Fundamentalist Christianity is fear-based?

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All I see is that you justify your fearfulness of God and hell. It's narcissistic to think that you know the absolute truth and everyone else whose not a Bible thumper is wrong. I understand it gives you a sense of comfort that you think you know something but really it's a bandaid for not knowing anything at all.

Just how Christianity had an overhaul with the protestant reformation in the 1500s, it needs another overhaul over to progressive christianity. The same people who are against progressive Christianity are the same people who knock socialism and support a bigot like Trump or Putin. You tell me I don't get a lot of likes on here which shows what matters to -you-. That's childish and it even reflects in how you interact with others. Not only do you consider yourself to be above anyone else whose not Christian, you also consider yourself to have the only correct interpretation. Religion gets a bad rap because it's people such as yourself who develop an ego that heavily revolves around their religion. You actually become less religious than anything else.

The only true wisdom is knowing that you know nothing, Socrates has said this as well. "Wisdom starts with fear"...that's insanity. Thinking you know the mother of all truths is really a massive lack of humility and just pure ignorance
Why is an atheist spending so much time on a Christian forum?

Do you think anybody here is going to listen to anything you have to say?
 

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Why is an atheist spending so much time on a Christian forum?

Do you think anybody here is going to listen to anything you have to say?

Progressive Christianity is true Christianity because it's based on love, not fear. Only atheist here is you. If you truly believed in God, you wouldn't be spewing all your fear based nonsense. Who listens to what you say? People here don't even get on the same page with you because of your overinflated ego and bigotry.

I believe in God BECAUSE I believe in myself. That is what fundamentalists such as yourself miss. You have a low value of human life and the body with the whole 'born in sin, flesh is sinful' rhetoric. You look down on anyone else who loves other people and the world as Godless heretics. You're a child in a grown body hence your comment of "you don't get many likes here do you". Ooooo look at me, I have more golden stars than you, what a joke

"Wisdom starts with fear." I just can't
 
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I feel bad for new members to Christian forums that have to shovel through page after page of manure from people like you, and all those who support you.

This here is absolute sun-dried dog $4!7. You claim that the Bible is important for Christian development and Salvation, but only if it is first filtered through a church and then delivered to the seeker by a church.

HORSE MANURE!!

And you can't present a single verse that even closely implies that nonsense.

That is exactly why God created the Bible to begin with was so that the common man could seek, and find, God on his own.

That's one of the reasons Jesus died on the Cross was so that we no longer needed to go through fallible man to seek God's counsel, but can now rely on Him as our High Priest from within to teach us exactly what we need to know about His Word. That's why the veil separating the Holy of Holies was ripped from top to bottom upon Christ's death. We now have direct access to God via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and can discern Scripture all by ourselves, all alone on a desert island if necessary.

There's not a church upon the earth today that the devil hasn't corrupted. You have no chance of putting together a comprehensive understanding of God's Word through the teaching of the church; any church for that matter.

You are guaranteed lost if you continue to believe this way; and you're teaching the devil's doctrine.

Who's surprised?

acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)
 

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I feel bad for new members to Christian forums that have to shovel through page after page of manure from people like you, and all those who support you.

This here is absolute sun-dried dog $4!7. You claim that the Bible is important for Christian development and Salvation, but only if it is first filtered through a church and then delivered to the seeker by a church.

HORSE MANURE!!

And you can't present a single verse that even closely implies that nonsense.

That is exactly why God created the Bible to begin with was so that the common man could seek, and find, God on his own.

That's one of the reasons Jesus died on the Cross was so that we no longer needed to go through fallible man to seek God's counsel, but can now rely on Him as our High Priest from within to teach us exactly what we need to know about His Word. That's why the veil separating the Holy of Holies was ripped from top to bottom upon Christ's death. We now have direct access to God via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and can discern Scripture all by ourselves, all alone on a desert island if necessary.

There's not a church upon the earth today that the devil hasn't corrupted. You have no chance of putting together a comprehensive understanding of God's Word through the teaching of the church; any church for that matter.

You are guaranteed lost if you continue to believe this way; and you're teaching the devil's doctrine.

Who's surprised?

matt 18:17 hear the church or be in spiritual anarchy!
 

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I just can't lol. You know you've lost it when you don't even deny it. Folks, how is living a lifetime in fear a virtue?
 

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I feel bad for new members to Christian forums that have to shovel through page after page of manure from people like you, and all those who support you.

This here is absolute sun-dried dog $4!7. You claim that the Bible is important for Christian development and Salvation, but only if it is first filtered through a church and then delivered to the seeker by a church.

HORSE MANURE!!

And you can't present a single verse that even closely implies that nonsense.

That is exactly why God created the Bible to begin with was so that the common man could seek, and find, God on his own.

That's one of the reasons Jesus died on the Cross was so that we no longer needed to go through fallible man to seek God's counsel, but can now rely on Him as our High Priest from within to teach us exactly what we need to know about His Word. That's why the veil separating the Holy of Holies was ripped from top to bottom upon Christ's death. We now have direct access to God via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and can discern Scripture all by ourselves, all alone on a desert island if necessary.

There's not a church upon the earth today that the devil hasn't corrupted. You have no chance of putting together a comprehensive understanding of God's Word through the teaching of the church; any church for that matter.

You are guaranteed lost if you continue to believe this way; and you're teaching the devil's doctrine.

Who's surprised?

The church of the apostles founded by Christ on Peter & the apostles received all of the faith, all truths revealed by God personally taught by Christ to his church!

The rule of faith is the doctrine of the apostles! Or the apostolic tradition! Acts 2:42

All men Must be taught, or instructed, Lk 1:4 acts 8:31 and hear the church Matt 18:17 and the church is the pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15 cos Christ and his apostolic church are one!
Matt 5:14 , Jn 15:5, Acts 9:4, Eph 5:32

Truth must be revealed by Christ Jude 1:3 and taught by his apostolic church. Matt 28:19

The holy church does not require scripture to know the truth cos the church received the “deposit of faith” Jude 1:3 from Christ in person and the church of the apostles by apostolic authority and inspired human authority wrote the scriptures, and the apostolic authority verified them, declared what is inspired scripture, and what is not the inspired scripture, as an example the gospel of Thomas is not inspired scripture but the gospel of Matthew is inspired scripture.

The deposit of faith, the entire divine revelation and word of God is given to the church of the apostles by Christ to safeguard against all error!
And to faithfully teach all nations!
Jude 1:3, Matt 28:19 Jn 16:13

Apostles have the same mission, power and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21-23

The church of the apostles founded by Christ on Peter received all of the faith, all truths revealed by God personally taught by Christ to his apostles!

The rule of faith is the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6
The church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15
Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
 
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I feel bad for new members to Christian forums that have to shovel through page after page of manure from people like you, and all those who support you.

This here is absolute sun-dried dog $4!7. You claim that the Bible is important for Christian development and Salvation, but only if it is first filtered through a church and then delivered to the seeker by a church.

HORSE MANURE!!

And you can't present a single verse that even closely implies that nonsense.

That is exactly why God created the Bible to begin with was so that the common man could seek, and find, God on his own.

That's one of the reasons Jesus died on the Cross was so that we no longer needed to go through fallible man to seek God's counsel, but can now rely on Him as our High Priest from within to teach us exactly what we need to know about His Word. That's why the veil separating the Holy of Holies was ripped from top to bottom upon Christ's death. We now have direct access to God via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and can discern Scripture all by ourselves, all alone on a desert island if necessary.

There's not a church upon the earth today that the devil hasn't corrupted. You have no chance of putting together a comprehensive understanding of God's Word through the teaching of the church; any church for that matter.

You are guaranteed lost if you continue to believe this way; and you're teaching the devil's doctrine.

Who's surprised?

The authority of the apostles is required to know what is the scriptures and what is not, the church having wrote the New Testament by the authority of Christ the apostles determined what is scripture and the authentic interpretation there of!

Saint Jerome’s work of collecting the Bible and getting it approved did not happen until in 381 it was approved by the Pope, the valid successor of Peter having jurisdiction authority of the keys of the kingdom of heaven!

How did the church for almost four centuries live without the “Bible alone”?
The teaching authority of the apostles that’s how! The Bible’s is the Bible by the authority of the church, Christ’s authority given to His apostles!

Christ founded the church on Peter and the apostles to defend, to protect, and to teach “thee faith”

A fundamentalist is ruled by spiritual pride, self-righteous private judgement from scripture, or the humility to hear the teaching of Christ through the church of His apostles?
Obedience of faith: rom 16:26
We must be taught by Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life. Jn 14:6
Instructed: Lk 1:4 acts 8:31
Teach all nations: Matt 28:19
He who hears you (the apostles) hears me: lk 10:16
Hear the church: Matt 18:17
Church is the pillar and ground of truth: 1 Tim 3:14
Christ and his church are one, the church is an extension of Christ through the whole world and all time: acts 9:4

Not scripture plus private judgement

But guided by the teaching office of Christ and his church!

Without the teaching authority of the apostles you cannot know what is and what is not scripture!

Please explain how the church of Jesus Christ existed before the New Testament, the church taught and believed before the New Testament with the same authority of Christ!

Church of the apostles has the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21-23

The church wrote the New Testament, the church gathered the cannon of scripture, the church alone has authority to say what is, and what is not scripture and to give the authoritative interpretation or meaning of scripture!

Not spiritual pride & self-righteous private judgement!
 

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I feel bad for new members to Christian forums that have to shovel through page after page of manure from people like you, and all those who support you.

This here is absolute sun-dried dog $4!7. You claim that the Bible is important for Christian development and Salvation, but only if it is first filtered through a church and then delivered to the seeker by a church.

HORSE MANURE!!

And you can't present a single verse that even closely implies that nonsense.

That is exactly why God created the Bible to begin with was so that the common man could seek, and find, God on his own.

That's one of the reasons Jesus died on the Cross was so that we no longer needed to go through fallible man to seek God's counsel, but can now rely on Him as our High Priest from within to teach us exactly what we need to know about His Word. That's why the veil separating the Holy of Holies was ripped from top to bottom upon Christ's death. We now have direct access to God via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and can discern Scripture all by ourselves, all alone on a desert island if necessary.

There's not a church upon the earth today that the devil hasn't corrupted. You have no chance of putting together a comprehensive understanding of God's Word through the teaching of the church; any church for that matter.

You are guaranteed lost if you continue to believe this way; and you're teaching the devil's doctrine.

Who's surprised?

matt 16;18 shall not prevail!
Jn 16:13 no error
 

theefaith

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I feel bad for new members to Christian forums that have to shovel through page after page of manure from people like you, and all those who support you.

This here is absolute sun-dried dog $4!7. You claim that the Bible is important for Christian development and Salvation, but only if it is first filtered through a church and then delivered to the seeker by a church.

HORSE MANURE!!

And you can't present a single verse that even closely implies that nonsense.

That is exactly why God created the Bible to begin with was so that the common man could seek, and find, God on his own.

That's one of the reasons Jesus died on the Cross was so that we no longer needed to go through fallible man to seek God's counsel, but can now rely on Him as our High Priest from within to teach us exactly what we need to know about His Word. That's why the veil separating the Holy of Holies was ripped from top to bottom upon Christ's death. We now have direct access to God via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and can discern Scripture all by ourselves, all alone on a desert island if necessary.

There's not a church upon the earth today that the devil hasn't corrupted. You have no chance of putting together a comprehensive understanding of God's Word through the teaching of the church; any church for that matter.

You are guaranteed lost if you continue to believe this way; and you're teaching the devil's doctrine.

Who's surprised?

where does the Bible say the Bible alone? Acts 8:31
Where does it say all truths revealed by God are in scripture?
Where does it say only the 66 Protestant books are the word of God?
 

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Grace and mercy are a challenge for christians to stop worrying about what man believes or does not, the requirments are exposing its leavened requirments is false christians beliefs, the need of Bragg or claim supperior positions sinks the grace and mercy with certain allowable actions is no better than law needing victory over grace. All saved is a unfavorite possibilities' for God.
 

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even Jesus Christ?

I respect Jesus and his teachings have value. I think because of how wise he was, people wanted to aggrandize him to the point of saying he could cure the blind and walk on water and that's coming from those who lived 2000 years ago without electricity. I don't get why people have to take up these extremes of either dismissing Jesus or completely being fanatical over him. There's all these fundamentalists yet Jesus spoke in parables. It's not about believing, but understanding

Martin Luther saw all these problems with Christianity and came up with the 95 theses. The Catholics see Protestants as not Christian. So if Martin Luther could do that, why can't progressive Christianity do the same?
 
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All this original poster's intention is to try and defame Fundalmentalist Christianity, which is Reveled Christianity from The Bible.

Now just because there are 'some'... preachers that preach hellfire and damnation, and sometimes go a little overboard, that does NOT mean they are wrong with the basic concept. Lord Jesus Himself preached hellfire and damnation (Mark 16:16; John 3:18; John 8:24; John 12:47-48; Matthew 5:22; Matthew 10:28; Matthew 25:40-41; Luke 12:5).

So basically, if one does not like preachers that preach hellfire and damnation, then it means they don't like Lord Jesus preaching it either! Does that reveal a possible 'problem' with those who don't like that preaching??? YES! It reveals a hint of REBELLION against The LORD GOD and His Word of Truth.
 

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where does the Bible say the Bible alone? Acts 8:31
Where does it say all truths revealed by God are in scripture?
Where does it say only the 66 Protestant books are the word of God?

Acts 8:31 was a request by an Ethiopian for someone to guide him in understanding Isaiah. So what does that prove? Jesus said He would send the Holy Spirit to guide Christians into all truth. That's as straightforward as it gets. No Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, "fathers" are necessary. Each person should have a personal relationship with God, their father (abba). Intermediaries are not necessary!

John 17:14-17, "I have given them your word, and the world has hated them, because they do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world. I am not asking you to take them out of the world, but that you keep them safe from the evil one. They do not belong to the world just as I do not belong to the world. Set them apart in the truth; your word is truth. "

Where does it say that the apocrypha are the word of God?
 

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The church of the apostles founded by Christ on Peter & the apostles received all of the faith, all truths revealed by God personally taught by Christ to his church!

The rule of faith is the doctrine of the apostles! Or the apostolic tradition! Acts 2:42

All men Must be taught, or instructed, Lk 1:4 acts 8:31 and hear the church Matt 18:17 and the church is the pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15 cos Christ and his apostolic church are one!
Matt 5:14 , Jn 15:5, Acts 9:4, Eph 5:32

Truth must be revealed by Christ Jude 1:3 and taught by his apostolic church. Matt 28:19

The holy church does not require scripture to know the truth cos the church received the “deposit of faith” Jude 1:3 from Christ in person and the church of the apostles by apostolic authority and inspired human authority wrote the scriptures, and the apostolic authority verified them, declared what is inspired scripture, and what is not the inspired scripture, as an example the gospel of Thomas is not inspired scripture but the gospel of Matthew is inspired scripture.

The deposit of faith, the entire divine revelation and word of God is given to the church of the apostles by Christ to safeguard against all error!
And to faithfully teach all nations!
Jude 1:3, Matt 28:19 Jn 16:13

Apostles have the same mission, power and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21-23

The church of the apostles founded by Christ on Peter received all of the faith, all truths revealed by God personally taught by Christ to his apostles!

The rule of faith is the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6
The church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15
Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Your statement that "The holy church does not require scripture to know the truth cos the church received the “deposit of faith” " says it all. No wonder the RCC is so screwed up! Discard the truth of the Bible and you end up with all kinds of weird, false "knowledge", i.e., lies. The RCC is the epitome of false doctrine and teaching.
 
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The authority of the apostles is required to know what is the scriptures and what is not, the church having wrote the New Testament by the authority of Christ the apostles determined what is scripture and the authentic interpretation there of!

Saint Jerome’s work of collecting the Bible and getting it approved did not happen until in 381 it was approved by the Pope, the valid successor of Peter having jurisdiction authority of the keys of the kingdom of heaven!

How did the church for almost four centuries live without the “Bible alone”?
The teaching authority of the apostles that’s how! The Bible’s is the Bible by the authority of the church, Christ’s authority given to His apostles!

Christ founded the church on Peter and the apostles to defend, to protect, and to teach “thee faith”

A fundamentalist is ruled by spiritual pride, self-righteous private judgement from scripture, or the humility to hear the teaching of Christ through the church of His apostles?
Obedience of faith: rom 16:26
We must be taught by Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life. Jn 14:6
Instructed: Lk 1:4 acts 8:31
Teach all nations: Matt 28:19
He who hears you (the apostles) hears me: lk 10:16
Hear the church: Matt 18:17
Church is the pillar and ground of truth: 1 Tim 3:14
Christ and his church are one, the church is an extension of Christ through the whole world and all time: acts 9:4

Not scripture plus private judgement

But guided by the teaching office of Christ and his church!

Without the teaching authority of the apostles you cannot know what is and what is not scripture!

Please explain how the church of Jesus Christ existed before the New Testament, the church taught and believed before the New Testament with the same authority of Christ!

Church of the apostles has the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21-23

The church wrote the New Testament, the church gathered the cannon of scripture, the church alone has authority to say what is, and what is not scripture and to give the authoritative interpretation or meaning of scripture!

Not spiritual pride & self-righteous private judgement!

You statement that "How did the church for almost four centuries live without the “Bible alone”? is bizarre. The "books" of the Bible existed from the time of the early Hebrews through the time of the New Testament and beyond. What is the matter with you??
 
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