The Sacrifice of Jesus.....revisited

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BarneyFife

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It might work on the Unorthodox Doctrine Forum
That is hilarious, Bob!

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No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood ? Nay, it will increase the condemnation.
The priests indeed receive such offering as reconciliation of the worshippers for the trespasses against the law of Moses, but for sins agains the Law of God there can be no remission, save by repentance and amendment.

1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

-Blood Sacrifice is leaven from the pharisees:

Matthew 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

-Corruption of the covenant of Levi:

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

-Blood Sacrifice is not what our Father in Heaven wants:

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

-Blood Sacrifice was not commanded by our Father:

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

-Blood sacrifice is "of fools" and evil:

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
 

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without shedding of blood is no remission

Deuteronomy 19:15 A single witness shall not rise up against a man on account of any iniquity or any sin which he has committed; on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed.

You will have to do better than one witness. I presented you with Samuel, Ezekiel, Malachi, David, Isaiah, Jerimiah and Solomon. So the matter is more than established.
 

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That is hilarious, Bob!

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Unorthodox?
Hum?
Does mean you don’t wear a hat or have a beard?

a long grey beard? a thing that could interfere with you’re pick-in!

Ain’t B’s a fixen chicken and dumplings!

cant see 25 cents got a little flour and grease!

I’ll take a guess and you’re name is Matty Ross!

that’s bold talk for a one eyed fat man!
 

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Deuteronomy 19:15 A single witness shall not rise up against a man on account of any iniquity or any sin which he has committed; on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed.

You will have to do better than one witness. I presented you with Samuel, Ezekiel, Malachi, David, Isaiah, Jerimiah and Solomon. So the matter is more than established.
Mounds of proof texts can be amassed to support all manner of heresy.

I'm not exactly sure what it is you believe you have established, but if it is that the blood of Christ does not cleanse those who come to God by Him from sin then, here are a few more witnesses:

Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mark 14:24
And he said to them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

Luke 22:20
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

John 6:53-56
Then Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

John 19:34
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and immediately came there out blood and water.

Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore to yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost has made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he has purchased with his own blood.

Romans 3:24,25
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

1 Corinthians 10:16
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

1 Corinthians 11:25
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do you, as oft as you drink it, in remembrance of me.

Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Ephesians 2:13,16
But now in Christ Jesus you who sometimes were far off are made near by the blood of Christ.

Colossians 1:14,20
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Hebrews 9:12-14
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Hebrews 10:19,20,29
Having therefore, brothers, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaks better things that that of Abel.

Hebrews 13:12,20
Why Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

1 Peter 1:2,18,19
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, to obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleans us from all sin.

1 John 5:6,8
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.

Revelation 1:5,6
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. To him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Revelation 5:9
And they sung a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Revelation 7:14
And I said to him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives to the death.
 
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The sacrifice of Jesus:-

1...Was it to balance some sort of scales justice/injustice...cosmic or otherwise?
2...Was it because God had a taste for blood?
3...Is 'sacrifice' the right word ...and if so, why?
4...Did Jesus have anything to say about sacrifice....if so, what?

Who has the courage to think outside the square of this delicate subject and still be faithful to the intent of the scriptures?

a late Edit...
5...How is or what has The Kingdom of God to do or connected with sacrifice??

1. No.
2. No.
3. It was meant as a final powerful statement, a rallying cry, about God to demonstrate to man that, yes, God can conquer death. And I think sacrifice is correct, Jesus accepted the need for this act ahead of time.
4. Well Jesus spoke of forsaking the World to a certain extent, sacrificing those 'good things'.
5. No. The Kingdom of God is a mindset that we will follow God and not the World. Jesus' death helps us to make that decision.
 

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Are you arguing with me or agreeing with me?

just so I knows where I stand!

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Briscoe Darling!
My business requires quiet and dignity. Dignity!

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Yeah, Boy, that number was some kinda purty!

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Thank you! | You welcome. | You also under arrest. | Disturbin' the peace.

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Picked a good day to get arrested, tho. Yes Sir, Aunt Bee's a' fixin' chicken and dumplin's fer dinner.

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blood of Christ

Physical red blood from the innocent cannot take away sin, drinking blood is againts the Law, so the blood that takes away sin is the Life and Truth of Christ, which was given for the sheep, those who eat of His Truth and Life shall live forever.
 
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Physical red blood from the innocent cannot take away sin,

"Life is in the Blood".
"without the shedding of Blood there is no remission (forgiveness) of sin"..

The reason that the Blood of Jesus is a one time eternal sacrifice for the sin of the entire world, is because Jesus is God.
This means that God shed His own Blood for us., which makes this Blood Sacrifice that is given by GOD on the Cross, an eternal redemption.

Jesus says,... If you dont take me into your heart as your Savior, then you will die in your sins.
This means, you did not allow Jesus to die for them on The Cross.....so, you will.
And this Death.....is the 2nd Death, but its not the cessation of your spiritual existence, its the eternal damnation found as the wrath of God.
John 3:36

Its a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God., after you have died rejecting His Son's offer of forgiveness for all your sin.

But its a wonderful thing to receive God's forgiveness by Faith, and be born again, and KNOW that you have Eternal Life living inside you, as Jesus is "The resurrection and The life".

"Christ IN YOU the hope of Glory"... (Glory is Heaven).
 

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Physical red blood from the innocent cannot take away sin, drinking blood is againts the Law, so the blood that takes away sin is the Life and Truth of Christ, which was given for the sheep, those who eat of His Truth and Life shall live forever.
Yeah, I kinda thought you'd have it figured out better than Paul and them other dummies that writ the Bible.
 
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-Blood Sacrifice is not what our Father in Heaven wants:
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Saying that Jesus was not sent by God to this world to die on the Cross, as the Blood Atonement, is to deny the Cross, and is to preach an anti-Christ, enemy of the Cross false gospel. Galatians 1:8
Dont do that, as that offends the Holy Spirit, Daniel.
That will get you rebuked, and don't say i didnt warn you.
 

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Against the Law and the Prophets I do not speak,

Trying to sound spiritual is the exact proof you are not, Daniel.
Believe it.

And remember, its MOSES who gave the Law, and its GOD who gave the Cross.
You better figure this out, as your anti-Cross gospel will find you rebuked.
Ive seen it happen.
God's Cross is not mocked, and you keep doing it.
 

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its MOSES who gave the Law

Deuteronomy 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Psalm 25:10 All the paths of the Lord are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.