Thank you for your clarity.
He was speaking to His Father.
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For those who think Christ is not God.
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He was speaking to His Father.
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Waiting on him
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John 17:5-6,9 KJV
[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. [6] I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. [9] I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Ok, so why would Jesus not pray for the world, when he is on the cusp of giving his life for it?
Interesting! Is it not actual glory? Not actually before the world was? What are we talking about here??
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Waiting on him
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Because He was praying for His disciples, and those who would believe on Him.
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Why didn't you ask me about Jesus not praying for kings and rulers? Why didn't He do this? Because he was doing that.
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Waiting on him
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Because Jesus didn't pray for the entire world, how does this mean to you that Jesus wasn't in glory with the Father before the world was?
Or actually you said He was, but not in the way I think. What way do you think it was? Like, really, true? Or some flowery speech for something else, but not a "real" sharing glory?
Like, I shared a pot of coffee with my wife . . . except she didn't have any because she wasn't there?
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Waiting on him
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The word world isn’t in reference to the cosmos. It’s in reference to non believing Jews of a previous era. The new age we a in at the present would be in reference here
John 3:16 KJV
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Waiting on him
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The father for the first time in human history imparted Himself too another. It all began with Jesus in the first century. The beginning of a new world, age. We are now part of this world.
Waiting on him
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Yes, the Greek kosmos is not about the stars in particular. At the basic level, its an "orderly arrangement". Various uses include jewelry and hair styles, and the establishment of humanity upon the earth.
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Waiting on him
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John 12:19 KJV
[19] The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.
John 18:20 KJV
[20] Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
John 7:4-6 KJV
[4] For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world. [5] For neither did his brethren believe in him. [6] Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
[19] The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.
John 18:20 KJV
[20] Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
John 7:4-6 KJV
[4] For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world. [5] For neither did his brethren believe in him. [6] Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
No, Jesus was not the "spiritual seed" of Abraham, but physical.
He was of Judah too.
We are the "spiritual seed" of Jesus.
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