The #1 problem with this forum is…..

[Lifelong_sinner]

People’s understanding, or perhaps disagreement over salvation. I dont see nowhere near as many “debates” over other topics like baby baptisms or gated communion tables.

so this brings up the question, why is it so hard to have one understanding as to how salvation actually works? I have to assume its because of ….

*drum roll*





THE REFORMERS!!!!!!
*wild clapping and cheering*

yes, the reformers. As most of yall know, i’m a huge fan of the Reformers, and puritans. Do i think we need another Jerusalem Conference moment?? It would help, but some people just arent going to change their minds no matter the proof.

so whats the answer? Can it ever be resolved?

 

[amadeus]

People’s understanding, or perhaps disagreement over salvation. I dont see nowhere near as many “debates” over other topics like baby baptisms or gated communion tables.

so this brings up the question, why is it so hard to have one understanding as to how salvation actually works? I have to assume its because of ….

*drum roll*

THE REFORMERS!!!!!!
*wild clapping and cheering*

yes, the reformers. As most of yall know, i’m a huge fan of the Reformers, and puritans. Do i think we need another Jerusalem Conference moment?? It would help, but some people just arent going to change their minds no matter the proof.

so whats the answer? Can it ever be resolved?

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts" Prov. 21:2

"For now we see through a glass, darkly;..." I Cor 13:12

"Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." Rev 3:17-18

What is the eyesalve?

 

[Enoch111]

so this brings up the question, why is it so hard to have one understanding as to how salvation actually works?

The reason why it is so hard to have a unified belief about salvation is that Satan hates the doctrine of salvation by grace through faith (just like the doctrine of the deity of Christ). Therefore he sends his minions to sow the seeds of spiritual confusion. We are in a daily spiritual battle.

 

[Enoch111]

What is the eyesalve?

The eyesalve is a metaphor for the Holy Spirit.

 

[Cassandra]

People’s understanding, or perhaps disagreement over salvation. I dont see nowhere near as many “debates” over other topics like baby baptisms or gated communion tables.

so this brings up the question, why is it so hard to have one understanding as to how salvation actually works? I have to assume its because of ….

*drum roll*





THE REFORMERS!!!!!!
*wild clapping and cheering*

yes, the reformers. As most of yall know, i’m a huge fan of the Reformers, and puritans. Do i think we need another Jerusalem Conference moment?? It would help, but some people just arent going to change their minds no matter the proof.

so whats the answer? Can it ever be resolved?

Does it matter if people don't change their minds? I have no idea why you post this stuff when what you profess to believe you say doesn't save you. You say you are not saved, but how do you say it, are better off than you were before. That is works based--something the Reformers would have screamed at. All you have to do is ask the Lord to forgive your sins, and that is where you syart. It is not when you get better, then Jesus will accept you. Come to Him now.

 

[Abigail]

People’s understanding, or perhaps disagreement over salvation. I dont see nowhere near as many “debates” over other topics like baby baptisms or gated communion tables.

so this brings up the question, why is it so hard to have one understanding as to how salvation actually works? I have to assume its because of ….

*drum roll*





THE REFORMERS!!!!!!
*wild clapping and cheering*

yes, the reformers. As most of yall know, i’m a huge fan of the Reformers, and puritans. Do i think we need another Jerusalem Conference moment?? It would help, but some people just arent going to change their minds no matter the proof.

so whats the answer? Can it ever be resolved?

Gated communion tables? That's a first for me.

Heaven has a gate and a vetting process.

I think Salvation is personal for every person saved. Maybe people argue because when they share what they think (their) Salvation means and others disagree, it sounds like that person isn't Saved after all. And that is what makes for the defenses to spring up.

I stopped caring a long time ago what people thought of my understanding of Salvation. As long as God knows me, that's all that matters. And if people doubt that or question it they might want to consider the question as pertains to God and if God knows them. Best to take that personal I think rather than make other peoples lives a matter of one's personal opinion. What's that get us?

(looks around)

 

[amadeus]

The eyesalve is a metaphor for the Holy Spirit.

Yes!

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Does it matter if people don't change their minds? I have no idea why you post this stuff when what you profess to believe you say doesn't save you. You say you are not saved, but how do you say it, are better off than you were before. That is works based--something the Reformers would have screamed at. All you have to do is ask the Lord to forgive your sins, and that is where you syart. It is not when you get better, then Jesus will accept you. Come to Him now.

the issue is, if we as a small forum cant agree on salvation, how could we as a country or planet reach an agreement. I absolutely do believe what i say will save you. The reformers got it right. And they told us how to physically see if we are saved.
I’ve never said that salvation is works based. Works are a physical sign that you are saved. Am i better off now than say 5 yrs ago?? Yes, because i can see things that i used to do, gladly sinning that i no longer do today. But, i still do have a lot of things that need working out. And now you’ve brought up an issue that i think falls into the salvation part. Can we actually believe we are saved if we have an addiction?? A lot of different beliefs around here. It would be nice if we had a yes/ no answer.

 

[Abigail]

Jesus said in Luke 12 that he came to divide the world. It worked.

 

[amadeus]

the issue is, if we as a small forum cant agree on salvation, how could we as a country or planet reach an agreement. I absolutely do believe what i say will save you. The reformers got it right. And they told us how to physically see if we are saved.
I’ve never said that salvation is works based. Works are a physical sign that you are saved. Am i better off now than say 5 yrs ago?? Yes, because i can see things that i used to do, gladly sinning that i no longer do today. But, i still do have a lot of things that need working out. And now you’ve brought up an issue that i think falls into the salvation part. Can we actually believe we are saved if we have an addiction?? A lot of different beliefs around here. It would be nice if we had a yes/ no answer.

"But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." Matt 5:37

 

[bbyrd009]

the monkey mind loves to run a muck. if we listen to our higher conscious and utilize it's wisdom, all will be alright.

 

[Cassandra]

the issue is, if we as a small forum cant agree on salvation, how could we as a country or planet reach an agreement. I absolutely do believe what i say will save you. The reformers got it right. And they told us how to physically see if we are saved.
I’ve never said that salvation is works based. Works are a physical sign that you are saved. Am i better off now than say 5 yrs ago?? Yes, because i can see things that i used to do, gladly sinning that i no longer do today. But, i still do have a lot of things that need working out. And now you’ve brought up an issue that i think falls into the salvation part. Can we actually believe we are saved if we have an addiction?? A lot of different beliefs around here. It would be nice if we had a yes/ no answer.

But don't you see you the deny the very thing you profess is true--that all you have to do is go to the Lord. that is what the reformers taught. but you don't really believe that because if you did, you would go to the Lord, and be confident that he will save you. Then you and HE can work together on your addiction. Let me ask you--is it something that you don't want to give up?

 

[bbyrd009]

the monkey mind loves to run a muck. if we listen to our higher conscious and utilize it's wisdom, all will be alright.

i did not make this post. “amuck” is one word
left the screen open at my work station oops

maybe i should let them post for me more often?

 

[bbyrd009]

the issue is, if we as a small forum cant agree on salvation, how could we as a country or planet reach an agreement. I absolutely do believe what i say will save you. The reformers got it right. And they told us how to physically see if we are saved.
I’ve never said that salvation is works based. Works are a physical sign that you are saved. Am i better off now than say 5 yrs ago?? Yes, because i can see things that i used to do, gladly sinning that i no longer do today. But, i still do have a lot of things that need working out. And now you’ve brought up an issue that i think falls into the salvation part. Can we actually believe we are saved if we have an addiction?? A lot of different beliefs around here. It would be nice if we had a yes/ no answer.

something you are a slave to? the answer should be obvious

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

But don't you see you the deny the very thing you profess is true--that all you have to do is go to the Lord. that is what the reformers taught. but you don't really believe that because if you did, you would go to the Lord, and be confident that he will save you. Then you and HE can work together on your addiction. Let me ask you--is it something that you don't want to give up?

i dont deny what the reformers said. I have gone to the Lord, numerous times, over and over for years, and nothing. As far as confidence, i have confidence that the Lord will save His elect. Not all who claim to be saved, are saved. My thoughts on salvation are, you repent, and the Holy Spirit, if He lives in you, will sanctify you, meaning you will become a better person. I have literally begged God to save me more times than i can keep track of, yet nothing has changed in me. Its one thing to not know you are sinning, but when you realize you are, and you stop doing that sin, thats the proof that you are being sanctified. And thats not me. I love my sin, i’ve been doing it for so long that i dont know what to do if i dont do it.

Its the easiest thing for me to do…..let me explain how easy. I can literally do my addiction while im on here posting and listening to a sermon on tv at the same time. I literally dream about doing my addiction. It is my life. I have had to goto the ER because of my addiction, come home, and in just a few hours, go back to doing what landed me in the ER to begin with. Ever gone to the ER twice in one day?? You have no idea the hell that i’m in, and yet i love it. And i have spent months where i ask God for help, daily. At some point, and this happens more often these days, you start to get the picture that perhaps, maybe im not of the elect.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

something you are a slave to? the answer should be obvious

well, you’d think it would be, but around here, its not.

 

[Lambano]

8 Concerning this I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might leave me. 9 And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” (2 Corinthians 12:8-9)

Paul never got healed of his "thorn in the flesh". This is an example what salvation by grace through faith really looks like. It doesn't necessarily follow the repentance/sanctification ordo salutis model of salvation you set out.

Can you trust the Lord to save you even if you NEVER get healed of your addiction?

 

[Enoch111]

Can we actually believe we are saved if we have an addiction??

Why would you want to hang on to your addiction if you were saved? That sounds bizarre.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Why would you want to hang on to your addiction if you were saved? That sounds bizarre.

well, i think you have it backwards. I love my addiction, obviously, but want to be saved. Cant be both, and thats why i say im not saved. 1 john says if we practice sin, we arent saved. What else is addiction, but practicing?

 

[Scott Downey]

well, i think you have it backwards. I love my addiction, obviously, but want to be saved. Cant be both, and thats why i say im not saved. 1 john says if we practice sin, we arent saved. What else is addiction, but practicing?

Paul also says he forced his body into subjection, and when you read Romans 7, you see Paul also had his struggles against the flesh and called himself a wretched man but rejoiced that Christ delivers him from the body of death. The thing is this body is dead because of sin, Romans 8:10, and the body of flesh, is going to rot and be destroyed, that includes the old man of the flesh with its corrupt lusts. The new man of the Spirit has eternal life, and these 2 are not joined as one with the same fate. Everyone has the old man and the new man. We do not totally lose the old man until we physically die. John also wrote this, about the old man and the new man, the old man sins, but the new man does not and can not sin. And everyone still has both, otherwise how can Paul and John write what they did? God only looks for the new man of the Spirit joined with Christ to consider you saved. In v8, John says we have sin, and in v9 John says we do not and can not sin, but see he is talking about 2 different men, the old man sins, but the new man has no sin, God has perfected the new man, and all our sins are forgiven us, not for our sakes, but for the sake of Christ, as in His name is preached the forgiveness of sins.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 2:12 Their Spiritual State
I write to you, little children, Because your sins are forgiven you for His name’s sake.

1 John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.


Paul runs the race to win the prize, the reward from God for a race well run, SOME people experience a better resurrection with greater rewards than do others.
1 Corinthians 9
24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it.
25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown.
26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air.

27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.