Benny Hinn vs. Joel Osteen

[FHII]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ej7n7Nhns



Folks, say what you will about Benny Hinn. But here, he was right on! I don't like him, but he was clearly under the inpiration of the Holy Ghost on this night.

 

[aspen]

huckster vs. motivational speaker?

Benny is so far down hypocrite lane, he has to pick on a man who really only speaks on secular topics.

 

[FHII]

huckster vs. motivational speaker?

Benny is so far down hypocrite lane, he has to pick on a man who really only speaks on secular topics.

Sure, Benny Hinn is a hypocrite. But what did he say in this clip that isn't true?

 

[aspen]

Sure, Benny Hinn is a hypocrite. But what did he say in this clip that isn't true?

It may all be true, but what is worse? Telling people that they are 'good enough and smart enough and gosh-darnnit people like them like Joel Olsteen or forcing people in hospital beds to stay out in 115 degree heat in Fresno CA without access to proper sanitation or water stations in the false hope of being in the front row of a Benny Hinn event - only to realize, when the doors are finally opened that all the really sick people have first come first served seating in the farthest section from the stage - like Benny Hinn does?

I worked at an arena in Fresno and scores of people were being rushed to the hospital by ambulance because of heat stroke - many were in hospital beds already because of chronic and serious illnesses. Benny Hinn had been to Fresno for the past 10 years and knew the weather conditions and provided no services for the people he knew would be waiting to see him all day in the hopes of being healed. Of course, Hinn only heals healthy people, not sick people - unlike Jesus who came for the sick, Benny came to Fresno for the healthy.

Olsteen may deny his god, but Hinn profits off sick people like a side show carny. Watching Hinn play the moral authority leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

 

[Robbie]

I don't know either of them personally so I have no right to form an opinion...

 

[Miss Hepburn]

I'm sure everyone makes mistakes - I didn't need to watch the Youtube
I trust you, FHII, that Benny was right on. :)
I've read his books and Katherine Kuhlman's, also.
Joel inspires me and so I have no issue there either.

Now, John Hagee gives me the heebies, usually, I must admit - but I have the sense to know each
preacher has his place and if they are bringing people to the Lord with ''fear talk'', which I do not like, or talking
about Gods's Promises and the possibilities of accepting what is ours in Christ as joint heirs or teaching how
to practically apply Jesus' teaching in your daily life ---it is not
my place to judge - they are doing more than I am...promises or fear -
whatever turns people to God can't be bad.

It is a non issue for me - they are all bringing people to God and teaching in their way and doing more than me.

Gee, that darn Mother Therese only nursed and fed people - couldn't she have
done more to bring people to Jesus?
.....kidding....*wink*
:) Miss Hepburn

 

[Foreigner]

If you were to Google Bennie Hinn you would find the man has a number of things that should give you pause before listening to him.

I originally liked Joel Osteen. But then I realized that his ministry is a feel good, one-dimensional ministry.

I watched him hemm and haww on Larry King before he was finally cornered into having to admit that the Bible says that no one will see God the Father but through Jesus Christ.

His programs never speak of sin, pushing into the Holy Spirit, the importance of sharing their faith, etc.

His program fills a niche, but if you are looking to be fed the full meal, I would look elsewhere.

 

[Miss Hepburn]

His program fills a niche, but if you are looking to be fed the full meal, I would look elsewhere.

Very diplomatically said. I love diplomacy.
It is a gentleman's language.
:)

 

[rockytopva]

Who do we have out there without fault?

 

[FHII]

Olsteen may deny his god, but Hinn profits off sick people like a side show carny. Watching Hinn play the moral authority leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

Hey Aspen, I truly like you and I think you have a good spirit. And no, overall I don't like Benny Hinn and what you have told me about him only enrages me more. Benny ain't no saint. Like I said, "Say what you will about him but here he is right on!" By all accounts Joel Osteen is a descent human being. I don't have a problem with him in an earthly sense. But look at what you just said, as I've quoted you above. "Olsteen my deny his god?????" Yea, Hinn's a hypocrite, but at least he didn't deny Jesus. Joel did! I got a problem with that and I think God does too.


Let me remind of you of this story.... There were two brothers. The firstborn was daddy's favorite. A man's man! A hunter, and a rugged man. His dad favored him. The second born (and they were twins, but there is still one who came out first), was a momma's boy, a liar and a surplanter. While his brother was out hunting for food and defending the family from heathen and wild beasts, the youngest son was hanging on to momma's skirt. he was helping in the kitchen, helping clean the house, etc.... Honorable work... But he should've been out helping his brother hunt and bring in the food.

Stuff happened and in the end, the second born lied to his daddy and stole from the firstborn. But the firstborn also sold his birthrite. Now you know whom I'm talking about... Jacob and Esau. The only fault Esau had was denying his birthrite. I liken that to what Joel Osteen has done. He denied Jesus. Larry King asked him, "Is Jesus the only way?" And Joel said, "That's up to God."

Benny might be a hypocrite and a liar... But at least on this occasion he didn't deny the name of Jesus. Joel did. Which one looks like Esau and which one looks like Jacob?

 

[aspen]

Hey Aspen, I truly like you and I think you have a good spirit. And no, overall I don't like Benny Hinn and what you have told me about him only enrages me more. Benny ain't no saint. Like I said, "Say what you will about him but here he is right on!" By all accounts Joel Osteen is a descent human being. I don't have a problem with him in an earthly sense. But look at what you just said, as I've quoted you above. "Olsteen my deny his god?????" Yea, Hinn's a hypocrite, but at least he didn't deny Jesus. Joel did! I got a problem with that and I think God does too.


Let me remind of you of this story.... There were two brothers. The firstborn was daddy's favorite. A man's man! A hunter, and a rugged man. His dad favored him. The second born (and they were twins, but there is still one who came out first), was a momma's boy, a liar and a surplanter. While his brother was out hunting for food and defending the family from heathen and wild beasts, the youngest son was hanging on to momma's skirt. he was helping in the kitchen, helping clean the house, etc.... Honorable work... But he should've been out helping his brother hunt and bring in the food.

Stuff happened and in the end, the second born lied to his daddy and stole from the firstborn. But the firstborn also sold his birthrite. Now you know whom I'm talking about... Jacob and Esau. The only fault Esau had was denying his birthrite. I liken that to what Joel Osteen has done. He denied Jesus. Larry King asked him, "Is Jesus the only way?" And Joel said, "That's up to God."

Benny might be a hypocrite and a liar... But at least on this occasion he didn't deny the name of Jesus. Joel did. Which one looks like Esau and which one looks like Jacob?

I agree

 

[Comm.Arnold]

There is a lot of rumours about this fellow, I don't know what to believe.

 

[Prentis]

I think we can call this one a mutual knockout! ;)

 

[Comm.Arnold]

I see no harm in this, it seems off of the spirit though.

 

[veteran]

Hey Aspen, I truly like you and I think you have a good spirit. And no, overall I don't like Benny Hinn and what you have told me about him only enrages me more. Benny ain't no saint. Like I said, "Say what you will about him but here he is right on!" By all accounts Joel Osteen is a descent human being. I don't have a problem with him in an earthly sense. But look at what you just said, as I've quoted you above. "Olsteen my deny his god?????" Yea, Hinn's a hypocrite, but at least he didn't deny Jesus. Joel did! I got a problem with that and I think God does too.


Let me remind of you of this story.... There were two brothers. The firstborn was daddy's favorite. A man's man! A hunter, and a rugged man. His dad favored him. The second born (and they were twins, but there is still one who came out first), was a momma's boy, a liar and a surplanter. While his brother was out hunting for food and defending the family from heathen and wild beasts, the youngest son was hanging on to momma's skirt. he was helping in the kitchen, helping clean the house, etc.... Honorable work... But he should've been out helping his brother hunt and bring in the food.

Stuff happened and in the end, the second born lied to his daddy and stole from the firstborn. But the firstborn also sold his birthrite. Now you know whom I'm talking about... Jacob and Esau. The only fault Esau had was denying his birthrite. I liken that to what Joel Osteen has done. He denied Jesus. Larry King asked him, "Is Jesus the only way?" And Joel said, "That's up to God."

Benny might be a hypocrite and a liar... But at least on this occasion he didn't deny the name of Jesus. Joel did. Which one looks like Esau and which one looks like Jacob?

I understand your point FHI, but I think you've missed a lot about that Esau and Jacob comparison.

God had already told Rebekah before she gave birth there were "two manner of people" in her womb, and that the elder (Esau) would serve the younger (Jacob). In Malachi 1 God said He hated Esau, but loved Jacob.

While Esau depended upon the beasts of the field for food, Jacob sitting snug around a fire with lintels showed his manner was that of tilling the soil (farming), the very type of work that God formed the man Adam in His Garden to do per Gen.2. So in that sense, Jacob was ultimately stronger by farming than trying to subsist on wild animals for food. One can raise a whole lot more food by farming than by hunting wild game.

Esau came to his brother Jacob for food because the hunting had gone bad. And then Esau SOLD God's Birthright to Jacob for a pot of those lintel beans.

So was Rebekah and Jacob really conniving for fooling Isaac to receive God's Birthright? Not really, since God had already promised it to Jacob before birth. And to make it legal, Esau sold it to Jacob, which Esau obviously had no intention of really doing, according to his later behaviour.

 

[FHII]

I understand your point FHI, but I think you've missed a lot about that Esau and Jacob comparison.

Well, I see your point. Not sure I agree with it all right now, but it does fit from where I see... Still, while I'm not a Benny Hinn fan, what he said was right on and the Truth. I enjoy slapping these types of spirits down as much as possible, but Benny got it right for once and I'm wondering what anyone would disagree with him during that one particular moment.

 

[Comm.Arnold]

Well, I see your point. Not sure I agree with it all right now, but it does fit from where I see... Still, while I'm not a Benny Hinn fan, what he said was right on and the Truth. I enjoy slapping these types of spirits down as much as possible, but Benny got it right for once and I'm wondering what anyone would disagree with him during that one particular moment.

Was this the video in here FHII ?

 

[7angels]

no one that i know of has yet reached the perfection that Jesus reached in their relationship with the Father. joel and benny have done a lot to further the kingdom of God. how many of us can say the same? at this time we all have growing that needs to be done. i doubt even joel and benny have achieved a point that they have reached perfection in every area of life. btw how can you judge another persons relationship? yes they may make mistakes but that is between them and God. if you want to know where a person is with God then we need to look at their fruit. each one of them have gifts that draws certain people to their ministries. if we were in the same area do you think we would both be drawn to the same church? this is not necessarily true because we each have needs that need to be attended too and it may not be at the same church.

 

[Prentis]

Is it furthering the kingdom to hold big audiences, take high seats, promise people healing they do not receive, make oneself rich by the gospel?

It is not for me to judge them, and that is not my intent.

But we should discern and consider carefully how people are 'building the kingdom'. The Lord desires for us to be filled with the spirit and conformed to him in character and life. Can this be said of televangelists, and the 'great' North American preachers?

The Lord's way is not to have ten divided churches, according to doctrine. But one united church that seeks to embody him and be his body. The Lord does not work by the grandiose ways of this world, neither should we.

 

[Comm.Arnold]

no one that i know of has yet reached the perfection that Jesus reached in their relationship with the Father. joel and benny have done a lot to further the kingdom of God. how many of us can say the same? at this time we all have growing that needs to be done. i doubt even joel and benny have achieved a point that they have reached perfection in every area of life. btw how can you judge another persons relationship? yes they may make mistakes but that is between them and God. if you want to know where a person is with God then we need to look at their fruit. each one of them have gifts that draws certain people to their ministries. if we were in the same area do you think we would both be drawn to the same church? this is not necessarily true because we each have needs that need to be attended too and it may not be at the same church.

That's very well said I can't believe the amount of people looking to jump all over Joel Osteen for that interview. He didn't even really deny Jesus said right away that he thinks Jesus is the way and that works are important. He also admitted that he didn't have all the answers as anyone ready to recieve God's kingdom should.