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What is Holy Spirit?
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The Holy Spirit IS the Supreme Power, Perfect Wisdom, Holy Seed OF God.

His Title is Christ.

Glory to God,
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Just one thing for the moment...

In that first UPC (United Pentecostal Church) assembly it was like a dream. I thought that everyone there was nigh onto perfect already, but that was my dream, not God's (except that He likely put it into my head. Why?)!

The "perfect" members quickly even to my naive eyes began to show their true colors. They were not complete devils, but neither would anyone want to describe them as heavenly angels.

I was comparing them in my mind with what I remembered from my active Catholic days and what I saw on active duty in the U.S. Army. These people were for certain, so much better in dress, in manners, in attitude and I was so... very, very wrong. I was looking to see black and white contrasts like in the old western movies and TV shows, where the bad guys wore black hats and the good guys, white ones. People have never been like that... at least not in my own experience. I wanted them to be with me ending up as one of the "good" guys.

Jesus in the flesh would have been, one of the good guys that is, and I suspect that someone, who has overcome the world like Jesus did would be. To my knowledge I have not met such an overcomer, although a few have come close. I have met Jesus, but not in the flesh.

That is one of the things I learned and built on thereafter...
Thanks for sharing.
One of the things I include in teaching Bible students, is not to look for "perfection" in the congregation. In other words, not to expect that there won't be flaws in persons, and some won't act unchristian.
Even in the first century Christian congregation, there were some gossipers (1 Timothy 5:13).
The apostles had to give timely reminders and admonition. Peter even got a reproving on one occasion (Galatians 2:11-14).
It got worst in the last days of the twelve, just before John died (Revelation 2-3).

So looking for "perfect" people in the congregation will result in disappointment.
Jesus did highlight the things we should look for. Among these are the zealous preaching of the good news (Matthew 24:14; Matthew 28:19, 20), remaining in his teachings (John 8:31), being no part of the world (John 15:19), and being united in love (John 13:35).

This is something that would be seen in his followers, collectively, not just individually. Matthew 23:8-12; Acts 15:22, 23, 36; Acts 21:17;1 Peter 2:17; 1 Peter 5:9
These are what I look for.

I am wondering though... did you leave the Catholic church, in search of another place to worship, or were you thinking it doesn't matter where you worship?
As you can see from the posts here, hardly would anyone here consider a kingdom hall of Jehovah's Witnesses to be a "good Christian place" to worship.

Obviously, where we worship does matter.
 
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God is Spirit and has these attributes.

Omnipresent - can be everywhere at once.
Omnipotent - is all powerful
Omniscient - is all knowing

Those are the "glories" Jesus first emptied Himself of when He was the Word of God to become born as a human baby, and then after his ministry was completed and about to die, He asked the Father for those back. John 17: 5 "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."

2 Peter 1:2-4
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Grace has been interpreted as unmerited favor and has taken on a whole false doctrine of God turning a blind eye to our sin. That is false. God hates sin, and sin is what corrupted mankind through Adam's sin. Jesus came to earth to cure that problem by becoming the second Adam. Through His sinlessness as a man Jesus destroyed the works of Satan started from the devil's encounter with Adam and Eve.

1 John 3:1-9
Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.


7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.



Romans 5:15-19
"15 For if by the one man’s (Adam's) offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous."

According to 1 John 3 that is written in contrasts between Jesus and the devil, the correct way to read 1 John 1 is the contrast of light of God vs. the darkness of Satan that is in all of us before we confess our sin and are cleansed of all unrighteousness, having it taken away (not merely covered) by the cleansing light of God.

1 John 1:
vs. 5 God is light
vs. 6 if you walk in darkness (no indwelling God)
vs. 7 if you walk in the light as Jesus is in the light (has indwelling God)
vs. 8 if you are still a sinner but say you are without sin, (no indwelling God) (we are only without sin once cleansed and it is taken away by Christ)
vs. 9 if you confess your sin He cleanses us of ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS to be without sin. (same as Acts 2:38 to receive Holy Spirit)
vs. 10 if you say you were born without sin (no indwelling God)

1 John 5:18
18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
May I ask, why you gave me a sermon on sin, rather than show me where in the Bible it says God is omnipresent?
 

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May I ask, why you gave me a sermon on sin, rather than show me where in the Bible it says God is omnipresent?

Jeremiah 23:23-24
“Am I a God who is near,” declares the Lord,
“And not a God far off?
“Can a man hide himself in hiding places
So I do not see him?” declares the Lord.
“Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares the Lord.

Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the Lord are in every place,
Watching the evil and the good.

1 Kings 8:27
“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!

Matthew 18:20
For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”

Psalms 139:7-10
Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
If I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
If I take the wings of the dawn,
If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea,

Job 34:21
“For His eyes are upon the ways of a man,
And He sees all his steps.
 
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Jeremiah 23:23-24
“Am I a God who is near,” declares the Lord,
“And not a God far off?
“Can a man hide himself in hiding places
So I do not see him?” declares the Lord.
“Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares the Lord.

Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the Lord are in every place,
Watching the evil and the good.

1 Kings 8:27
“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!

Matthew 18:20
For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”

Psalms 139:7-10
Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
If I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
If I take the wings of the dawn,
If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea,

Job 34:21
“For His eyes are upon the ways of a man,
And He sees all his steps.
Thank you.
So do you agree with me now.
  • God dwells in heaven
  • His "eyes" see everywhere
  • There is nowhere his spirit cannot reach

That's not omnipresent.
You can stay on the beach, and see a ship on the horizon,
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but you are not on the beach and in the sea.

If you had the ability to zap the boat with some laser beam,
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that does not mean you are in the sea.

It mean there is nothing that is hidden from your view, or nothing out of your reach, but you are not everywhere.
 

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So do you agree with me now.
  • God dwells in heaven
  • His "eyes" see everywhere
  • There is nowhere his spirit cannot reach

Is that what omnipresent means to you, or are you saying God is not omnipresent?

God is Spirit and is everywhere at once, not just sits in heaven and only sees everywhere with His eyes.

“Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares the Lord.
 

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This question is open to everyone.
Please explain
1) how did Jesus used the holy spirit to cast out demons.
  • Matthew 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
2) how did Jesus pour out the holy spirit on his disciples.
  • Acts 2:33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.
@Ronald David Bruno I would like to hear you explain please. Thanks.
Bad question, but revealing. A better question is "who is the Holy Spirit." He is not an abstract force, but the extension of the invisible immortal God into His creation, revealing Himself in the person of His Son. He is the witness of Christ within us. He is the power of God manifest in His creation. He is the seal of redemption, the down-payment of our inheritance in God. He is worthy of our respect and our submission. He is the Spirit of Christ.
 
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Oh. You were born of water?
1stCenturyLady, I hope I am not asking too much of you, but where can I find that in the Bible, or any science text book?
Please provide a reference.


Let me look at the scripture again.
John 3:3-8
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew. 8 The wind bloweth where it will, and thou hearest the voice thereof, but knowest not whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

From what I read here 1stCenturyLady, Jesus explained what being born again (anew) is, or means.
It's like this... Say you are talking to someone, and you said something, and the person asked for clarity, and you clarify.
That's exactly what happened here.
Jesus clarified his first statement, explaining... or, if you will, interpreting it.
He said one must be born of water and spirit.

Does being born of water mean born from the womb? What does the scriptures say?
Here is what the one sent to prepare the way says... "I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:" - Matthew 3:11

Based on scripture, from the days of John the Baptist... the one sent ahead of the Messiah, water baptism was necessary, for both Jew, and Greek.
All needed to be baptized in water. They could not qualify for the kingdom without water baptism.
In fact, when Cornelius received holy spirit, this happened... Acts 10:45-48
45 And they of the circumcision that believed were amazed, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid the water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

They had to be baptized in water. Only then were they born again - born as sons of God... not sons of men.


Divine like Christ? They became gods, do you mean?
I like Romans 8. Paul explains what they were born for.


Everyone cannot be born again.
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Sorry Ziggy, but I have to disagree with you.
The Bible does not say the holy spirit is truth. Rather, the Bible says the holy spirit guides or leads one into all truth (John 16:13).
John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Have you actually read the bible?
 
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I'm sorry if my short replies have offended you, I am not comfortable with long winded discussions that contain opinions when scriptural truth is sufficient.
You can report with the report button under each post. We have more than one admin, though we judge according to the rules and I am careful not to break any.

Since I am not needed I'll be bailing out of this discussion, I hope you can get the answers you are looking for.
You don't have to back down from cultists, but it is pointless to argue with strong deception. It's a bronze box that only God can open. You notice the screen name that he's chosen? The Apostle that was rumored to ge given immortality until Christ's return? Given time and immature ears, the delusion will only deepen.
 

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Not true. God blesses those he chooses with the Holy Spirit. In fact the Pharisees were well versed in scripture and so is the devil. What matters to God is the heart of a person. Not so much the mind, but that the mind is clean and the heart pure. God leads us to the Holy Spirit and he does'nt use scripture to do it. It is by deed that we are blessed with the Holy Spirit. We learn what actions lead to the holy spirit and what thoughts drive it away. By giving to the poor and obeying the simple commandments that you should already know to obey from your heart. You don't need the bible too much to know what's right and wrong.

Acts 2:17

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Thank you for standing in the truth. We have a wolf in the midst.
 
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@devin553344 I understand Romans 8.9 to say that all believers have the Holy Spirit indwelling.
Why did Jesus instruct people to ask for the Holy Spirit?
Praying to receive Christ is the same thing, but asking for His guidance in submission to Him is the biblical way to receive Him. The book of Acts refers to the Spirit falling on disciples on Pentacost and later upon disciples of John the Baptist after receiving the gospel, but the gospel assumes prayer to receive Him.
 
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Nowhere Pearl?
...but it does... many places. Here are only a few:-
Numbers 11:17 ; Numbers 11:25 ; Psalm 143:10 ; John 1:32 ; John 14:16, 17 ; Acts 2:2

It's also refered to as the spirit. Here is just one of many of those references. John 1:33
I don't refer to my spirit as "he", no, but some persons might refer to it as she, since people tend to use the feminine for these things.
Acts 2:2 refers to the sound. Have you ever taken a course in English Grammer? All your other quotes are from the Old testament, the incomplete revelation of God. Proper hermeneutics demands that we interpret the old testament from the new covenant, not the full Revelation from the partial. You are putting your life at risk by blaspheming Him and its not God's will that any should perish. Repent and pray for His forgiveness. He can forgive ignorance, but the blasphemy of His Spirit will not be forgiven.
 

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The omnipresence of God is that he is in each of his children at the same time.
His spirit doesn't jump from member to member as if it is unable to be in many places at the same time.
And at the same time, we are all in one spirit.
It's quite amazing really when you think about it.
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Is that what omnipresent means to you, or are you saying God is not omnipresent?

God is Spirit and is everywhere at once, not just sits in heaven and only sees everywhere with His eyes.

“Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares the Lord.
Then maybe you can help me understand and reconcile these with your belief.
Habakkuk 1:13 Your eyes are too pure to look on evil... (Psalms 5:4, 5)
Job 1:12 Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord. (Job 2:7)
Psalms 5:5 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence

If God is everywhere...
Why are all the wicked not dead?
Why did God have to come down to investigate Sodom and Gomorrah?
Why did God have to come down to dwell among his people Israel?
 

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I think being born of water is a lot deeper and spiritual.
I'm not exactly sure what it means, but we also know that Jesus is the living water.

Jer 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

what does it mean to be born of water and of spirit?
Is it that those who believe in God are the seed of God?
And we are born of this belief?

That is not to say we have "faith" . Faith is a gift of the Spirit of God.
Right?

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

So what I hear is, the very believing in God is the water by which we come to him, and then faith is given as a gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

I am of the opinion that it is no so much what John DID, but what he Said.


Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Mat 3:4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
Mat 3:5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
Mat 3:6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

I saw a picture in my mind of all these little streams coming to the river...
being drawn to the river...
searching...

Jer 31:12 Therefore they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow together to the goodness of the LORD, for wheat, and for wine, and for oil, and for the young of the flock and of the herd: and their soul shall be as a watered garden; and they shall not sorrow any more at all.
Joe 3:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.

Jhn 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

I understand John came baptising with water. However, the people first had to believe in order to come to John in the first place.

The Saducees and Pharisees that did not believe in God were blasted. They were trying to "creep in unawares"

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Random thought..

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Just thinking..
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