Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[Johann]

Just suggestions

Barney, you have my deepest gratitude!
I am on it...Can you get the audio transcribed for me Barn, Ol' reformer has his eyes on me all the time, I am working "underground"
Yours in Christ!
J.

 

[marks]

When I talk about holiness, that’s not exactly what I’m thinking.
Sorry, missed the rest of the sentence somehow - being set apart for a sacred purpose.

or maybe what I mean to say is that definition doesn’t fully encompass it…

And yet that is what it means. What more do you think it means?

Much love!

 

[BarneyFife]

www.Scripture4all.org I use this one all the time.

Much love!

Interlinear Bible: Greek, Hebrew, Transliterated, English, Strong's

They're everywhere. I've come to embrace webapps. That'll probably get me in trouble one day when the lights go out. I stopped using Windows a few years ago, so I can only run popular software on a virtual machine.

 

[marks]

I've seen the Biblical arguments for both sides. If it were cut and dried, this would've been resolved centuries ago.

But that doesn't take into account why men argue. It's not so innocent as all that. Some are simply misled, but some are prideful, and find affirmation in certain doctrines, defending them emotionally.

Much love!

 

[BarneyFife]

The issue has been resolved

I'd be interested to hear your definition of "resolved."

 

[BarneyFife]

Barney, you have my deepest gratitude!
I am on it...Can you get the audio transcribed for me Barn, Ol' reformer has his eyes on me all the time, I am working "underground"
Yours in Christ!
J.

Quick as I can, but I'm not known for my zip. :)

 

[marks]

What makes you think that in the Calvinist view the salvation offer to everyone is not real? If someone believes, they would be saved. The problem is nobody wants to believe.

Come to Me, all you who are weary, and I will give you rest. Is this a real invitation? Is it open to all? Or was Jesus hiding the "fact" that though He made it sound like "all who are weary" are invited, really, what He meant, secretly, was, "All who are weary of the elect" are invited?

No. That's how duplicitous men talk, not God, Who does not lie.

And there are many many places like that.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

Unless you believe in universalism, you need to rethink your use of those passages and look at context and meaning. No, God does not desire all individuals to be saved, that is not his will. If it were, all would be saved and we know all are not.

1Jn_2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Mat_11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


Psalm 98:3

He has remembered His lovingkindness and His faithfulness to the house of Israel;
All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.

Psalm 67:2

That Your way may be known on the earth,
Your salvation among all nations.

Isaiah 45:22

“Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.




John 5:34

But the testimony which I receive is not from man, but I say these things so that you may be saved.

1 Timothy 2:4

who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Mr Reformer, it Is God's boule and thelema that ta panta should be saved, knowing that some (the vast majority) in the "all" would refuse, by their own volition for not all have faith.
Are we in agreement here?
God has no pleasure in the death of a sinner...clear, plain language.
J.

 

[marks]

Interlinear Bible: Greek, Hebrew, Transliterated, English, Strong's

They're everywhere. I've come to embrace webapps. That'll probably get me in trouble one day when the lights go out. I stopped using Windows a few years ago, so I can only run popular software on a virtual machine.

Irfanview is fantastic!

Much love!

 

[Johann]

Quick as I can, but I'm not known for my zip.

Lol!

 

[marks]

I'd be interested to hear your definition of "resolved."

Just what you think, but this applies to whom it applies, and not to whom it does not.

The discussion of election becomes to full of nonsense arguments, and some people just refuse to let go of what they think is working for them.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Quick as I can, but I'm not known for my zip. :)

Is that a code?

 

[marks]

Are we in agreement here?

You are with me!

Much love!

 

[Johann]

I disagree with you. The issue has been resolved, yet many still persist in disputing it.

I've seen passages brought up time and time again, that make clear plain statements, and no matter how fully this is presented, people still continue to misuse them.

This one "you have not chosen me, but I have chosen you" is one of my favorite examples, because it is so straightforward, and so commonly misused.

Another,

Ephesians 1:3-4 KJV
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

We are chosen "in Him", as Jesus is the "Elect Servant" (Isaiah 42:1). We have all spiritual blessings in Christ. If you are not "in Christ", you do not have those blessings, including election.

We are elect because He is elect, and in Him, we share what He has, including election.

Much love!

Thank you, straightforward plain language for a "confused" man at the moment..
J.

 

[reformed1689]

1Jn_2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Mat_11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


Psalm 98:3

He has remembered His lovingkindness and His faithfulness to the house of Israel;
All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.

Psalm 67:2

That Your way may be known on the earth,
Your salvation among all nations.

Isaiah 45:22

“Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.




John 5:34

But the testimony which I receive is not from man, but I say these things so that you may be saved.

1 Timothy 2:4

who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Mr Reformer, it Is God's boule and thelema that ta panta should be saved, knowing that some (the vast majority) in the "all" would refuse, by their own volition for not all have faith.
Are we in agreement here?
God has no pleasure in the death of a sinner...clear, plain language.
J.

Let me ask you a simple question. Does anyone go to Hell?

 

[reformed1689]

Come to Me, all you who are weary, and I will give you rest. Is this a real invitation? Is it open to all? Or was Jesus hiding the "fact" that though He made it sound like "all who are weary" are invited, really, what He meant, secretly, was, "All who are weary of the elect" are invited?

No. That's how duplicitous men talk, not God, Who does not lie.

And there are many many places like that.

Much love!

Of course it is an open invitation. But nobody wants to accept it.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

...and ol' Barn likes your "lolling" and I find it hilariously silly.

You are quite abusive Johann. I don’t know if that comes from being abused yourself, if you mostly do it to women or if it’s nongender specific, if I remind you of someone who harmed you, if it’s a South African trait. I don’t know the why, but as I’ve said though, it doesn’t hurt or bother me. You just keep doing it if it helps you to feel better.

 

[Johann]

You are quite abusive Johann. I don’t know if that comes from being abused yourself, if you mostly do it to women or if it’s nongender specific, if I remind you of someone who harmed you, if it’s a South African trait. I don’t know the why, but as I’ve said though, it doesn’t hurt or bother me. You just keep doing it if it helps you to feel better.

No, wrong assumption on your part.
You don't know me.
J.

 

[marks]

Of course it is an open invitation. But nobody wants to accept it.

You make His invitation empty. Offering something with no intent to give it is dishonest.

And God is not a liar. That's what men do, not God.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You are quite abusive Johann. I don’t know if that comes from being abused yourself, if you mostly do it to women or if it’s nongender specific, if I remind you of someone who harmed you, if it’s a South African trait. I don’t know the why, but as I’ve said though, it doesn’t hurt or bother me. You just keep doing it if it helps you to feel better.

Maybe take a little more time to try to understand @Johann better? I needed that myself. Someone from a different culture, a native speaker of a different language, communication can take more effort.

And Johann, I apologize for how I must have seemed to you at the first! I'm glad you have come, and I'm hoping for edifying fellowship between us.

Much love!