Fundamentalist Christianity is fear-based?

[amigo de christo]

Not this crap again.The Bible is the Word of God. Those who 'believe', and understand, that, make The Bible the authority upon the earth. Those who do not, make man, and traditions, the authority.

There is no reality of the Holy Spirit teaching people the Bible aside from Scripture. That is a delusion.

God wrote the Bible, yes - God wrote it, as a very important part of His plan to instruct the Saints via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If all that was ever needed was the Spirit, all of the long history, and great travail, of putting the Bible together would have been unnecessary.

That is not the case.

Right my friend . That man , his love is the doctrine of the CC . Not Christ . THE CC .
He is gonna preach the CC , but i am gonna point to JESUS CHRIST and biblical doctrine . IN the end one will wail .
Only i pray that one repents so as he wont have to wail on the day of the LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

LOL...Fundamentalism is accepting the knowledge of Scripture for what it say.



LOL...Since your opening statement is a fallacy, you have to take a negative attribute that applies to you and upchuck it against others, as if that make your fallacy have merit. It doesn’t.



LOL...The “Bible alone”, ....a “rule of faith for Christians”, is your own words, you eat them.

The “Bible alone” Is sufficient for hearing/reading Gods Word.
Non-Catholics are aware, “Faith is Gift from God” for hearing/reading Gods Word from and in the Bible....that apparently is a real thorn in a Catholics side.

What “gift are Catholics offered” for hearing/reading a Catholic Catechism manual? Cracker and wine? Enticing!

It is a thorn in that instutions side . Cause if folks would learn the bibles for themselves
They would lose all power and all control , Which means their MONEY MONEY .
That entire system is nothing more than a deception by which to gain the things of this world , all power and all control , all monies .
THEY GOT super rich doing this . Do you realize that that Church alone would make benny hinn combined with kenneth copeland
rick warren , joel ostein , LOOK BROKE . YET they dont focus on the false prosperity gospel that the bennys and kennys do ,
YET all the same through power and control they grow very fat and very rich , ONLY in truth they grow very lean and very poor
blind and naked . Hold not thy breath for me to say otherwise . And i know the bennys and kennys are false
but i know that system is the mother harlot of them all . I say let us learn those bibles and that JESUS very well .

 

[theefaith]

Not this crap again.The Bible is the Word of God. Those who 'believe', and understand, that, make The Bible the authority upon the earth. Those who do not, make man, and traditions, the authority.

There is no reality of the Holy Spirit teaching people the Bible aside from Scripture. That is a delusion.

God wrote the Bible, yes - God wrote it, as a very important part of His plan to instruct the Saints via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If all that was ever needed was the Spirit, all of the long history, and great travail, of putting the Bible together would have been unnecessary.

That is not the case.

the Bible yes!

the “Bible alone” no!

 

[Jim B]

Not this crap again.The Bible is the Word of God. Those who 'believe', and understand, that, make The Bible the authority upon the earth. Those who do not, make man, and traditions, the authority.

There is no reality of the Holy Spirit teaching people the Bible aside from Scripture. That is a delusion.

God wrote the Bible, yes - God wrote it, as a very important part of His plan to instruct the Saints via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If all that was ever needed was the Spirit, all of the long history, and great travail, of putting the Bible together would have been unnecessary.

That is not the case.

So illiterate people can't be Christians? Your argument is nonsense. God can do as He chooses.

 

[theefaith]

LOL...Fundamentalism is accepting the knowledge of Scripture for what it says.



LOL...Since your opening statement is a fallacy, you have to take a negative attribute that applies to you and upchuck it against others, as if that make your fallacy have merit. It doesn’t.



LOL...The “Bible alone”, ....a “rule of faith for Christians”, is your own words, you eat them.

The “Bible alone” Is sufficient for hearing/reading Gods Word.
Non-Catholics are aware, “Faith is Gift from God” for hearing/reading Gods Word from and in the Bible....that apparently is a real thorn in a Catholics side.

What “gift are Catholics offered” for hearing/reading a Catholic Catechism manual? Cracker and wine? Enticing!

Fundamentalism is accepting the knowledge of Scripture for what it says.

so you do this?

isa 7:14 virgin birth?

 

[Taken]

Fundamentalism is accepting the knowledge of Scripture for what it says.

so you do this?

Sure.

isa 7:14 virgin birth?

Sure. Just as God can supernaturally put His seed in me, not a mystery God prepared a body, in the likeness As a man, for His Word and supernaturally placed that body in a virgin womb.
Confidant that was not a difficult Work of Gods Power.

 

[theefaith]

The Bible and Christ make the church the authority Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

 

[theefaith]

Sure.



Sure. Just as God can supernaturally put His seed in me, not a mystery God prepared a body, in the likeness As a man, for His Word and supernaturally placed that body in a virgin womb.
Confidant that was not a difficult Work of Gods Power.

to clarify

1) she was a virgin before conception?

2) conceived by the HS?

3) after the birth she was still a virgin?
(At least a few days, no intended reference to her perpetual virginity)

 

[GEN2REV]

God can do as He chooses.

Yes and He chose to go to great lengths to get the Bible into the hands of all His Children for them to learn about, and understand, Him better.

If it wasn't necessary, He wouldn't have "chosen" to do so.

He could have chosen to do it another way, but this is the Way that He chose.

 

[Taken]

to clarify

1) she was a virgin before conception?

Yes.

Matt 1:
[18] ...Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

2) conceived by the HS?

No, not by, OF.

Matt 1:
[18] ....that which is conceived in her is OF the Holy Ghost.

3) after the birth she was still a virgin?

According to the Law, (Lev 12:2), (Lev 12:4), Mary had to remain a virgin for 41 days, after the birth of Jesus.

Matt 1:
[25] And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son; and he called his name JESUS.

Luke 2:
[21] And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
[22] And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (33 days)

 

[Taken]

Fundamentalist Christianity is fear-based?
OP ^

Fear is a funky word.
Fear - Be Afraid of something.
Fear - Be in Reverence toward something.

Christianity is a religious order of Beliefs, based on belief in the Existence of the Lord God Almighty, being the supreme creator and maker, and the teachings thereof that Lord God Almighty.

Afraid is geared toward the unknown. Men who do not know Gods Word, Know God, Know His works, Know His Power.....Know Not what is foretold, to expect, the truth, etc. are afraid of what might be.

Fear of the Lord, as in Reverence, yes is taught in fundamental Christianity.

 

[theefaith]

Yes and He chose to go to great lengths to get the Bible into the hands of all His Children for them to learn about, and understand, Him better.

If it wasn't necessary, He wouldn't have "chosen" to do so.

He could have chosen to do it another way, but this is the Way that He chose.

Not what the Bible says!


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

 

[Davy]

First off, we are all going to hell in someone's eyes.

Honestly to me the whole idea of heaven and hell is like the carrot and the stick. I cannot wrap my mind around how one could consider themselves to be 'saved without them looking down on anyone else who doesn't believe what they believe. Heaven and hell are two sides of the same coin. There really is no heaven or hell, there is just the coin. I think God is a lot like that, just what is. Unconditional love/freedom. All that truly is, is the here and now. Whether I'm on earth, Mars, heaven, or hell, I am always just 'here'.

What a JOKE.

If you do not believe there is a hell or a heaven, then it means you are not a Christian.

 

[GEN2REV]

Not what the Bible says!


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

What you're claiming is that the Bible is not at all necessary for anybody's development as Christians, nor does it have any significance at all in Salvation.

What do you have to say about Jesus' declarations in John 6.

Specifically:
John 6:35
John 6:51
John 6:63*
John 6:68*

The Bible is God's Word upon the earth. Any level of diminishing that is heresy of the devil.

And if the Bible is God's Word, and Jesus is God's Word, then John 6:44 refers to the Father sending us to the Bible.

Anybody who has no passion at all inside for God's Word does not have the Spirit yearning within them to seek Scripture; Truth recognizes, and longs for, Truth.

Everything else is man-made counterfeit Religiosity and fable.

 

[theefaith]

What you're claiming is that the Bible is not at all necessary for anybody's development as Christians, nor does it have any significance at all in Salvation.

What do you have to say about Jesus' declarations in John 6.

Specifically:
John 6:35
John 6:51
John 6:63*
John 6:68*

The Bible is God's Word upon the earth. Any level of diminishing that is heresy of the devil.

And if the Bible is God's Word, and Jesus is God's Word, then John 6:44 refers to the Father sending us to the Bible.

Anybody who has no passion at all inside for God's Word does not have the Spirit yearning within them to seek Scripture; Truth recognizes, and longs for, Truth.

Everything else is man-made counterfeit Religiosity and fable.

the Bible yes but as the church teaches

the Bible alone no!

Read for yourself and make your own faith no!

diy religion no!

self-appointed teachers no!

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14



God does not reveal His truth in a vacuum!

God does not set His true adrift on a sea of spiritual anarchy!

God sets His truth in His church, in the possession of His apostles to safeguard, to ensure it is not added to, or taken away from, or changed in any way!

And to teach the same truth to all nations and all ages!

Verified by scripture:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints!

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness!
(all scripture not 66 books alone)

Must be instructed in the faith:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations…

Jn 29:21-23 as the father sent me, so I send you. (Same mission, power, and authority to teach all nations)

Lk 10:16 He who hears you, (His apostles) hear me.

Jn 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 8:32 You (the apostles) shall know the truth; and the truth shall make you free.

Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(His apostles)


The whole purpose for the church of Jesus Christ is to teach all nations the truths revealed by Christ and the salvation of souls!

is Dan 13 scripture?

 

[Animal2692]

What you're claiming is that the Bible is not at all necessary for anybody's development as Christians, nor does it have any significance at all in Salvation.

What do you have to say about Jesus' declarations in John 6.

Specifically:
John 6:35
John 6:51
John 6:63*
John 6:68*

The Bible is God's Word upon the earth. Any level of diminishing that is heresy of the devil.

And if the Bible is God's Word, and Jesus is God's Word, then John 6:44 refers to the Father sending us to the Bible.

Anybody who has no passion at all inside for God's Word does not have the Spirit yearning within them to seek Scripture; Truth recognizes, and longs for, Truth.

Everything else is man-made counterfeit Religiosity and fable.

All I see is that you justify your fearfulness of God and hell. It's narcissistic to think that you know the absolute truth and everyone else whose not a Bible thumper is wrong. I understand it gives you a sense of comfort that you think you know something but really it's a bandaid for not knowing anything at all.

Just how Christianity had an overhaul with the protestant reformation in the 1500s, it needs another overhaul over to progressive christianity. The same people who are against progressive Christianity are the same people who knock socialism and support a bigot like Trump or Putin. You tell me I don't get a lot of likes on here which shows what matters to -you-. That's childish and it even reflects in how you interact with others. Not only do you consider yourself to be above anyone else whose not Christian, you also consider yourself to have the only correct interpretation. Religion gets a bad rap because it's people such as yourself who develop an ego that heavily revolves around their religion. You actually become less religious than anything else.

The only true wisdom is knowing that you know nothing, Socrates has said this as well. "Wisdom starts with fear"...that's insanity. Thinking you know the mother of all truths is really a massive lack of humility and just pure ignorance

 

[Animal2692]

What a JOKE.

If you do not believe there is a hell or a heaven, then it means you are not a Christian.

No, it just means I don't have a fear based approach to Christianity. The extent that fundamentalists will go to rationalize their fear, bigotry, and narcissism, blows my mind. I'm glad fundamentalism is on the decline and on its way out of society so we can find a healthier approach.
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Fundamentalist Christianity is homophobic and some will say that only the act is since God just so happened to create someone with an attraction for the same sex. I feel bad about those who force themselves to stay celibate out of fear of God and they have to suppress their natural attraction for the same sex. It is things like that from the Bible that are responsible for higher suicide and depression rates among those who aren't straight. Fundamentalists have no consideration for those types of people or mothers who end up pregnant due to rape and want to get an abortion. All it boils down to is fundamentalists projecting their fear onto others who aren't like them. That type of thinking is what's an abomination.

 

[GEN2REV]

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

I feel bad for new members to Christian forums that have to shovel through page after page of manure from people like you, and all those who support you.

This here is absolute sun-dried dog $4!7. You claim that the Bible is important for Christian development and Salvation, but only if it is first filtered through a church and then delivered to the seeker by a church.

HORSE MANURE!!

And you can't present a single verse that even closely implies that nonsense.

That is exactly why God created the Bible to begin with was so that the common man could seek, and find, God on his own.

That's one of the reasons Jesus died on the Cross was so that we no longer needed to go through fallible man to seek God's counsel, but can now rely on Him as our High Priest from within to teach us exactly what we need to know about His Word. That's why the veil separating the Holy of Holies was ripped from top to bottom upon Christ's death. We now have direct access to God via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and can discern Scripture all by ourselves, all alone on a desert island if necessary.

There's not a church upon the earth today that the devil hasn't corrupted. You have no chance of putting together a comprehensive understanding of God's Word through the teaching of the church; any church for that matter.

You are guaranteed lost if you continue to believe this way; and you're teaching the devil's doctrine.

Who's surprised?

 

[theefaith]

All I see is that you justify your fearfulness of God and hell. It's narcissistic to think that you know the absolute truth and everyone else whose not a Bible thumper is wrong. I understand it gives you a sense of comfort that you think you know something but really it's a bandaid for not knowing anything at all.

Just how Christianity had an overhaul with the protestant reformation in the 1500s, it needs another overhaul over to progressive christianity. The same people who are against progressive Christianity are the same people who knock socialism and support a bigot like Trump or Putin. You tell me I don't get a lot of likes on here which shows what matters to -you-. That's childish and it even reflects in how you interact with others. Not only do you consider yourself to be above anyone else whose not Christian, you also consider yourself to have the only correct interpretation. Religion gets a bad rap because it's people such as yourself who develop an ego that heavily revolves around their religion. You actually become less religious than anything else.

The only true wisdom is knowing that you know nothing, Socrates has said this as well. "Wisdom starts with fear"...that's insanity. Thinking you know the mother of all truths is really a massive lack of humility and just pure ignorance

Hum!
I don’t recall any overhaul in the 1500’s???

Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6

The church is an extension of Christ!

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20



Jesus is the truth!

Jn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

To know the truth it is required to know Jesus Christ!

The truth is not some thing but somebody! Jesus Christ!

 

[Animal2692]

I feel bad for new members to Christian forums that have to shovel through page after page of manure from people like you, and all those who support you.

This here is absolute sun-dried dog $4!7. You claim that the Bible is important for Christian development and Salvation, but only if it is first filtered through a church and then delivered to the seeker by a church.

HORSE MANURE!!

And you can't present a single verse that even closely implies that nonsense.

That is exactly why God created the Bible to begin with was so that the common man could seek, and find, God on his own.

That's one of the reasons Jesus died on the Cross was so that we no longer needed to go through fallible man to seek God's counsel, but can now rely on Him as our High Priest from within to teach us exactly what we need to know about His Word. That's why the veil separating the Holy of Holies was ripped from top to bottom upon Christ's death. We now have direct access to God via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and can discern Scripture all by ourselves, all alone on a desert island if necessary.

There's not a church upon the earth today that the devil hasn't corrupted. You have no chance of putting together a comprehensive understanding of God's Word through the teaching of the church; any church for that matter.

You are guaranteed lost if you continue to believe this way; and you're teaching the devil's doctrine.

Who's surprised?

More fear mongering and projection. "You're teaching the devil's doctrine! Fear the wraith of God!" Give me a break. You really need to come face to face with a fundamentalist Muslim or Catholic to get a taste of your own bigotry and narcissism.