SUN and MOON

[Earburner]

People killed in a couple cities does not support a global slaughter does it? So much for your "support scripture" lol

I was hoping to lead you there, for you to discover for yourself, the reality of the Lord's return in flaming fire. But since you didn't understand the situation of Lot, then the three verses before it should help confirm it.
Luke 17[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

 

[Earburner]

Nonsense. That is not happening.

The gathering of the beast and his armies, to the day of Armageddon, has been going on for the past 150 years.
Because of the divided wills of men and their individual governments, satan has had great difficulty in organizing them. Luke 12:51.

But now with his genius of inventions, with advanced technology and communications, he who is the prince of the power of the "air" (John 16:11, Ephesians 2:2), is just about ready to unite the world under the umbrella of his form of a millennium of world peace, through the image of the beast, the UN.

 

[ewq1938]

I was hoping to lead you there, for you to discover for yourself, the reality of the Lord's return in flaming fire.

When God burned Sodom, did he burn all the sinners in all cities around the Earth? It's a yes or no question.

 

[ewq1938]

The gathering of the beast and his armies, to the day of Armageddon, has been going on for the past 150 years.

No. There are no armies, or beast or false prophet there right now nor in the past.


Let's look at it! This is from 2018 and no one is there! It's also a very small area.

 

[Earburner]

When God burned Sodom, did he burn all the sinners in all cities around the Earth? It's a yes or no question.

The answer is no.

How many are there today, that do not know God, and that do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ?
That is how many will be destroyed, when He shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.

 

[Earburner]

And since the number of people that do not know God, and do not obey the gospel of Christ, is on a global scale (everywhere), that is where Armageddon will be.
Try to think.....the entirety of this earth.
The whole planet will be a Lake of fire.

 

[Timtofly]

You referenced Revelation 6:12-17, which is another view/perspective of the Glorious Return of Christ.
His literal, visible Presence from Heaven

"Another perspective" could simple be another return instead of someone's private interpretation which many have latched onto.

"Perspective" is a human notion. The verses do not in themselves declare this is a "perspective".

 

[ewq1938]

The answer is no.

I appreciate your honesty. Most when asked that question deflect with a red herring fallacy.

So, why do you use that passage to support a global slaughter by fire when the example itself is a localized killing of people in a few cities in one area of the Earth?

 

[ewq1938]

And since the number of people that do not know God, and do not obey the gospel of Christ, is on a global scale (everywhere), that is where Armageddon will be.
Try to think.....the entirety of this earth.

But Armageddon is a small place and is 66 miles from Jerusalem. You are changing the text into something it doesn't say.

The whole planet will be a Lake of fire.

Impossible since the lake of fire is not located on the Earth or near it.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Earth and heaven fleeing away means this is a place away from both Heaven and Earth.

 

[Earburner]

The Lake of fire described:
2 Peter 3:1-15

I appreciate your honesty. Most when asked that question deflect with a red herring fallacy.

So, why do you use that passage to support a global slaughter by fire when the example itself is a localized killing of people in a few cities in one area of the Earth?

Because of the truth of who we really are, as a New creature/creation in Christ Jesus. 1 Corinthians 2:16.

Therefore, we are to think upon His words by His Holy Spirit (with the Mind of Christ), and NOT with our limited, fleshly mind. 1 Corinthians 2:14.

We are to strictly heed to what God is telling us in Isaiah 55:8-9, and then apply the methodology of His ways, as described in Zechariah 4:6, John 16:13.
"His thoughts and His ways" truly are foreign to us, and cannot be known of by our mind, which only thinks of our own thoughts and our own ways. Therefore, only God can convey His own thoughts and ways to us, which is for Himself to reveal it to us through His words, by the Mind of His Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 2:9-10.

1Cor.2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but [rather] in the power of God.
This is the difference between the Wheat and the Tares. Matthew 13:24-30.

There are many professing christians, that DO NOT have the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:8-9), and therefore are standing in faith according to the wisdom of men.
I call it "church-ianity".

 

[Earburner]

"Another perspective" could simple be another return instead of someone's private interpretation which many have latched onto.

"Perspective" is a human notion. The verses do not in themselves declare this is a "perspective".

I am saying that in and throughout Revelation, as well as the NT scriptures, Jesus Himself speaks about His Glorious return, by providing different views and analogies, from different perspectives.

 

[ewq1938]

^ The Lake of fire described:

Because of the truth of who we really are, as a New creature/creation in Christ Jesus. 1 Corinthians 2:16.

lol, what??

I asked, "So, why do you use that passage to support a global slaughter by fire when the example itself is a localized killing of people in a few cities in one area of the Earth?"

And your answer is that!?

WOW

 

[Timtofly]

I am saying that in and throughout Revelation, as well as the NT scriptures, Jesus Himself speaks about His Glorious return, by providing different views and analogies, from different perspectives.

Revelation points out the Second Coming. Then after 42 months a return. Those 42 months are not the last 1992 years. There are 2 returns separated by at least 42 months. This cannot be two "perspectives".

 

[Earburner]

lol, what??

I asked, "So, why do you use that passage to support a global slaughter by fire when the example itself is a localized killing of people in a few cities in one area of the Earth?"

And your answer is that!?

WOW

Because of the way the format of this site works, I made an oversight in my copy/paste, in regards to
me writing: "The Lake of fire described:".
I forgot to include the scripture reference to my comment. Sorry about that.
Please go back, and you will see my edit of
2 Peter 3.
Thanks, Earburner

 

[Earburner]

As to your question: "So, why do you use that passage to support a global slaughter by fire....?"
That is what I was answering, and therefore I was providing HOW it is that I reach my conclusion of interpretation.

 

[Earburner]

Revelation points out the Second Coming. Then after 42 months a return. Those 42 months are not the last 1992 years. There are 2 returns separated by at least 42 months. This cannot be two "perspectives".

No, there is only one second coming, and that is "when" He returns to redeem/resurrect/change His people in an instant, and destroy all who have been disobedient to the Gospel of Christ.

It is a simultaneous event, as Jesus showed it by His analogy of how it all went down with Lot and the people of Sodom. Lot was spared/saved, but the disobedient were not, all of which happened in the SAME DAY.

 

[Earburner]

Revelation points out the Second Coming. Then after 42 months a return. Those 42 months are not the last 1992 years. There are 2 returns separated by at least 42 months. This cannot be two "perspectives".

1260 days has to do with Jesus and JtB, and their joint ministry/witness of the New Covenant.
Revelation 11:3, 12:6

42 months has to do with final stage of the 4th Beast in Danel, which was the Roman Empire, but since then, it has been EVOLVING, but as of yet it has not manifested itself in the world. Revelation 11:2, 13:5.
However, having said that, God is now revealing to His Saints, what exactly that 10H Beast is. A word of caution here, it is NOT anything like that of what "church-ianity" has been describing.

The 10 horns on that Beast, are to be appointed** during the 42 months, which will be during its final stage of evolving, just before Jesus returns in all His fiery Glory. Revelation 13:1-10, specifically verses 2-3.
**Edit: the ten horns are 10 countries of Europe, that are appointed to guard and protect the Beast.

I believe that you have a misunderstanding of the 70 weeks in Daniel, specifically the 70th week. That 70th week has already been fulfilled by Jesus.