The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

[Taken]

Let's make sure we properly define our terms:

Death means "separation from God" only in the present: "She that liveth in pleasure IS dead while she liveth".

Death means "cessation of life" when our lives come to an end at some point in the future: "The Soul that sinneth, it SHALL die".

Again, if the Soul comes into existence only as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life, how can that Soul continue to exist once the Body returns to the ground, the Breath to God, and this union is no more?

It can't.

The Body SHALL Die, know nothing.
The Living soul SHALL depart the dying body.
The Saved Living soul, rises up to Heaven to wait Judgement.
The UnSaved Living soul, is sent to Hell to wait Judgement.
The Born Again spirit SHALL depart the dying body.
The Born Again spirit Shall rise up to Heaven to wait Judgement.
The natural spirit of man (NOT born again) shall die with it’s body, know nothing.

All bodily flesh sins. All souls in men sins. All natural spirit of men sins.
Sin is AGAINST GOD.
The Body of Flesh is Born AGAINST God...because a newborn IS NOT WITH God.
The soul in the Flesh is Born AGAINST God....because a newborn IS NOT WITH God.
The natural spirit of man, in a man, IS that individuals Truth in his Heart...And IS AGAINST God....because a newborn IS NOT WITH God.

Scripture IS CLEAR....ANYONE NOT WITH GOD...IS AGAINST God.
Matt 12:
[30] He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Luke.11
[23] He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

* As the infant grows, begins hearing, learning, following along what their adult care taker says, believes, does.
* As they become adults, THEY become accountable for what they hear, learn, Freely choose, believe, and do.

God has Offered a Precise WAY to BECOME:
Forgiven their SINS AGAINST God, Willing LAY DOWN their own Life for their Belief IN the Lord God Almighty, (crucified WITH Christ), their soul Saved (ie restored), their spirit Quickened (born again), the Spirit of God enter “IN” them and KEEP them, “in belief, soul saved, spirit alive and Forever “WITH” God; Kept BY His Power....Never Again possible to Sin AGAINST God.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Disagree with most of your view.

And that is your prerogative. We all express our beliefs here in the hope of sparking further investigation into what we hold as truth. There is only one truth and one source of it according to Jesus...and that means that many are holding the wrong view because it suits them to believe what they want to believe. Believing what is not truth benefits no one, but God will never interfere with our free will in this. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12) If we have our own personal 'delusions', we will not be corrected. We are showing God who we really are without his interference....all caught in the act of being ourselves.

I have never said they a “spirit OF man”, And a “soul OF man”, is the same....
Nor that the Spirit OF God “IN” a man is a mans Spirit.

Most of those in Christendom see no difference between the two terms but there is a world of difference.

There is no teaching of an immortal soul in the Bible. The ancient Jews held different beliefs to those who apostatized later. Greek influence changed their ideas about the soul....and the meaning of "sheol", despite the fact that Solomon outlined the meaning very clearly.
Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10....
"For the living know that they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor do they have a reward any longer, for their memory is forgotten. Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun. . . . .Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity, planning, knowledge, or wisdom in Sheol where you are going."

Ecclesiastes 3:19-20...
"For the fate of the sons of mankind and the fate of animals is the same. As one dies, so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath, and there is no advantage for mankind over animals, for all is futility. 20 All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust."

The dead souls, both man and animals, return to the dust. (Like Adam was told in Genesis 3:19) There is no advantage of man over the animals in death. If humans had gone to a better place, how could Solomon (a man given all his wisdom by God) say that?

The only difference is that humans were promised a resurrection, which is nothing to do with an immortal soul that never dies. You cannot resurrect someone who is not dead. The teaching of the resurrection got lost in the teachings of men because immortality of the soul is found nowhere in the Hebrew scriptures, but it is all through pagan religions, hence God's warning in Deuteronomy 18:9-12.

I didn’t need to quote the whole Scripture to make my point.

Yes you did....you failed to mention that the "souls" (people) who sin against God will die. "Souls" are not separate parts of man that inhabit their bodies and depart for destinations unknown at death. The destination of all living things that die is clearly stated. They are dead......"dead" means the opposite of "alive". Where did we get the idea that we "surely will not die"? Not from God.

And? The soul that IS FORGIVEN SHALL LIVE.

Indeed....all can be forgiven except those who cannot be told, or who want to maintain beliefs that are not true.
The Jews in Jesus' day show us what happens when a whole nation has bad leadership. Christendom has never had good leadership because if they did, no divisions would have occurred. If God's spirit was operating among them, then there would be one truth...not hundreds.
The "wheat and the weeds" (true Christianity and false or counterfeit Christianity) were to "grow together" until "the harvest" when the "reapers" are instructed to gather up the weeds and destroy them. The "weeds" will not know how God views them until he sentences them to destruction. There will have been plenty of time for people to make their choices. No excuses will be accepted. (Matthew 7:21-23)

 

[quietthinker]

For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life..John3:16

Ahhh yes, perish is an option...it seems its the absence of eternal life. I wonder if death has anything to do with perish? ....or am I just a dim wit who can't tell the difference between perish, death and life eternal?... or do I need more gymnastic lessons to make death mean life eternal..... either in bliss or frying torment?

 

[Taken]

There is no teaching of an immortal soul in the Bible.

The dead souls, both man and animals, return to the dust.

Disagree. “Souls” do NOT come from the dust.

Yes you did....you failed to mention that the "souls" (people) who sin against God will die. "Souls" are not separate parts of man that inhabit their bodies and depart for destinations unknown at death.

I do not believe Souls come from the dust.
Scripture clearly teaches Body’s of men come from the dust and return to dust.
Scripture clearly teaches Body’s of men are Created and Souls are Made.
Scripture clearly teaches God Creates...and Makes changes to His Creations.

The destination of all living things that die is clearly stated. They are dead......"dead" means the opposite of "alive". Where did we get the idea that we "surely will not die"? Not from God.

What I did get from Gods Word, is mans Carnal Understanding is but foolishness compared to Gods Understanding.
Dead to you means “opposite of alive.”
That is not a meaning, it’s an antonym.
A “meaning” is what DEAD IS.
Dead is void of Life.
Carnally void of Life, is without (blood beating the heart) Life.
Spiritually void of Life, is without Gods (fullness) of Life.
* Carnally a Body that is PHYSICALLY Dead, is void of Life, (it’s life IS its Blood in motion.)
* Spiritually a body, a soul, a spirit that is VOID of God is SPIRITUALLY Dead, MEANING....(Separated from God)....even IF it’s Physical Blood is IN Motion, beating it’s heart.

Human Body’s are created from the dust of the earth.
Human Body’s are formed by the hand of God.
Human Body’s are formed with the ability to think and believe in it’s MIND (truth & lies)
Human Body’s are formed with the ability to think and believe in it’s ‘natural spirit’ in it’s HEART, (it’s truth)

Body’s of men, are NOT via that mans Choice.
Receiving a soul from God, is NOT via that mans Choice.
Receiving a natural spirit from God, is NOT via that mans Choice.

A man Caring for his body (WITH Gods “provisions” OF mans habitat, Earth) ...IS that mans Choice.
A man Caring for his soul (WITH Gods “provisions” OF Gods Word)
...IS that mans Choice.
A man Caring for his spirit (WITH Gods “provisions” OF Gods Spirit)
...IS that mans Choice.

* Souls are given INTO a formed born body, via Gods Breath, (not oxygen).
VIA Gods Works, “MAKING” a change in that formed body. The Change is “MAKING” that body Alive.

* SOME Humans “natural spirits from a mans seed”, are given VIA Gods Works, a NEW SEED, Gods Seed, that RE-births a mans “natural spirit”, MADE CHANGED. The change is “MAKING” that new spirit, able to RECEIVE Gods TRUTH.

Point being;
ALL flesh LIFE, (which the LIFE “OF” the flesh is it’s BLOOD), SHALL CEASE to live. IT MUST DIE, God requires it.
ALL DEAD body’s SHALL have their “living souls” (saved and unsaved) returned to their bodys’. Their body’s SHALL rise up (via Gods command and via the Living soul returning to their body’s).
SOME shall be raised UP to the Face of the Earth, IN A Glorified eternally Living Body, with their eternally Living soul and eternally Living spirit....and wholly, body, soul, spirit.......FACE their Judgement and Sentence....
* Occupy the Earth forever, with their Lord God.
SOME shall be raise UP in Hell, IN their corrupted body, their living soul, their natural spirit........and their wholly, corrupt body, sinful living soul, natural spirit truth...
SEE their Judge Christ Jesus, Believe, Bow down to Him....then Face their Judgement and Sentence...
* Have the life in their soul, return to God, their body and soul destroyed in Hell, remembered no more.

ALL soul LIFE, (is Gods Breath). All souls ARE NOT condemned to DEATH.
All soul LIFE, (Because of the first mans rejection of Gods Word), thereafter caused EVERY Human, to BE naturally BORN, body, soul, spirit IN SIN AGAINST GOD.
ALL forgiven souls, SHALL remain ALIVE with Gods BREATH.
ALL Unforgiven souls, SHALL have Gods Breath Departed from that soul, return to God (who gave it), and that soul DESTROYED.

ALL natural spirits of man (mans TRUTH in his Heart), SHALL DIE.
SOME natural spirits of man, SHALL be “RE-born” OF Gods SEED.
SOME natural spirits of man, SHALL NOT be “Re-born” OF Gods SEED.

 

[Taken]

The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever...

Regarding Humans...they without God shall perish.
What is the Torments of a Human body, soul, spirit, without Life in it?

 

[marks]

"Ye shall not surely die" - needs no damage control clarification at all, right?

Did you ever really answer me, Did they in FACT die on that very day?

Much love!

 

[marks]

OK, I'm going to hold your feet to the fire, friend
Let's lay aside all preconceived notions for a moment and focus on Genesis 2:7 KJV, shall we?

This verse teaches the Soul comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life.

If you hadn't read a single thing else in Scripture, wouldn't you simply conclude that at death when this union is broken and the Spirit returns to God and the Body to the dust, the Soul would just cease to be, as light from a bulb ceases to shine once the current is switched off? If so, doesn't that warrant an investigation into whether the texts used to support "Immortal Soul" doctrine can be interpreted differently?

For one thing, you are defining a level of ignorance, and arguing that we should just go with whatever we conclude. And Hypotheticals aren't real, and are like the water from a spigot, you can turn it and change it,

The fact is, wouldn't you, having read the account of the witch of Endor, and nothing else in the Bible, wouldn't you conclude that physical death is not the end of the man?

You've said, "This verse teaches the Soul comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life." The fact is, it does not. You may infer that so from the verse. You may even claim the verse implies it. But no, it does not actually teach that.

What this historical narrative verse does is it tells us how Jesus made the first man, how He breathed into him, making him a living creature, imbued with the Image of God.

It reminds me of so much later, Jesus breathed into them, "Receive ye the Holy Spirit!" And they were embued with new life. But does that teach how it is for everyone who comes to new life in Christ?

Much love!

 

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There are two options to consider:
1) The Bible calls the spirit "Samuel" because it was indeed Samuel.
2) The Bible calls the spirit "Samuel" because it was a familiar spirit impersonating Samuel.

Option 1, the Bible is accurate and true.
Option 2, the Bible is inaccurate, and not true.

I'm going with option one, regardless of you argument of why this passage is not to be believed. It's historical narrative, the same type of writing that tells us Jesus died and rose again.

Just like Jesus telling the Saducees, God is the God of Abraham, the God of the living, therefore Abraham lives.

True harmony is when you can put ALL the passages together and let them stand in what they are truly saying.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Look, I'm sure you've put in some serious study, but let's lay aside the 21st century "wisdom" of false pulpit prophets who got one hand on the Bible and the other on a porn app,

OK, I'm not stepping down there with you, if this is where you're heading, so long!

Much love!

 

[marks]

William Tyndale's An Answer To Sir Thomas Moore:

"The true faith putteth [setteth forth] the resurrection, which we be warned to look for every hour. The heathen philosophers, denying that, did put [set forth] that the souls did ever live. And the pope joineth the spiritual doctrine of Christ and the fleshly doctrine of philosophers together; things so contrary that they cannot agree, no more than the Spirit and the flesh do in a Christian man. And because the fleshly-minded pope consenteth unto heathen doctrine, therefore he corrupteth the Scripture to stablish it."

Appeal to authority, and simply maligning the doctrine you oppose.

So there ya go. I think we've concluded our arguments.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

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What is the Torments of a Human body, soul, spirit, without Life in it?

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To die "without God" means you are not become "the temple of the Holy Spirit."
It means you are water baptized, but not born again as 'Christ iN YOU the hope of Glory".
So, these water baptized deceived will die. And their dead body will return to dust, and the real them, their eternal SPIRIT, that was never born again by the Spirit of God, will still meet God. However they will meet Him as JUDGE, and not as Father, as He never spiritually birthed them to be a SON of God., as "ONE WITH GOD", "In Christ".

So these, water baptized, deceived...= will be sent to the place that was created before Adam was created, and designed for the DEVIL and HIS Angels.
This is HELL, then later the LAKE OF FIRE.

 

[post]

It is a conclusion manifested BY, THOUGH, OF hearing, reading, learning, Gods Word of Knowledge and Receiving Gods Gift of His Understanding.

I can neither point you to a billeted LIST in Scripture, nor Understand For you.
You have opportunity to do your own work. Hear, Read, Study.
Word search Gods Word throughout Scripture.<—- which IS studying.
Any Word....good, holy, celestial, terrestrial, spirit, created, made, evil, wicked, trust, believe, confess, “IF...THEN”, etc.
....Apply it in context to “who, what, when, why, where”....
....”IF” YOU are the “WHO”, in context...then it applies TO YOU.
....”IF” YOU ARE NOT THE “WHO” in context...then it does not apply TO YOU.

EXAMPLE:
1 Cor 15:
[40] There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

Celestial IS heavenly. Terrestrial IS earthly.
Celestial IS created ‘HOLY”. Terrestrial IS created “GOOD”.
BOTH Creations are “CREATED”, then “MADE” “ALIVE”, by the POWER of God.
BOTH the Created and Made “alive”.....HAVE FREEWILL...
....To KEEP, their HOLINESS
....To KEEP, their GOODNESS
....To REJECT, their HOLINESS
....To REJECT, their GOODNESS
BOTH the Created and Made “alive” HAVE their OWN “ESTATE”.
... A Celestials Estate IS Heaven.
... A Terrestrial Estate IS Earth.
BOTH the Created and Made “alive”...CAN LOSE their “status”....OF HOLY....OF GOOD and “LOSE access TO their ESTATE, (BECAUSE OF THEIR Freewill CHOICES).
... A Celestial...was Created and Made “SPIRITS”...and “HOLY”

Heb 1:13-14
[13] But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
[14] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Tob 11:
[14] And he wept, and said, Blessed art thou, O God, and blessed is thy name for ever; and blessed are all thine holy angels:

Angels are celestials. Angels were created Holy. Angels are Spirits. Angels have Freewill. Angels that REMAIN Holy are Blessed.
* What about the Holy Angels the Freely Choose to Reject God?
...The Lose their “holiness”, they Lose their “estate”, they Lose being Blessed by God...They are called FALLEN...They are called DEMONIC...They are called Devils.

Isa 14:12 KJV
How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground...ie EARTH.
Rev 16:14 ESV
For they are demonic spirits...
Matt 25: KJV
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Angels ARE NOT CALLED DEAD. They REMAIN HOLY WITH God, or they Lose their HOLINESS, and become Separated from God, Sent to A flaming fire pit in Hell Forever.
Luke 20:
[36] Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

* Human men ...... ARE Earthly Terrestrial BODYS....THEY ARE NOT SPIRITS
1 Cor 6:
[20] For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Gal.6
[18] Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

** Human men “HAVE” a spirit within their BODY.
* a Human mans “Natural SPIRIT”, IS his “NATURAL TRUTH IN His Heart”...
(NOT his MIND.......rather IN his HEART).

* A human man has been Offered, by, through, of Jesus, (God Word) TO HAVE HIS “NATURAL SPIRIT”....BECOME “MADE” A “spiritual Spirit”...by, through, of Christ (WHO IS Gods POWER)....via Gods SEED....(WHO IS CHRIST), Via Making the man A NEW HEART, via Gods SEED via entering the mans NEW HEART, and Re- BIRTHING that mans “natural spirit of a mans seed”.......to “REBORN SPIRIT via Gods SEED”...and Receiving a NEW TRUTH....ie Gods TRUTH.

Ezekiel 18:
[31] Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Ezek.36
[26] A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. ——>

THEN shall that mans SPIRIT, BE “LIKE” an Angel (who IS Spirit), who can NEVER DIE....and Remember Conversion, IS an EXPRESS Freewill request of the individual.



** WORD STUDY!! IN Context!
God, (called by whatever Name), IS Spirit, IS Life, IS without beginning, IS without Ending, Can NOT DIE. He IS ( the Giver, Taker, Giver, Taker......OF LIFE.)

ALL PHYSICAL EARTHLY FLESH natural body’s LIFE IS IT’S “BLOOD”.
ALL physical earthly flesh natural body’s LIFE (Blood) SHALL DIE....
God Requires it! (Gen 9:5)

ALL souls BELONG TO GOD.



No one said Satan has “Christ”....however Satan IS a Spirit, IS living, IS NOT Subject to Death....same as a Man who HAS a Spirit born of God, IS NOT Subject to Death. Spiritual Spirits do not Die....Corrupt Spiritual Spirits become Separated from God, a TYPE of death that is NOT Physical.



Sure. Have you never heard their testimony?



Are you simply a figment of ones imagination...? LOL

So, in brief, you have argued that angels are spiritual beings, and spiritual things do not cease to exist, whereas earthly things do - correct?

And you have also agreed that we ((and by extension all living souls, which includes all animal life)) are not merely physical beings but also have spiritual, non-physical components. Correct?

Stands to reason then that the soul of mankind is not annihilated, whether it spends eternity in Life, which is Christ, or apart from Him, which is the second death.

 

[Behold]

ALL physical earthly flesh natural body’s LIFE (Blood) SHALL DIE....
God Requires it! (Gen 9:5)

God did not "require" that Adam and Eve died.
But rather they both died because sin entered that brought both spiritual "separation" and physical death to their bodies.
Had They never sinned, they would have never died.

When you read Hebrews 9:27. that says you have an appointment with death......that means that each of use is born to die.
There is that day, appointed to all.
How that happens, is how that happens.

 

[Taken]

So, in brief, you have argued that angels are spiritual beings, and spiritual things do not cease to exist, whereas earthly things do - correct?

That is my view.

And you have also agreed that we ((and by extension all living souls, which includes all animal life)) are not merely physical beings but also have spiritual, non-physical components. Correct?

Stands to reason then that the soul of mankind is not annihilated, whether it spends eternity in Life, which is Christ, or apart from Him, which is the second death.

That might at first seem reasonable...However the soul IN a man, belongs to God. The Life in a soul belongs to God. Gods Life is eternal. God MADE souls.
Life IN a soul CAN return to God. Souls God MADE CAN be destroyed.

Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Isa 57:
[16] For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

Ezek 18:
[4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Matt 10:
What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Taken]

God did not "require" that Adam and Eve died.
But rather they both died because sin entered that brought both spiritual "separation" and physical death to their bodies.
Had They never sinned, they would have never died.

When you read Hebrews 9:27. that says you have an appointment with death......that means that each of use is born to die.
There is that day, appointed to all.
How that happens, is how that happens.

I said God requires the LIFE of man.
Blood is the LIFE of man.

Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.


What does Gods requirement have to do with Adam’s choices?

 

[post]

That might at first seem reasonable...However the soul IN a man, belongs to God. The Life in a soul belongs to God. Gods Life is eternal. God MADE souls.
Life IN a soul CAN return to God. Souls God MADE CAN be destroyed.

This is not different than the case with angels, whom He also made and quickened

So it is a question of what is God's nature? He does not annihilate Satan. If we say it is unjust that He does not annihilate man, then we have not escaped accusing Him.

 

[Taken]

This is not different than the case with angels, whom He also made and quickened

Now you are speaking of “spirit” life. I find God Does give “spirit” Life to celestials and terrestrials, but find at no such time God removes “spirit” life from a being.

So it is a question of what is God's nature?

Briefly in one word I would say Gods nature is ..... Holy.

He does not annihilate Satan.

So?

If we say it is unjust that He does not annihilate man, then we have not escaped accusing Him.

That is your thought and your expression, (not mine), thus the conclusion is also your thought and your expression, (not mine).

 

[post]

So?

So if He does not annihilate Satan I see no probable reason to presume He treats the spirit of man differently - He is not a respecter of persons

 

[Taken]

So if He does not annihilate Satan I see no probable reason to presume He treats the spirit of man differently - He is not a respecter of persons

Person is the natural body. Already addressed body’s can be destroyed.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Disagree. “Souls” do NOT come from the dust.

Let me ask you what you believe that the *biblical* definition of a “soul” is?

What did the ancient Jews (like Solomon and David) believe that a “soul” was?
What about Moses, who wrote Genesis?

What do the Christian scriptures teach that a “soul” is? Are the definitions different?
Did God give one definition to the ancients and a different one to the Christian disciples of Jesus?

I do not believe Souls come from the dust.
Scripture clearly teaches Body’s of men come from the dust and return to dust.
Scripture clearly teaches Body’s of men are Created and Souls are Made.
Scripture clearly teaches God Creates...and Makes changes to His Creations.

What we "believe" may not be true....so are we willing to examine the evidence honestly?

God created a body for Adam from the dust (or elements) of the earth (which science confirms).
But reading Genesis 2:7 we see that God breathed “life” into Adam’s body and began the process by which all things live....”breathing”.
"And the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and He breathed into his nostrils the soul of life, and man became a living soul (nep̄eš)." (Genesis 2:7 Jewish Tanakh)

According to Strongs, the same word is used for all the "creatures" that God created (Genesis 1:20-30).....all are "souls". We all breathe the same air and die the same death and go to the same place.....so please tell me why Solomon could say that humans have no advantage over animals in death, if that was not true? (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20) Are we to assume that animals also have some spiritual part of them that goes somewhere else at death?

Does it say that God “gave” Adam a “soul”? Or does it say that Adam “BECAME” a “soul” when God started him breathing?

When you answer my first question about what a “soul” is in the Bible, you will see that any animate, living, breathing creation of God is called a “soul” in Genesis. (Hebrew, nep̄eš or neʹphesh, which literally means “a breathing creature”.) Most translations will render it "creature" but it is the same word for "soul"....a "breather".

When we (any living creature) stop breathing we die....like Ezekiel 18:4 says....
"Behold, all souls are Mine. Like the soul of the father, like the soul of the son they are Mine; the soul that sins, it shall die." (Jewish Tanakh) Souls are mortal. So there is no claim from scripture that can be made to state otherwise.

Animals were not created in God's image and so they have a natural cycle of life and are 'programmed' for death...unlike humans for whom death is foreign....something to be avoided at all costs. We were not created to die. If humans had not sinned, they never would have died. (Genesis 3:22-24) God had to deny access to the "tree of life" to carry out the death penalty. And since God told them that "in the day they ate from it they would surely die"....what then was the "day" God spoke about?
2 Peter 3:8...answers...
"But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day."
Not a single "soul" made it to 1,000 years old....so all died before a "day" was over for them.

Receiving a soul from God, is NOT via that mans Choice.
Receiving a natural spirit from God, is NOT via that mans Choice.

Again we need to consult our original language word studies....what is the "spirit" that we humans have? If the "soul" is not immortal....what about the "spirit"?

Genesis 2:7 mentions the "breath of life" the "breath" in that verse is "nᵊšāmâ" which is in all living creatures according to Genesis 7:22....speaking of all the living beings that would die in the flood, it says...
"Everything that had the breath of the spirit of life in its nostrils, of all that were on the dry land, died." (Tanakh)
This is the "spirit" in living creatures, including man, who all died in that deluge....it is the action of breathing that keeps all living things animated.....we share the same 'breathing mechanism' as all sentient creatures do. It begins at birth with that first breath....that is the "spirit"...it is not some invisible conscious part of man that leaves the body at death either.

The whole *immortal soul* idea falls apart completely when we just do a little research and and are capable of entertaining a new or different belief. Humans die like animals do....and there is no part of them that lives on after death. They have gone to "sleep" in their graves, awaiting the resurrection, which for the majority of mankind, was to take place after God's purpose was completed.

Jesus said his friend Lazarus was "sleeping" before he resurrected him, (John 11:11-14) and Paul spoke of those "sleeping" in death. (1 Thessalonians 4:13) The grave is a place of rest from the trials of this life, awaiting the resurrection which Jesus promised in John 5:28-29. He will call all the dead from the same place and the "righteous and the unrighteous" (Acts 24:15) will come back with a clean slate, in a new world of God's making, ruled over by the best King humanity could ever have. (2 Peter 3:13)

The incorrigibly wicked will have no resurrection. Their death means going to "gehenna". A place where God "destroys" both body and soul (Matthew 10:28)....they are stripped of life forever.

Satan has perpetuated this false belief of life after death in order to support the very first lie he told to the woman in Eden.....it was the devil who said she 'would not die'.....not God.

ALL flesh LIFE, (which the LIFE “OF” the flesh is it’s BLOOD), SHALL CEASE to live. IT MUST DIE, God requires it.

So regardless of how much we want to believe that life somehow continues after death....this ides was absent from the minds of God's ancient people but infiltrated their thinking from the pagan nations which were saturated with it. (Deuteronomy 18:9-12)

The Greeks particularly were very influential in replacing the original Jewish belief in the resurrection, with the satanic lie that convinced the woman in Eden to sin.

Read the scriptures without the *immortal soul* lens and you will see the truth.....