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Night is the time the body sleeps. Are you negating sleep because that is a darkness event? God is not the sun. The sun is not a representation of God. The sun is a very talented angel at the most, otherwise it is just a mechanical light that God has control over.
God has spoken and created in parables and images:
  • Man in His own image.
  • The waters above and below.
  • Marriage.
  • Kane and Abel.
  • The ark.
  • A coat of many colors.
  • Parting the Red Sea.
  • The bread of life.
  • Crossing the Jordan.
  • The promised land.
  • David and Goliath.
  • The captivity.
  • Israel assembled as one man.
  • The Lamb of God.
  • "The kingdom of heaven is like..."
  • The bread and the wine.
  • If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.
  • The dead and the living.
  • The first Adam and the Last.
  • Christopher brought forth by Santa Maria.
  • The new world.
  • Just to name a few...
Have you not seen nor understood any of them?

Do you not perceive what He has done by a thousand thousand revelations?
 

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Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

Isa 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Gen 37:10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
Gen 37:11 And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.

Mar 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

And it was so.
Amen

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God has spoken and created in parables and images:
  • Man in His own image.
  • The waters above and below.
  • Marriage.
  • Kane and Abel.
  • The ark.
  • A coat of many colors.
  • Parting the Red Sea.
  • The bread of life.
  • Crossing the Jordan.
  • The promised land.
  • David and Goliath.
  • The captivity.
  • Israel assembled as one man.
  • The Lamb of God.
  • "The kingdom of heaven is like..."
  • The bread and the wine.
  • If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.
  • The dead and the living.
  • The first Adam and the Last.
  • Christopher brought forth by Santa Maria.
  • The new world.
  • Just to name a few...
Have you not seen nor understood any of them?

Do you not perceive what He has done by a thousand thousand revelations?
None of that has to do with the moon nor sleeping at night. The moon can also be seen during the day. Something that can not be said of the sun at night. So the moon shining during the day, refutes your thesis, that the moon represents Satan, and the sun represents God. The Bible is not ancient mythology. The Bible is the Word of God.

Yes, God uses symbolic terms in the Bible. God also gives us the literal counterparts to those symbolic terms. If no literal counterparts, then the text is literal and not symbolic. So explain which is literal, a star, or an angel? Is the star literal or is the angel literal? Because "star" is used symbolically to describe an angel.
 

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In September 1859, the Earth was struck by an awe-inspiring coronal mass ejection (CME). Astronomers observed; a brilliantly bright white flare exploded out from the sun, and auroras were seen as far south as Cuba and Jamaica.[1] This massive solar event wreaked havoc on electrical equipment across the world; telegraph wires burned off their poles, streams of fire poured forth from electrical circuits, and telegraph lines remained operative even with the batteries disconnected.

Today, electronics are way more than they were in 1859. Almost every home in the developed world is connected to an electrical grid, billions of people rely on satellites for communication, and vital supply lines depend on electricity to operate. It’s been estimated that an Electro=Magnetic Pulse attack on the United States would utterly obliterate the American energy grid and starve 90 percent of the US population. The effects of an EMP blast are similar to those of a Coronal Mass Ejection, except that a powerful enough solar blast would disable the entire planet.

How many of us are truly ready for such an event to occur? How would society and culture be affected in the long term if the Earth was hit by an electromagnetic blast like the solar storm that narrowly missed us in 2012? If all of our electronic conveniences were destroyed in the blink of an eye, modern civilization would be exposed to be as flimsy as a tinfoil hat.


With proper warning, communications satellites can be turned off before a solar storm hits the Earth. But the first stage of a CME slams into the Earth within 8 minutes, leaving no time to prepare. In this initial stage, electromagnetic radiation would block satellite signals by altering the composition of the atmosphere. With communications knocked out, it would be impossible to prepare satellites for the next stage of a solar storm. Most communications satellites wouldn’t survive the bombardment of high-speed charged particles that follows immediately behind the initial flash of light from the sun.

Military forces around the world rely on satellites for communication. Millions of monetary transactions are processed by satellites every day. People in rural areas require satellites to connect to the world, and pilots use satellites to navigate airplanes. If the second stage of a CME were to knock out the global satellite communication system, it could take months, more likely; years to bring this network back online.

While the first two stages of a massive solar storm are bad enough, the third and final stage of a CME dwarfs its precursors in terms of sheer destructive potential. Long after the radiation and charged particles associated with a CME have already made landfall on the Earth’s electromagnetic shores, a multi billion ton cloud of gas and super hot plasma would still be rushing inexorably toward us at an average speed of 3.5 million of miles per hour, taking about 24 hours to arrive.

The atmosphere protects us from being directly affected by a CME. But all hell would break loose on the surface of the planet upon contact of this mass of expelled solar matter with the Earth’s magnetosphere. Power transformers would explode all over the world, instantly plunging millions into darkness. Power lines would sag and snap, and all electronic communications systems would fail. In the case of a powerful enough solar storm, every single electronic device in the world could be destroyed instantaneously.

The planet would be without electricity, and masses of people who have been taught for generations to rely on electronics and depend on the system would suddenly be deprived of all those benefits.

The average person has no idea how to fend for themselves in a real disaster situation. Even those with a temperament suitable for such a feat have rarely amassed the means to achieve off-the-grid survival for an extended period of time.

Not only would a massive CME take down millions of phone and cable lines that serve as carriers for Internet signals, but a powerful solar storm could also fry servers in critical data centers. If, for instance, Google or Wikipedia’s servers were destroyed, it wouldn’t be much consolation to reconnect to the Internet after our long time in the dark.

Though physical records still exist of the knowledge that mankind has amassed throughout the centuries, it wouldn’t take long for books to become fuel for fires instead of the mind if a power outage lasted more than a week. If a strong enough CME were to strike the Earth, the slate of human history could potentially be wiped clean.

If the systems of our world came crashing down, those who survived would be incapable of returning to the old world even if it were magically resurrected. They would be ready for something new.

After the cataclysm, truths which have been obscured could be divulged. Technologies that have been suppressed could be revealed. The remnants of humanity would band together, remade by the experience of watching the world end.


Though most don’t contain any electronic components, human bodies are also connected to the Earth’s magnetic field. An electromagnetic aura surrounds the human body, and the nervous system carries signals with electricity. In 2014, a scientific study suggested that the risk of stroke increases during geomagnetic storms, and the potential effects of a powerful solar storm on the human body don’t end there.

Researchers have pointed out that dozens of ancient cultures believed that a massive solar event would propel humanity into an evolved stage of consciousness. Many of these cultures refer to this event as a “solar flash” and predict that those who survive this event will ascend into a state of being in which the hidden mysteries of the mind, such as telepathy, psychokinesis, and levitation, are available to all.

Ref; S. Popejoy
 
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None of that has to do with the moon nor sleeping at night. The moon can also be seen during the day. Something that can not be said of the sun at night. So the moon shining during the day, refutes your thesis, that the moon represents Satan, and the sun represents God. The Bible is not ancient mythology. The Bible is the Word of God.

Yes, God uses symbolic terms in the Bible. God also gives us the literal counterparts to those symbolic terms. If no literal counterparts, then the text is literal and not symbolic. So explain which is literal, a star, or an angel? Is the star literal or is the angel literal? Because "star" is used symbolically to describe an angel.
If your definition of "literal" is as it is in this world, it is no wonder you have responded with exception.

But, no, it's not my "thesis", but God's word that identifies Satan as the prince of darkness, and he who rules the shadows.

But, hey, never mind.
 

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Here comes the sun: Senate agrees on permanent daylight saving time
It's unclear whether the House will act to end America's fall-back, spring-forward clock-moving. But for the moment, senators basked in their agreement.

By ANTHONY ADRAGNA, BURGESS EVERETT and SARAH FERRIS

03/15/2022 03:22 PM EDT

Updated: 03/15/2022 06:12 PM EDT A bipartisan group of senators has tried and failed, for Congress after Congress, to keep America on daylight saving time permanently. Until Tuesday, when their bright idea finally cleared the chamber.

Just two days after the nation’s latest stressful “spring forward” to the later sunsets of daylight saving time, the Senate unanimously and surprisingly passed Sen. Marco Rubio’s (R-Fla.) bill to lock the clocks. The quick and consequential move happened so fast that several senators said afterward they were unaware of what had just happened.

Shortly after the Senate came back from a recess for a GOP lunch and a Democratic visit to the White House, Rubio took to the floor and passed a bill with a name befitting his state, the Sunshine Protection Act.

Rubio said the legislation’s implementation would be delayed until November 2023 to accommodate industries in the transportation sector, like airlines and trains, that already have schedules set. The House could also theoretically amend the bill to change its implementation date, which would require further Senate action.

Here comes the sun: Senate agrees on permanent daylight saving time
 

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This has absolutely nothing to do with what I am trying to warn people about.
We do have daylight saving in New Zealand. It gives us lovely long summer evenings to enjoy.
There are no coincidences.
It means something. Whether we know the effects or the results from making daylight shorter in the morning we may not know for generations.
Unless those days were shortened...
Doesn't say which end of the candle goes cold first.

I just thought it was an interesting article.

If we get hit with solar flares and the world plunges into darkness, only a handful will be truly prepared for that.
Maybe that's why everyone is crying we only have ... 7 years left?
Maybe NASA knows something we don't. And shared it with AOC. Alexandra Occasional Cortex.

If cutting off the oil and the gas don't do it, then surely taking out the electric grid will finish it off for them.
They are determined to cut population from 7 Billion to 500 million. And they will do whatever it takes to get there.
Even if it means throwing Nukes at the sun.
I heard they tried that already and created a hole in it.

Que sera sera brother..
What will be will be.

Nothing is going to save us bt our Faith in the Lord.
God Bless
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If your definition of "literal" is as it is in this world, it is no wonder you have responded with exception.

But, no, it's not my "thesis", but God's word that identifies Satan as the prince of darkness, and he who rules the shadows.

But, hey, never mind.
I never denied Satan was the "prince of darkness" a symbolic term. I said it had nothing to do with Genesis 1 and the sun and moon.
 

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Whether we know the effects or the results from making daylight shorter in the morning we may not know for generations.
You joke, surely!
There is no change to the daylight period, however we adjust our clocks.
Nothing is going to save us bt our Faith in the Lord.
THIS; you have right!
 

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There is no change to the daylight period, however we adjust our clocks.
Some people are complaining because kids will have to go to school in the dark in the winter time.
This may not effect you and me, but there are a lot of things that can happen on the way to school in the dark.
Maybe they will adjust the school hours accordingly as well.

Maybe you don't realize this on a grand scale...
Our children are being targeted for all kinds of predators. And predators like the dark.
Maybe it's not about how we adjust our clocks, but rather how we adjust our schedules around the clock.

Sometimes you have to think outside the box.
just sayin..

This world is getting sicker by the day.
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And darkness covered the face of the deep.
And God said let there be light. And God divided the darkness from the light.
Kind of like seperating the wheat from the tares.
And the Light he called day. There are children of the day.
And the darkness he called night. There are children of the night.

In heaven there is no need of the sun and moon because..
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

There is no darkness in it.
But outside the city.. where the not so pleasant are.. liars, theives, they're still in the dark.

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The word sun doesn't appear until Genesis 15 when God put Abram into a deep sleep.
Just sayin..

Gen 15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.

As a side note: I still don't know what these things mean..

Gen 15:9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three yearsold, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
Gen 15:10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
Gen 15:11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.

I know this is when God tells Abram about his seed going into captivity for 400 years, but I don't understand the symbolism of the animals.

The sun and the moon..
The moon isn't mentioned until Joseph dreams his dream regarding the sun and moon and eleven stars paying obesience to him.
In which his father replies, shall your Mother and I and your brothers bow down to you?

Before this, moon isn't even a word.

So the sun is mentioned in Abrams time, and the moon is mentioned in Jacob's time. Jacob's trouble.. hmm
Abraham = Faith Jacob = Captivity.
Light and Dark.

Just tossing things around..
thinking..
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Some people are complaining because kids will have to go to school in the dark in the winter time.
This may not effect you and me, but there are a lot of things that can happen on the way to school in the dark.
Maybe they will adjust the school hours accordingly as well.

Maybe you don't realize this on a grand scale...
Our children are being targeted for all kinds of predators. And predators like the dark.
Maybe it's not about how we adjust our clocks, but rather how we adjust our schedules around the clock.

Sometimes you have to think outside the box.
just sayin..

This world is getting sicker by the day.
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You do understand that this has been going on for over 100 years. The data should be clear by now. People have the same morals today, they had 100 years ago.

It is the lack of repentance over sin that has changed in the last 100 years.
 
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Then you have not perceived God's creation by image.
Not by imagination, no. If you think God says to some, "Do not get involved in the occult", but to others, "Go ahead and imagine it", who is trying to decieve whom? Any one can take words from any book and add a twist to them. God already knew this fact. Satan was not a totally separate creation from creation itself. Words and knowledge would be intwined in all aspects of life, and many would find double meaning any where they looked, except God said not to look.
 

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You do understand that this has been going on for over 100 years. The data should be clear by now. People have the same morals today, they had 100 years ago.

It is the lack of repentance over sin that has changed in the last 100 years.
I think it's a lot worse today then 50 years ago when I went to school.
Something fundamentally shifted like 20 years ago.
Evil isn't afraid to hide in the shadows any more.
They put it out there right in your face and try to make you accept it as "normal"

I totally agree with you, maybe I'm the one just noticing it more now that I'm getting older?
It's everywhere though. And it's getting dangerous.
You become a target if you don't agree with their behavior.
Where have I read that before? oh yeah..

1Pe 4:4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

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Not by imagination, no. If you think God says to some, "Do not get involved in the occult", but to others, "Go ahead and imagine it", who is trying to decieve whom? Any one can take words from any book and add a twist to them. God already knew this fact. Satan was not a totally separate creation from creation itself. Words and knowledge would be intwined in all aspects of life, and many would find double meaning any where they looked, except God said not to look.
That just makes it worse.

The words are Spirit and even confused by God, holding mysteries in parables (like marriage), until revealed...and you dismiss it all as occult.

So sad for you. :(
 

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Any one can take words from any book and add a twist to them.

So when Paul used Sarah and Agar as allegories he was twisting scripture?

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Or when he used the example of muzzling the ox in the law?

1Co 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
1Co 9:10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
1Co 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

Words and knowledge would be intwined in all aspects of life, and many would find double meaning any where they looked, except God said not to look.

Somebody should tell Paul....
Just sayin..
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Finally; after the Millennium, there will no longer be a sun or moon for Eternity. Isaiah 60:19-20, Revelation 22:5

Isa 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
Isa 60:20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Neither passage says the sun or moon cease to exist.

Revelation 7:16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;

A newer translation will bring the full meaning forth:

(CEV) They will never hunger or thirst again, and they won't be troubled by the sun or any scorching heat.

This was written by people who suffered greatly especially in the summer months from the extreme heat and pain from sunburns, exhaustion etc. Life in desert areas, the middle east is harsh and hard. The point of this verse is to say that hard lifestyle will no longer exist.


Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

the city had no need of the sun - to shine in it

The sun simply isn't needed for light because we have a better light. Also keep in mind it does say "the city". Plants etc still have a need for the Sun's light elsewhere around the globe.



Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Also, this does not imply that the sun is no longer shining, only that the "need" for the sun's light to bring daylight is not needed. Think of it as essentially having two sun's, one giving better light than the other but the original does not stop.


Psalms 72:17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.
18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things.
19 And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen.

1. His name shall endure for ever
2. his name shall be continued as long as the sun
3. = the sun shall endure forever

If the name of God exists forever, then the sun shall as well.

Additionally:

Psa 72:4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.
Psa 72:5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.

Psa_89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.

2Pe_3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Could new heavens mean the sun will be able to last forever? I believe so!


Isa 60:19 The sun shall be no more your light by day, nor for brightness shall the moon give you light; but the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your glory.
Isa 60:20 Your sun shall no more go down, nor your moon withdraw itself; for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your days of mourning shall be ended.

According to these verses, the sun and moon will definitely exist forever.
 
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Be good for posters here to address the issue of the OP.
A Catastrophic Threat:
A nuclear Electro-Magnetic Pulse attack or a great geomagnetic storm would be a catastrophe unprecedented in scale and scope across the United States and in the case of a huge magnitude Coronal Mass Ejection, the entire planet would be devastated.

It would collapse the technological and industrial foundations of our modern society that sustains hundreds of millions of people.

We cannot guess whether terrorists or a rogue State will make an EMP attack, but no doubt this threat exists. But as for a natural EMP event, generated by an explosion of the Suns surface, there is scientific consensus that such an event is inevitable and could happen at any time. Indeed, most people who look into this issue, agree that a CME is overdue and will probably occur in the near future.

NASA estimates in its July 2014 report, that the likelihood of a CME superstorm is 12% per decade. This virtually guarantees that we should experience one in our lifetime.


If the 1856 Carrington event happened today, this would be the result:

The high intensity EMP would not only cause a national loss of all electricity supplies and the failure of most critical infrastructures, but famine, panic and loss of law and order will kill millions of Americans. The EMP Commission estimates that within 12 months of an EMP event, two thirds of Americans would be dead.

We have had many near misses, in July 2012 one narrowly missed the earth and even the small ones that have affected us, causing blackouts and damage to electronic systems. Ref: Electric Armageddon, Dr. P.V. Fry.


The Bible’s Prophetic Word is the source for reliable information about this forthcoming worldwide disaster. In over 100 prophesies, we are told all we need to know about it.

Be aware and be prepared!
 
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