Secure Eternal Salvation

[theefaith]

Time for some harsh truth.

heretic!
Heretics have no truth!
Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6 christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 the church is the truth! 1 Tim 3:15

 

[Oceanprayers]

The Christian religion is sacramental

the sacraments are instituted by Jesus Christ, and outward signs of inward grace applied to the soul!

Sacraments instituted by Christ for the salvation of souls!

It’s not a do it yourself religion!
It’s not a bible study!

It’s a covenant!

Not by “faith alone”
“Faith alone” not biblical
You may think “Accept Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and savior” is biblical but there is no such verse in your bible!

Faith and the sacraments in the church founded by the authority Christ on Peter and the apostles is biblical!

Faith and baptism is the biblical initiation into the new covenant and member is Christ and His holy church!
Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

You cannot enter a covenant by “faith alone” must be a ritual outward sign!
Faith and baptism! Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Merits of christ’s passion, death, and precious blood are applied in the sacraments! Jn 1:16

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Lk 1: 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 & Jn 10:16 one fold

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one: acts 9 why persecute me?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Sacraments are the fruit of the sacrifice!
The holy sacrifice of Christ, His passion, blood, and death producing unlimited fruits of divine grace, actual and sanctifying grace! Jn 1:29 Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10


“This promise” (sacred oath of God or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
(Oath = sacrament)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!

Jn 1:5-5 abide in Him, apart from Him you can do nothing.

Jn 10:10 life, (grace more abundantly)
Jn 1: 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 1:16-17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
(Thru faith and the sacraments!)

The 7 sacraments are necessary? For salvation?
Where does Jesus expressly teach that very thing?

Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

[theefaith]

The 7 sacraments are necessary? For salvation?
Where does Jesus expressly teach that very thing?

Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

eph 2 refers to redemption not justification or salvation

Mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized

 

[Taken]

Three things are eternal
Faith, hope, and charity 1 cor 13:13

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patienceinherit the promises

Off point of baptism.

 

[Taken]

It’s not required until the death of the savior
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

The Savior suffered death, before mankind was created.

You claim infants are saved, before they testify....before they lay down their life.... Your claim is not Scriptural.

 

[theefaith]

Off point of baptism.

not faith alone

 

[theefaith]

The Savior suffered death, before mankind was created.

You claim infants are saved, before they testify....before they lay down their life.... Your claim is not Scriptural.

justified not saved

 

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OMG....I missed those parts. Now I see it. Peter didn't have any authority since other church elders gave their opinions. I missed that clear evidence.

And how everyone, out of respect, became silent when listening to Paul and Barnabas giving testimony about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. That is CLEAR evidence that Peter had NO authority.

CLEARLY Peter has no authority when his "comments" AGREES with the written words of the prophets on "how God first looked favorably on the Gentiles, to take from among them a people for his name." And then James USES PETER'S "comments" to make his decision. I missed that part...silly me.

do you ever get tired of being wrong post?

Who ever said Peter had no authority?
Galatians 2 - Paul says James, Cephas and John appeared to be pillars.

The point is that contrary to your narrative, Peter was never Supreme Authority of Christ's church.

Acts 15 clearly puts James at no less than equal authority, in fact portrays him as leading the synod, and James places the scripture in higher authority than Peter - if Peter had said things contradicting scripture, he would have been overruled: see again Galatians 2, where exactly such a case occurred, because Peter was literally afraid of the people sent from James, so that Peter was leading even Barnabas into sin, and Paul had to chew him out.

The Bible does not support a pope with all authority abrogating scripture ex-cathedra.

 

[Taken]

not faith alone

See how far one gets without faith....

 

[Taken]

justified not saved

Your teaching conflicts.
You are teaching...
“Oh, ya, ya, infants baptism, gives the child the Holy Spirit....Oh, ya, ya, children are confirmed they have the Holy Spirit....oh, oh, ONLY “justified”, but “not saved”.

Living physically Persons who have the Holy Spirit......ARE SAVED!
Persons who ARE SAVED....ARE SOUL SAVED
THEY ARE not “justified” to BE SOUL SAVED!
They ARE “justified” to be Bodily risen IN a glorified body!

 

[theefaith]

See how far one gets without faith....

faith yes!
Faith alone never!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

justified not saved

Justified is saved.

Justified means to be declared innocent, or righteous. which is what the term means

Come on man!!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

faith yes!
Faith alone never!

faith is never alone

But salvation is by faith alone

the works are a byproduct of faith. not a source of faith

 

[theefaith]

Your teaching conflicts.
You are teaching...
“Oh, ya, ya, infants baptism, gives the child the Holy Spirit....Oh, ya, ya, children are confirmed they have the Holy Spirit....oh, oh, ONLY “justified”, but “not saved”.

Living physically Persons who have the Holy Spirit......ARE SAVED!
Persons who ARE SAVED....ARE SOUL SAVED
THEY ARE not “justified” to BE SOUL SAVED!
They ARE “justified” to be Bodily risen IN a glorified body!

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

 

[theefaith]

No one saved until death


matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!

 

[theefaith]

Justified is saved.

Justified means to be declared innocent, or righteous. which is what the term means

Come on man!!

see below

 

[theefaith]

faith is never alone

But salvation is by faith alone

the works are a byproduct of faith. not a source of faith

never said works are the source of grace

1. Romans 10:10
   For with the heart man believeth untorighteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
   
   so salvation includes faith & works

 

[Taken]

heretic!
Heretics have no truth!
Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6 christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 the church is the truth! 1 Tim 3:15

Oh good grief, you calling people names, and declaring other people without the truth, because they do not yield to your catholic dogmas, doctrines, rituals, traditions, has nothing whatsoever to do with a person Converted IN Christ.

Oddly curious the most famous catholic basilica boasts to sit atop of dead mans bones.

 

[Taken]

never said works are the source of grace

1. Romans 10:10
   For with the heart man believeth untorighteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
   
   so salvation includes faith & works

You have already been shown, Jesus’ own declaration of saying Faith Saves.
You have already been shown, Works are rewarded.
Why continue to deny the truth?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

see below

see what?

Justified is a legal term, amazingly the same word is translated justify or righteous depending on how it is used.

We are justified (declaired) righteous based on the cross. Not based on what we do

Those who are justified have been saved from the penalty of sin. It is they who will spend eternity in heaven.

there is no salvation apart from justification

no one who is justified is not saved.