Obedience or Lip Service?

[Raccoon1010]

People can keep all ten commandments but still sin.

Yes there is that. I was trying to convey to @Bob Estey that to love neighbor was spelled out what that means by Jesus in the Matthew 25:35-40. He spelled out how to love your neighbor. So not doing those things was condemned by Jesus. Not doing them is to sin against the commandment to love your neighbor.

Personally I think all of Jesus words should be treated as commandment. He is the Word of God.

 

[Taken]

Should we obey the Lord or is he satisfied with lip service?

The most reasonable “Lip Service”, and such “Lip Service” that God WILL HEAR, from an unsaved man; IS;
Confession from that mans thoughts in his heart, that that man BELIEVES IN God and His Christ the Lord Jesus.

Jesus on the other hand, as the intercessor for unsaved men, HEARS all kinds of Heartful thoughts a man utters via his mouth....as well as all kinds of Mindful thoughts a man utters via his mouth.

I am confident Jesus is proficiently skilled in sorting out a mans genuine request and gobbledygook.

I am confident the EYES of Gods Holy Angelic Servants, Jesus, and God Himself, are proficient at observing what ALL men Do.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Pearl]

Getting angry is not a sin.

“Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger” (Ephesians 4:26)

And Jesus got angry too!

“And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.” (Mark 3:5)

There is a difference between getting angry at those desecrating the temple as Jesus did and losing your temper because of frustration. So how is it not a sin

 

[MatthewG]

Should we obey the Lord or is he satisfied with lip service?

Hey bob,

Good question, submitting to the Lord promises great reward spiritually.

Proverbs 3:6 in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight

 

[Michiah-Imla]

There is a difference between getting angry at those desecrating the temple as Jesus did and losing your temper because of frustration. So how is it not a sin

Even a bishop could get angry as long as his anger didn’t rise suddenly.

“For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;” (Titus 1:7)

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

So do you never sin - at all? Never get agitated or frustrated when driving, never criticise somebody? I do not believe you are can possibly live without some sin creeping in. Do your eyes never follow a pretty woman? Do you never feel dislike for another person? Sins aren't just what we might call the big ones like rage and hate and abuse. If you can say, hand on heart, that you have never sinned since you became a Christian I still wouldn't believe you.

thank you!!! Finally someone else who Tells bob the same thing i tell him.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Depends if you were genuinely repentant. If you were and nothing in your life was changing that I don't have an answer for that. It is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that brings about the change - we have no possibility of making a permanent change by ourselves. They say a leopard can't change it's spots - but God can.

exactly, now you just hit on the doctrine of election. Only those God wants to save, can get saved. Just because we ask to be saved, doesnt mean we will be.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Just because we ask to be saved, doesnt mean we will be.

“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.” (Revelation 22:17)

 

[Taken]

Bob, have you sold all and given the money to the poor to follow after Christ? Have you fed the hungry, clothed the naked, and taken in strangers that are homeless? If not then you have not obeyed the Lord.

Scripturally...give to the poor in spirit....Gods Word.
Scripturally...give to the poor in spirit...what you love...Gods Word.
Scripturally...Leave what you want, have a plenty...in the field for others passing by to Freely take.
Scripturally...Visit those incarcerated...give what you love...Gods Word.
Scripturally...Never borrow, but be a cheerful giver.
Scripturally...Offer a meal, lodging, Word of God to provide for themselves and bid them farewell out the door.
(Yep have and do those things.)

Secularly...rob what you don’t have from others that do have.
Secularly...give to those who do not work, what you worked for.
Secularly...give your things you do not Want, to others.
Secularly...help an other, to relieve your tax (theft) burden.
Secularly...Never a cheerful giver, when forced by compulsion & theft.
Secularly...Care for the homeless, as an endless enabled lifestyle.
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I would encourage you to try to obey the higher laws of God. (Matthew 25:35-40).

Excellent.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

exactly, now you just hit on the doctrine of election. Only those God wants to save, can get saved. Just because we ask to be saved, doesnt mean we will be.

That’s TRUE....There is a CAVEAT, of HOW one ASKS.
From the hearts’ thoughts.... yes
From the minds’ thoughts.... no

Only God and an individual KNOWS a mans True Heart’s thoughts.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Raccoon1010]

Scripturally...give to the poor in spirit....Gods Word.
Scripturally...give to the poor in spirit...what you love...Gods Word.
Scripturally...Leave what you want, have a plenty...in the field for others passing by to Freely take.
Scripturally...Visit those incarcerated...give what you love...Gods Word.
Scripturally...Never borrow, but be a cheerful giver.
Scripturally...Offer a meal, lodging, Word of God to provide for themselves and bid them farewell out the door.
(Yep have and do those things.)

Secularly...rob what you don’t have from others that do have.
Secularly...give to those who do not work, what you worked for.
Secularly...give your things you do not Want, to others.
Secularly...help an other, to relieve your tax (theft) burden.
Secularly...Never a cheerful giver, when forced by compulsion & theft.
Secularly...Care for the homeless, as an endless enabled lifestyle.
:)eek:)



Excellent.

God Bless,
Taken

I liked your post with one exception. The churches don't care for the disabled and hardly the poor, the government does that which is an important service if they are not to be condemned by the Lord as Sodom and Gomorrah were.

 

[Bob Estey]

So do you never sin - at all? Never get agitated or frustrated when driving, never criticise somebody? I do not believe you are can possibly live without some sin creeping in. Do your eyes never follow a pretty woman? Do you never feel dislike for another person? Sins aren't just what we might call the big ones like rage and hate and abuse. If you can say, hand on heart, that you have never sinned since you became a Christian I still wouldn't believe you.

I try not to sin at all. Sometimes I fail, but I soon realize a life of sin is not a happy life.

 

[Bob Estey]

Well, I think if I were going to be telling people to obey the commandments they should be included so people don't get the wrong idea. Or if I were going to promote not sinning the same. The commandment to love God and our neighbor are the greatest commandments and are covered in the extensive commandments here: Matthew 25:35-40

And if we are to tell people to obey the commandments then we should also be telling them also of a merciful Lord. That we are sinners and there is a way to be saved. Matthew 19:16-26. Because following those commandments given by Jesus seems impossible.

And then promoting unity between sinners so that we can fellowship and not come across judgmental like the self righteous are:Luke 18:9-14

It's very simple for me. The Lord led me to repent of sin I was committing. My life was transformed. I like to witness to this. Some people don't seem to approve.

 

[Bob Estey]

People can keep all ten commandments but still sin.

There are, of course, the two great commandments in the New Testament.

 

[Raccoon1010]

It's very simple for me. The Lord led me to repent of sin I was committing. My life was transformed. I like to witness to this. Some people don't seem to approve.

Oh, I see. Yes it's good to witness to people of some truth we have found. Or that we are closer to the Lord for some reason. Yes obeying the commandments makes us closer to the Holy Spirit. I think it's important that the message be correct though. My beliefs appear to be slightly different than yours.

 

[Bob Estey]

Oh, I see. Yes it's good to witness to people of some truth we have found. Or that we are closer to the Lord for some reason. Yes obeying the commandments makes us closer to the Holy Spirit. I think it's important that the message be correct though. My beliefs appear to be slightly different than yours.

I have seen it with my own eyes. Sin brings trouble into our lives. This isn't rocket science.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I have seen it with my own eyes. Sin brings trouble into our lives. This isn't rocket science.

Yes because of people sin can bring trouble into our lives. But not all sin is punished on this earth. I would tend to be more worried about the nature of sin in the soul and what it does to a person spiritually.

 

[Bob Estey]

Yes there is that. I was trying to convey to @Bob Estey that to love neighbor was spelled out what that means by Jesus in the Matthew 25:35-40. He spelled out how to love your neighbor. So not doing those things was condemned by Jesus. Not doing them is to sin against the commandment to love your neighbor.

Personally I think all of Jesus words should be treated as commandment. He is the Word of God.

Jesus said it himself: "You know the commandments." Matthew 10:19 & Luke 8:20 - and then he lists five or six. Don't make this harder for yourself than you need to.

 

[Bob Estey]

Yes because of people sin can bring trouble into our lives. But not all sin is punished on this earth. I would tend to be more worried about the nature of sin in the soul and what it does to a person spiritually.

You say that not all sin is punished. I dispute that. It might not be obvious, but I believe all sin brings us trouble.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Jesus said it himself: "You know the commandments." Matthew 10:19 & Luke 8:20 - and then he lists five or six. Don't make this harder for yourself than you need to.

This conversation has sort of turned old testament with 10 commandments. We now have the new testament and new laws.