Russian army takes and controls Mariupol today

[Ronald Nolette]

I can see al of that in our own government too though.

We have a lot of ex-CIA guys working in the WH. Not to mention Hillary's pile of body bags when people got in her way, or weren't needed anymore.
We have protesters still locked up in DC that have had no due process. They are being treated horribly and no one talks about it.
Not to mention Gitmo and Gina Haspel who used dogs and waterboarding to get information from the prisoners.
We aren't saints thats for sure.

MAGA.. Make America Great Again. Everyone I think wants their former glory. Specially when things are going down the tubes.
Russia was literaly breaking apart. And Nato was scooping up the pieces. A lot of instability worldwide.

And today we have double-speak and propaganda and everyone is twisting everything inside out.

I just think, we can't point a finger at Putin without looking at our own political blunders and atrocities.
Politics is a rough game. One that I'm glad that I only observe and am not a partaker of.
Remember Seth Rich who was ambushed because he gave Assange a hard drive proving that the 2016 election was rigged, and that Sanders was paid to step down, Ambassador Stevens in Lybia who had intel that weapons were being smuggled and traded by the Clintons, and poof he was beaten and killed by the "terrorists" . And Hillary Secretary of State never sent them back up even after they pleaded for it.

Yeah, we got bad guys too.
We have a whole DOJ and FBI who sabotaged Trumps campaign, and his presidency through Hillary and perkins coie.
And destroying emails. And the coup that we set up in Ukraine.
Not to mention January 6th. That was conived by the DNC and their goons to pin it on Republicans.
The real coup happened November 3rd when they literally stole the election. That's TREASON.

Let's not talk about Hunter's laptop yet. Forget making deals and giving the Big Guy 50% of the kickback.
We got pictures... BAD pictures. Young girls pictures....
We have Satanists in the WH. Pelosi calling the Capitol a "temple" . Bowing a knee to known felon and addict who once held a knife to his pregnant wifes belly. Ignoring the destruction of cities being looted and burned and killing police and citizens and calling them peaceful protests.

arggghh..

Putin may be a bad guy. But at least he stands against Satanists coming into his country.
You got to give him that.
Ours is over running.

Hugs

The difference with American corruption is that it is not open established doctrine. We all know they do it, and if they get caught in a big enough lie- they pay the price at the polls.

With russia it is standard open doctrine to apply maskirovka when dealing with enemies

 

[Ziggy]

All I can say is, time will tell.
Evil is everywhere.
Hugs

 

[Truth7t7]

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[Ziggy]

The difference with American corruption is that it is not open established doctrine. We all know they do it, and if they get caught in a big enough lie- they pay the price at the polls.

With russia it is standard open doctrine to apply maskirovka when dealing with enemies

Our polls are rigged though, so how does that work?
I believe America's corruption is not open established doctrine, because the people doing the corruption try to hide it.
And we all know they do it. And even if they get caught, then we have the infamous James Comey reminding us that
"no reasonable prosecuter" would bring them to justice.

I believe the tide is about to turn though, at least I'm praying it is.

Hugs

 

[Truth7t7]

The difference with American corruption is that it is not open established doctrine. We all know they do it, and if they get caught in a big enough lie- they pay the price at the polls.

With russia it is standard open doctrine to apply maskirovka when dealing with enemies

Crime in America is open without prosecution "Fact"!

Joe Biden in extortion of Ukraine, fire the investigator of his son Hunter, or Ukraine doesn't get the $Billion$ bragging before the world on national television

James Comey bragging before the world on how he set General Michael Flyyn up,a clear act of treason

Joe Biden bragging before the world on how they put together the greatest voter fraud scheme the world has ever seen in 2020

Biden says: "We have put together one of the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organizations in the history of American politics."

Hillary Clinton and the DNC ran a spying scheme on a sitting president, using the Obama FBI, its a John Durham proven fact, who's indicted or in jail?

Obama giving $Billions$ to the world terriost in Iran before leaving office?

Open corruption before the world, "High Treason" and ole Putin would line all of them up before a firing squad for such actions

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I can see al of that in our own government too though.

We have a lot of ex-CIA guys working in the WH. Not to mention Hillary's pile of body bags when people got in her way, or weren't needed anymore.
We have protesters still locked up in DC that have had no due process. They are being treated horribly and no one talks about it.
Not to mention Gitmo and Gina Haspel who used dogs and waterboarding to get information from the prisoners.
We aren't saints thats for sure.

MAGA.. Make America Great Again. Everyone I think wants their former glory. Specially when things are going down the tubes.
Russia was literaly breaking apart. And Nato was scooping up the pieces. A lot of instability worldwide.

And today we have double-speak and propaganda and everyone is twisting everything inside out.

Yes, America is far from saintly. that is why we are under judgment from God.

As for waterboarding, I am not against it when civilian lives are hanging in the balance.

Nato wooed nations, but the biggest difference is the West never invaded nations to make them part of NATO or gain control in Europe.

Politicians do double speak. Promise the moon and rarely deliver. But that still gives Russia no right to invade another sovereign nation that was not provoking them. NOr killing innocent civilians and destroying hundreds of thousands of homes

Yeah, we got bad guys too.
We have a whole DOJ and FBI who sabotaged Trumps campaign, and his presidency through Hillary and perkins coie.
And destroying emails. And the coup that we set up in Ukraine.
Not to mention January 6th. That was conived by the DNC and their goons to pin it on Republicans.
The real coup happened November 3rd when they literally stole the election. That's TREASON.

Well I do believe if things were a little more honest- Trump would still be president.

As for January 6th I am unconvinced the DNC was behind it, though it would not surprise me. I think it was some extremists who wanted to do damage

Let's not talk about Hunter's laptop yet. Forget making deals and giving the Big Guy 50% of the kickback.
We got pictures... BAD pictures. Young girls pictures....
We have Satanists in the WH. Pelosi calling the Capitol a "temple" . Bowing a knee to known felon and addict who once held a knife to his pregnant wifes belly. Ignoring the destruction of cities being looted and burned and killing police and citizens and calling them peaceful protests.

arggghh..

Putin may be a bad guy. But at least he stands against Satanists coming into his country.
You got to give him that.
Ours is over running.

We get to hear about all this because even though the MSM (including Fox) is biased one way or the other, eventually the truth wins out here. IN Russia, you would suspiciously die for digging too deep.
.
Remember, anyone who is not a believer, there Father is Satan and whether consciously or not, they get used by hom at will. It is still evil, just wearing a different dress.

I see Putins morality as simply a small pool of semi clear water in a wastewater pool.

I remember the words and example Jesus gave:

Luke 13
King James Version

13 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.

2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

You can dress up a pig with nice clothes (things acceptable to you) but you still have a pig underneath! Just with a different exterior.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Our polls are rigged though, so how does that work?
I believe America's corruption is not open established doctrine, because the people doing the corruption try to hide it.
And we all know they do it. And even if they get caught, then we have the infamous James Comey reminding us that
"no reasonable prosecuter" would bring them to justice.

I believe the tide is about to turn though, at least I'm praying it is.

Hugs

It would be nice, but God has sent many warning shotes across our bow to warn us without real result. 9/11 saw a religious fervor only until things got back to "normal", then the nation put God back in their box (or so they thought), the meltdown of 2008 that started in the US, then the pandemic which hit America the hardest. I believe Gods patience with America as a a nation has run out and He has given us over (as a nation) to a reprobate mind, and is judging us severely. I follow economics fairly closely and we could see the collapse of our economy this year. The govt. has been hiding real stats for decades.

Unemployment is really about 20%
Teh debt is over $30 trillion and they tut tut it as just a little problem.
The fed has lent out trillions and now owns about 80% of the housing bonds.
Food shortages this year will be the worst since I was born (1954). Many Americans may face real real hunger.

If we don't, it is only because we still have a fairly large population of believers here and like Abraham did, maybe some bargained with god that is X amount of righteous could be found, would He spare America!

 

[Ziggy]

I don't watch tv. I haven't watched tv in a long time. If my dad visits then we watch westerns. He likes his westerns. But if he puts it on Fox or some other news channel, I retire to my computer. I know about mockingbird media and who owns them and how it is controlled propaganda.
I can't watch any of them.

There are however, real investigative journalists that are on the ground gathering information.
A lot of them used to share their information through Youtube, until they began censoring anything that went against the narrative.
Now they are on other platforms like Rumble and DLive, Odysee...

Everything I watched from the 2020 "peaceful protests" was live feed. I watched it in real time for 120 days and nights.
That steady diet drove me here to find some peace of mind.
And the Lord led me to the best place. You guys don't know how much of a blessing you have been in my life.
Everyone of you.

As far as the coup happening in DC, I watched a journalist give a good documentary about who is behind the scenes in our state depts, pulling all the strings. I posted it a few times about a year ago. Ofcourse it's been "debunked" because it was the truth.
And this video isn't necessarily related to the 2020 election, I believe it is, but it gives a good insight as to who is really making the decisions in this country.

It's 34 minutes long. And in my opinion, worth watching.
Hugs

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I don't watch tv. I haven't watched tv in a long time. If my dad visits then we watch westerns. He likes his westerns. But if he puts it on Fox or some other news channel, I retire to my computer. I know about mockingbird media and who owns them and how it is controlled propaganda.
I can't watch any of them.

There are however, real investigative journalists that are on the ground gathering information.
A lot of them used to share their information through Youtube, until they began censoring anything that went against the narrative.
Now they are on other platforms like Rumble and DLive, Odysee...

Everything I watched from the 2020 "peaceful protests" was live feed. I watched it in real time for 120 days and nights.
That steady diet drove me here to find some peace of mind.
And the Lord led me to the best place. You guys don't know how much of a blessing you have been in my life.
Everyone of you.

As far as the coup happening in DC, I watched a journalist give a good documentary about who is behind the scenes in our state depts, pulling all the strings. I posted it a few times about a year ago. Ofcourse it's been "debunked" because it was the truth.
And this video isn't necessarily related to the 2020 election, I believe it is, but it gives a good insight as to who is really making the decisions in this country.

It's 34 minutes long. And in my opinion, worth watching.
Hugs

don't forget theree are many propagandists on the alternat channels as well.

I have found that Fox journalists (not teh talking heads like HAnnity and Ingraham) are the most unbiased journalists around when they broadcast. They seem to be the most faithful at simply reporting news.

YOu tube has many many sites that do great reporting, you just have to dig them out. I particularly like Chris Chapple.

Odysee leans a little too left for my taste.

 

[Ziggy]

It would be nice, but God has sent many warning shotes across our bow to warn us without real result. 9/11 saw a religious fervor only until things got back to "normal", then the nation put God back in their box (or so they thought), the meltdown of 2008 that started in the US, then the pandemic which hit America the hardest. I believe Gods patience with America as a a nation has run out and He has given us over (as a nation) to a reprobate mind, and is judging us severely. I follow economics fairly closely and we could see the collapse of our economy this year. The govt. has been hiding real stats for decades.

Unemployment is really about 20%
Teh debt is over $30 trillion and they tut tut it as just a little problem.
The fed has lent out trillions and now owns about 80% of the housing bonds.
Food shortages this year will be the worst since I was born (1954). Many Americans may face real real hunger.

If we don't, it is only because we still have a fairly large population of believers here and like Abraham did, maybe some bargained with god that is X amount of righteous could be found, would He spare America!

There is a lot of things coming down the pipeline. Food shortages, cyber attack on our electric grid, infiltration by many sleeper cells (terrorists)
which will be woken when people begin to panic. There will be chaos. And I believe we will see a lot of it by this summer. The monetary system will collapse and a new system is already being put in place based on one's credit score, like they do in china.
Sanctions will be brought against all economies in the world.
And then the World Government will step in with it's problem solving New World Order. And everyone will flock to it, because everything will be so dire globally.

It's coming, nothing can stop it from coming. They have it all planned and have already put it into motion. BlackRock pushing out middleclass suburban housing to implement low income government housing. They are buying up property and farm land to control everything.

I hope this 2022 election will find a way to stop it, but it's all ready written in prophecy.
However, we have this hope,
That God will hear us when we pray and we humble ourselves before the Lord.
But it will require a lot of faith. And will there be any faith when the Lord returns?
Pray.
Hugs

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is a lot of things coming down the pipeline. Food shortages, cyber attack on our electric grid, infiltration by many sleeper cells (terrorists)
which will be woken when people begin to panic. There will be chaos. And I believe we will see a lot of it by this summer. The monetary system will collapse and a new system is already being put in place based on one's credit score, like they do in china.
Sanctions will be brought against all economies in the world.
And then the World Government will step in with it's problem solving New World Order. And everyone will flock to it, because everything will be so dire globally.

It's coming, nothing can stop it from coming. They have it all planned and have already put it into motion. BlackRock pushing out middleclass suburban housing to implement low income government housing. They are buying up property and farm land to control everything.

I hope this 2022 election will find a way to stop it, but it's all ready written in prophecy.
However, we have this hope,
That God will hear us when we pray and we humble ourselves before the Lord.
But it will require a lot of faith. And will there be any faith when the Lord returns?
Pray.
Hugs

With all the evil this country stands on, I still prefer America. It still has religious freedom, it still has many believers praying and sharing.

It still has an economy that gives people th eliberty to rise as high as they can or wish to..

We are the nation that has a massive illegal immigrant crisis. People wishing to come here for a better life.

The future for America is not bleak, but black! I love posting on political threads. It is a passion of mine to follow global politics. It is a hobby like some people golf!

But my main focus is recognizing that America is not my home, but the vineyard my master has placed me in to work. I have had the privilege to share the gospel on four continents and have been privileged to lead hundreds if not thousands of souls to Christ! So while I love the interaction on these threads concerning human politics, I try (sometimes not too successfully) to remember that this is all passing away and means nothing towards eternity.

 

[Ziggy]

don't forget theree are many propagandists on the alternat channels as well.

I have found that Fox journalists (not teh talking heads like HAnnity and Ingraham) are the most unbiased journalists around when they broadcast. They seem to be the most faithful at simply reporting news.

YOu tube has many many sites that do great reporting, you just have to dig them out. I particularly like Chris Chapple.

Odysee leans a little too left for my taste.

The only way I can tell is to listen and to watch. Is the evidence reliable?
There is a zoom call in that video. You can't propagandise it. It is what it is.
The groups in that video are legal entities with documented LLC and NGO trails.
This isn't just a "speculation" video. It shows facts.
Just, not many people want to take the time to view them for themselves.

Every video people have posted in this thread or others, whether I agree or disagree, I have taken the time to listen and watch from both sides.
And then I draw my own conclusions as to whether it provides evidence of any truth to it.

But I have lots of time on my hands. I understand people that work have to choose between this and that due to time limitations.
It's all good.
And We Know...

Mar 4:22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

Hugs

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The only way I can tell is to listen and to watch. Is the evidence reliable?
There is a zoom call in that video. You can't propagandise it. It is what it is.
The groups in that video are legal entities with documented LLC and NGO trails.
This isn't just a "speculation" video. It shows facts.
Just, not many people want to take the time to view them for themselves.

Every video people have posted in this thread or others, whether I agree or disagree, I have taken the time to listen and watch from both sides.
And then I draw my own conclusions as to whether it provides evidence of any truth to it.

But I have lots of time on my hands. I understand people that work have to choose between this and that due to time limitations.
It's all good.
And We Know...

Mar 4:22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

Hugs

Well just because LLC and NGO is part of an identity, I give them no extra credence. The only thng I draw conclusions on is past history and teh society being spoken of and their past.

Russia- the people are kept deaf and dumb and do not know even 1/50th of what we know of the Russian invasion. As corrupt as our media is, the truth is there, it just takes longer now than in the past. Russian media is far more heavily controlled.

Given the totality of the news of this war and the massive amount of video (this war is the most recorded war in history) I find Russian savagery teh most likely. given their past, given their methodology, given their military doctrine, given th e massive amount of video showing them launchng massive bombardments of cities.

there are those here who accuse Ukraine of staging all the "nice" things videoed. I am sorry there is just way way, way too much video out there to say it is staged. I am sure Ukraine soldiers have done terrible things. War does that. But I do believe strongly that the atrocities we see on videos are all Russian.

 

[Ziggy]

Well just because LLC and NGO is part of an identity, I give them no extra credence. The only thng I draw conclusions on is past history and teh society being spoken of and their past.

Russia- the people are kept deaf and dumb and do not know even 1/50th of what we know of the Russian invasion. As corrupt as our media is, the truth is there, it just takes longer now than in the past. Russian media is far more heavily controlled.

Given the totality of the news of this war and the massive amount of video (this war is the most recorded war in history) I find Russian savagery teh most likely. given their past, given their methodology, given their military doctrine, given th e massive amount of video showing them launchng massive bombardments of cities.

there are those here who accuse Ukraine of staging all the "nice" things videoed. I am sorry there is just way way, way too much video out there to say it is staged. I am sure Ukraine soldiers have done terrible things. War does that. But I do believe strongly that the atrocities we see on videos are all Russian.

Would you watch that video I posted above and let me know what you think?
I would very much appreciate it.
Hugs

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Would you watch that video I posted above and let me know what you think?
I would very much appreciate it.
Hugs

Will do. I am assuming it is the coup d'etat video?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Would you watch that video I posted above and let me know what you think?
I would very much appreciate it.
Hugs

It sounds like some radical leftist groups were getting together to form a counter coup movement. I did not hear one say they wanted to overthrow Biden. and given that the bulk of the D.C. Bureaucracy is liberal and these groups are liberal and they were seeing a lib POYUS, House and Senate, I think they were forming ot stop an attempted coup from the right. that is what I got out of it.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Crime in America is open without prosecution "Fact"!

Joe Biden in extortion of Ukraine, fire the investigator of his son Hunter, or Ukraine doesn't get the $Billion$ bragging before the world on national television

James Comey bragging before the world on how he set General Michael Flyyn up,a clear act of treason

Joe Biden bragging before the world on how they put together the greatest voter fraud scheme the world has ever seen in 2020

Biden says: "We have put together one of the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organizations in the history of American politics."

Hillary Clinton and the DNC ran a spying scheme on a sitting president, using the Obama FBI, its a John Durham proven fact, who's indicted or in jail?

Obama giving $Billions$ to the world terriost in Iran before leaving office?

Open corruption before the world, "High Treason" and ole Putin would line all of them up before a firing squad for such actions

That is all True ! The people should be protesting in the streets about all such, that is clearly the Truth ! so it has to be exposed in the system of Law !
The Voter fraud has to be dealt with totally, no stone un turned, just the issue of kicking out the scrutineering and blocking out the windows ! all such involved has to be Jailed for doing such !
What is the USA, South Africa ? or some 3rd world nation, when the voting system resembles what is equal to that of the Arab world in fact. it's clearly full of total fraud, who blocks investigating any such serious things ! They should be hung in the street for Fraud and Treason ! high levels within such, must of been payed out or fear for their or loved ones lives ! I am serious ! No one could be so stupid ! why dismiss such things as nothing to be seen here ! when it's clearly a violation !
The integrity of the Voting system that went down is clearly totally way out of line !