and verse, please.
And then again how quickly he did the very same thing to the church.
and yet. just like the religious leaders and "church" of the jews in Christs day, People who place the word of God above history. the fathers, and everything else. are also called heretics and false prophets like Jesus and his followers were.
You make no sense.
 

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Baptism doesn't save.
Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God...
That's NOT what the Bible says . . .

John 3:5

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

2 Pet. 3:21
BAPTISM, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be BAPTIZED Every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is BAPTIZED will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

 
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by baptism

acts 22:16 washes away sin
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 necessary for salvation
1 pet 3:31 baptism now saves you

never a fake faith alone cult

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!
"And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness..."
 

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"And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness..."

yes faith is required!
But not any faith! The faith revealed by Christ (Jude 1:3) and taught (Matt 28:19) by holy mother church! ( gal 4:26)
 

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That's NOT what the Bible says . . .

John 3:5

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

2 Pet. 3:21

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be BAPTIZED Every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is BAPTIZED will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
None of those verses say baptism saves. The one most people use as proof is this one:

BAPTISM, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ...

And it actually confirms that that the water isn't what's saving, but "as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ..."

Says babtism corresponds to this . To what?

"and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ..."

Here's something important to understand:
The word “saved” simply means “deliverance” and context determines what kind of deliverance is in view.
Another important understanding:
Baptism is a Greek word which means “immersion” or “submersion.” This does not mean that every baptism requires immersion into water.
There is baptism into Moses (1 Cor 10:2), baptism of the cup and crucifixion (Matt 20:22; Mark 10:38; Luke 12:50), baptism by the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:4-5; 11:16; Rom 6:3-4; 1 Cor 12:13; Gal 3:26-28; Eph 4:5), and baptism with the fire of judgment (Matt 3:11; 13:25; Luke 3:16).
That's a lot of different baptisms.
It's quite likely that Peter is not referring to believer’s baptism at all, because he indicates that this baptism he is writing about is “through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
Some people think that Peter is referring to believer’s baptism because of the mention of water in 3:20, but Peter clarifies in 3:21 that he is not talking about the outward washing of the flesh with water but the inner purification of a good conscience toward God, which is accomplished only through the Spirit.

Note that Noah and his family “were saved through water,” not by the water!

We also are delivered from the flood of sin that surrounds us, not by water, but by the Spirit of God (1 Peter 3:18). How? By fully immersing ourselves and identifying with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Peter 3:18, 21).

Jesus is the ark that saves us from the flood of sin that surrounds us.

Peter is not writing about how to gain eternal life here. Instead, Peter is writing about how to live the Christian life.
 

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162. The Sacraments of the New Covenant contain the grace which they signify, and bestow it on
those who do not hinder it.
163 The sacraments work ex opera operato! (Simply by being done)
164. All the Sacraments of the New Covenant confer sanctifying grace on the receivers.
165. Three Sacraments, Baptism, Confirmation and Holy Orders, imprint a character, that is, an
indelible spiritual mark, and for this reason cannot be repeated.
166. The Sacramental Character is a spiritual mark imprinted on the soul.
167. The Sacramental Character continues at least until the death of its bearer.
168. All the Sacraments of the New Covenant were instituted by Jesus Christ.
169. There are Seven Sacraments of the New Law.
170. The Sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for the salvation of mankind.
171. For the valid dispensing of the Sacraments it is necessary that the minister accomplish the
Sacramental Sign in the proper manner.
172. The minister must further have the intention at least of doing what the Church does.
173. In the case of adult recipients moral worthiness is necessary for the worthy or fruitful reception of the Sacraments.

Baptism

174. Baptism is a true Sacrament instituted by Jesus Christ.
175. The materia remota of the Sacrament of Baptism is true and natural water.
176. Baptism confers the grace of justification.
177. Baptism effects the remission of all punishments of sin, both the eternal and the temporal.
178. Even if it be unworthily received, valid Baptism imprints on the soul of the recipient an indelible spiritual mark, the Baptismal Character, and for this reason, the Sacrament cannot be repeated.
179. Baptism by water (Baptismus fluminis) is, since the promulgation of the Gospel, necessary
for all men without exception, for salvation.
 

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Faith alone is a condemned heresy!

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
 

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None of those verses say baptism saves. The one most people use as proof is this one:

BAPTISM, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ...

And it actually confirms that that the water isn't what's saving, but "as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ..."

Says babtism corresponds to this . To what?

"and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ..."

Here's something important to understand:
The word “saved” simply means “deliverance” and context determines what kind of deliverance is in view.
Another important understanding:
Baptism is a Greek word which means “immersion” or “submersion.” This does not mean that every baptism requires immersion into water.
There is baptism into Moses (1 Cor 10:2), baptism of the cup and crucifixion (Matt 20:22; Mark 10:38; Luke 12:50), baptism by the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:4-5; 11:16; Rom 6:3-4; 1 Cor 12:13; Gal 3:26-28; Eph 4:5), and baptism with the fire of judgment (Matt 3:11; 13:25; Luke 3:16).
That's a lot of different baptisms.
It's quite likely that Peter is not referring to believer’s baptism at all, because he indicates that this baptism he is writing about is “through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
Some people think that Peter is referring to believer’s baptism because of the mention of water in 3:20, but Peter clarifies in 3:21 that he is not talking about the outward washing of the flesh with water but the inner purification of a good conscience toward God, which is accomplished only through the Spirit.

Note that Noah and his family “were saved through water,” not by the water!

We also are delivered from the flood of sin that surrounds us, not by water, but by the Spirit of God (1 Peter 3:18). How? By fully immersing ourselves and identifying with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Peter 3:18, 21).

Jesus is the ark that saves us from the flood of sin that surrounds us.

Peter is not writing about how to gain eternal life here. Instead, Peter is writing about how to live the Christian life.
WRONG.
They ALL say that Baptism saves us.

And NOBODY - least of all the Catholic Church, is saying that the water itself has some sort of "magical" or spiritual power. It is simply the MEANS by which we are spuirituall cleansed and forhiven - and by which we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

There is no "magical" power in the oil used to anoint the sick (James 5:14) either. Again - it is simply is the MEANS by which the Lord works.
We are physical people and God gives us tangible means by which He works His mercy.

Did Jesus "NEED" mud to smear in the Blind Man's eyes in order to cure him??
Did God "NEED" clay iin order to creat Adam? He merely spoke and the universe lept into existence - so why not do the same with Adam??

YOUR
problem is that you sreject the means by which God has chosen because it doesn't make sense to YOU.
 
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WRONG.
They ALL say that Baptism saves us.

And NOBODY - least of all the Catholic Church, is saying that the water itself has some sort of "magical" or spiritual power. It is simply the MEANS by which we are spuirituall cleansed and forhiven - and by which we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

There is no "magical" power in the oil used to anoint the sick (James 5:14) either. Again - it is simply is the MEANS by which the Lord works.
We are physical people and God gives us tangible means by which He works His mercy.

Did Jesus "NEED" mud to smear in the Blind Man's eyes in order to cure him??
Did God "NEED" clay iin order to creat Adam? He merely spoke and the universe lept into existence - so why not do the same with Adam??

YOUR
problem is that you sreject the means by which God has chosen because it doesn't make sense to YOU.
You apparently only read the first line.
 

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You apparently only read the first line.
WRONG - I readyour entire post.

You falselt assert that Catholics believe that we are saved BY water - and I explained that could NOT be further from the truth. I explained repeatedly that the water is simply the TANGIBLE MEANS by which we enter into Christ and receive the Holy Spirit.
I even gave other Biblical examples of hoow tangible means were used to convey God's grace and healing power (Gen. 2:7, John 9:6, James 2:14).

ALL of the verses I gave you in post #1094 convey the message that Baaptism is our response - our cooperation with God's saving grace.
Why YOU continue to rehect those tangible means that GOD Himself instituted shows a lack pof fai5th and nothing more . . .
 
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Matter conveys grace all over the place in Scripture: baptism confers regeneration: Acts 2:38, 22:16, 1 Pet 3:21 (cf. Mk 16:16, Rom 6:3-4), 1 Cor 6:11, Titus 3:5. Paul's "handkerchiefs" healed the sick (Acts 19:12), as did even Peter's shadow (Acts 5:15), and of course, Jesus' garment (Mt 9:20-22) and saliva mixed with dirt (Jn 9:5 ff., Mk 8:22-25), as well as water from the pool of Siloam (Jn 9:7). Anointing with oil for healing is encouraged (Jas 5:14). Then there is the laying on of hands for the purpose of ordination and commissioning (Acts 6:6, 1 Tim 4:14, 2 Tim 1:6) and to facilitate the initial outpouring of the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:17-19, 13:3, 19:6), and for healing (Mk 6:5, Lk 13:13, Acts 9:17-18). Even under the Old Covenant, a dead man was raised simply by coming in contact with the bones of Elisha (2 Kings 13:21)!

All this and yet so many Protestants reject sacramentalism in principle! Protestants have exhibited many extremes in this regard historically: the no holds-barred iconoclasm of the early Calvinists and some Lutherans (e.g., Carlstadt), in which they marauded about, destroying stained glass windows, altars, religious paintings and statuary (even of Christ!), organs (probably even manger scenes), etc. Drama was banned in England for a time. Early Protestant painting was almost confined to the Dutch in one bleak period, due to the pervasive iconoclasm. Music and dance and art in general is still frowned upon in many Protestant circles, or else vastly under-appreciated. It is obvious that the great majority of classic Western art originated in the Catholic countries. This was no coincidence!

Sacramentalism is merely the Incarnation extended, just as the Church is. No a priori biblical or logical case can be made against a literal Eucharist on the grounds that matter is inferior to spirit and/or indicative of a stunted, primitive, "pagan" spirituality or some such similar negative judgment. If Christ could become Man, He can surely will to become actually and truly present in every sense in bread and wine, once consecrated.

So I challenge "low church" Protestants to go ahead and make their case against the Real Presence, but to do it on scriptural, exegetical grounds, not Docetic, philosophical ones. I submit that oftentimes, the bias against matter is what creates a prior bias in favor of pure symbolism, thus leading to eisegesis of John 6, Lk 22:19-20, 1 Cor 10:16 and 11:27-30.

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Faith alone is a condemned heresy!

Maybe in your world faith alone is a condemned heresy!
The Lord God is not limited by your claims.

Luke 7:
[50] And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Luke 18:
[42] And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.


Rom 9:
[18] Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
 
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You cannot enter a covenant by “faith alone” must be a ritual outward sign!
Faith and baptism! Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

A man “MUST” participate in a ritual outward sign? Hogwash.

A mans faith is inward.
The Lords baptism is inward.

It is men (NOT the Lord God) who require a scheduled ritual outward sign to Please the Eyes of men....

It is The Lord God Himself who KNOWS the inward FAITH of a man.
It is The Lord God Himself who BAPTIZES the inward man.

* This man, did NOT participate in ANY ritual, NOR ANY water baptism, WAS NOT in a church.
* This man was SAVED, BY his “FAITH alone” and the “SAVIORS” inward Baptism. ———->


Luke 23:
[42] And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
[43] And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

By his FAITH, that man WAS SAVED.

Your: “MUST participate in a ritual outward sign” to BE Saved....is FALSE, as revealed by Scripture itself.
 
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No, I don't. I just want you to stop LYING. But you can't because you are brainwashed.
So i lied about the jews? I lied about them using history to support they have the truth? I lied about them using History tradition and all the excuses you use, as a means to crucify my savior. Because they considered him a heretic?

Whatever my friend. I am not the brainwashed one. That would be you

We all crucify Jesus with our sins.
Yes that is why we crucify him, But that detracts from the truth of what I said about them. Which yu continue to ignore.
Where did the Jews use history? Chapter and verse, please.
What was their excuse to Jesus? Was it not the fathers? Was it not Abraham? Was it not the law?
As I have said many times, You will only see what you want to see
You make no sense.

Well of course, You can’t admit it. Because it would tear the main root of your argument to shreds..
 

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You apparently only read the first line.

Quite likely, BOL is fixated on water baptism.

* Fact...A man IS SAVED by Faith.
* Fact...The Lamb of God’s, Spiritual Baptism of the Holy Spirit;
IS MANIFESTING WiTHIN that Saved man, the Lords Internal Salvation.

* Water baptism and rituals, are performed BY MEN, for the satisfaction of EYES of MEN. Outwardly Satisfying the MENS EYES, does not SAVE a man Inwardly.

BOL, has stated on this form, his own infant baptism, (completely unknown to him), was the day, he received the inward Spiritual Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
:rolleyes: No knowledge, No belief, No confession, BUT only words and acts of men, Was he taught, and he proclaimed that, as an infant, he received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit...:rolleyes:

Corrupt teaching.
 

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Maybe in your world faith alone is a condemned heresy!
The Lord God is not limited by your claims.

Luke 7:
[50] And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Luke 18:
[42] And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.


Rom 9:
[18] Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

faith yes!
Faith alone never!
 

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Three things are eternal
Faith, hope, and charity 1 cor 13:13

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patienceinherit the promises
 

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A man “MUST” participate in a ritual outward sign? Hogwash.

A mans faith is inward.
The Lords baptism is inward.

It is men (NOT the Lord God) who require a scheduled ritual outward sign to Please the Eyes of men....

It is The Lord God Himself who KNOWS the inward FAITH of a man.
It is The Lord God Himself who BAPTIZES the inward man.

* This man, did NOT participate in ANY ritual, NOR ANY water baptism, WAS NOT in a church.
* This man was SAVED, BY his “FAITH alone” and the “SAVIORS” inward Baptism. ———->


Luke 23:
[42] And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
[43] And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

By his FAITH, that man WAS SAVED.

Your: “MUST participate in a ritual outward sign” to BE Saved....is FALSE, as revealed by Scripture itself.

It’s not required until the death of the savior
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.