I wish your church could tell you the truth, then you would believe it. Saul the pharisee could faultlessly obey the legalistic law, Paul said he could. So he could have been justified by obeying that law. So when Paul time and time again stresses the believer cannot be justified by obeying the law, he has to mean because of the moral law/ten commandments. If only you could see such an obvious truth. But sadly, unless your church tells you it is the truth you never will believe it
How to be Saved (Born-Again ) and JOIN the Family of God!!
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Blood bought said:
religion says do:
christianity says done:
the Bible says
Does the will of God:
Those who hear the Word of God and do it!
Ez 36:25-27
Matt 7:21
Matt 12:50
Mk 3:35
Lk 8:21
Lk 11:28
Jn 5:30
Jn7:17
Rom 12:2
Rev 17:7
Doer of the word
James 1:22-23
Keep my commandments:
Matt 28:20
Jn 14:21
Things we must do:
Matt 5:8
Jn 15:1-5
Lk 1:4
Acts 2:38
Must repent and do penance
Matt 3:2
Matt 3:8
Matt 4:17
Matt 9:13
Matt 16:24
Acts 2:38
Acts 3:19
Must believe and continue in a state of believing:
Jn3:16
Endure to the end:
Matt 24:13
Mark 13:13
Rev 2:26
Heb 3:14
Heb 6:11
Romans 11:22
Colossians 1:21-23
Hebrews 12:22-25
Hebrews 6:4
Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39
Hebrews 3:4-6
1 John 2:24-25
2 John 8-9
Galatians 5:2-4
2 Timothy 2:11-13
religion says do:
christianity says done:
the Bible says
Does the will of God:
Those who hear the Word of God and do it!
Ez 36:25-27
Matt 7:21
Matt 12:50
Mk 3:35
Lk 8:21
Lk 11:28
Jn 5:30
Jn7:17
Rom 12:2
Rev 17:7
Doer of the word
James 1:22-23
Keep my commandments:
Matt 28:20
Jn 14:21
Things we must do:
Matt 5:8
Jn 15:1-5
Lk 1:4
Acts 2:38
Must repent and do penance
Matt 3:2
Matt 3:8
Matt 4:17
Matt 9:13
Matt 16:24
Acts 2:38
Acts 3:19
Must believe and continue in a state of believing:
Jn3:16
Endure to the end:
Matt 24:13
Mark 13:13
Rev 2:26
Heb 3:14
Heb 6:11
Romans 11:22
Colossians 1:21-23
Hebrews 12:22-25
Hebrews 6:4
Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39
Hebrews 3:4-6
1 John 2:24-25
2 John 8-9
Galatians 5:2-4
2 Timothy 2:11-13
It ain’t “my” problem to “do do this” or “ don’t do that” ......God said that Anybody that “ ASKS” to be Saved “ WILL” be Saved.......
I *ASKED* to be Saved—- I did my part! Now , to put it crudely, the “monkey” is on God's back to perform HIS part.....I am confident that he will .....it’s as simple as that—- I TRUST Him.Completely. Although Ol’ BB is the True “ Chief Of Sinners”, That Trust I gave to God has given me Eternal Life , and SO MUCH MORE! Just another Promise of God that will be proven to be True—-“ The man that finds Life will find it by TRUSTING God”...Give God your Trust and He will give you all that other stuff that you worry about .....
murder? The lawful execution of justice by the state can never be called murder!
Example the good ole USA executed two communists Who were guilty of treason, and pope pius 12 argued for clemency!
the church has a duty from God to teach the truth and to condemn all error! The state alone executes justice, and heresy is treason against God’s word!
We are members of Christ in his grace and filled with his spirit!
All our actions are meritorious
1 Corinthians 12:26
And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
1 Peter 4:13
But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
Religion is what man owes to God for having created him in His image and likeness!
To Christ for having redeemed him in His own blood!
to the Holy Spirit for sanctifying him in the sacraments of holy mother church!
it only Christ by His grace (merits of His blood passion and death) that we are enabled and empowered to actually be holy and righteous and all our actions
if we live by the spirit we put to death the deeds of the flesh
my grace is sufficient for you
Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.
Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!
our participation is required
Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind (lacking) of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification)
Rev 12:17 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Jim B
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Galatians 2:15-17, "We are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners, yet we know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by the faithfulness of Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified."
Romans 3:24, "But they are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 2:16, "yet we know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by the faithfulness of Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified."
Titus 3:7, "And so, since we have been justified by his grace, we become heirs with the confident expectation of eternal life.”
Not a single mention of justification by baptism! Where does it say that in your Bible?
The woman in rev 12 is NOT Mary ... it is Israel
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
This same woman is seen at the final 3 1/2 yrs of the Tribulation...
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Jim B
Well-Known Member
Are you seriously claiming that the Catholic denomination hasn't murdered people? From the crusades through the inquisitions to the murdering of Native Americans, etc. throughout history, our denomination has murdered many, many people.
A single Pope arguing for clemency doesn't erase history!
its right in there!
obey Christ Mk 16:16
Grace and life come from baptism
Gal 3:27 in baptism we put on Christ
Eph 2 quickend Or given life
God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!
Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2
Born again! Born from above!
'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,
Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.
St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13
Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16
1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)
Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!
Effects of faith & baptism!
Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!
“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!
Faith and baptism!
Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!
“Faith alone”
Questions
where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?
1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?
Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?
Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is not found in scripture?
They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???
When we first believed we are saved?
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?
the dragon is satan
The child is Jesus
But the woman is not the child’s mother Mary?
Whatever!
the dragon is at war with the woman ref. Gen 3:15
Mary is his adversary and by her conception without sin God destroys his kingdom
Israel with satan killed Christ
where does it say the woman persecuted the child
our denomination? You’re catholic now?
there are no denominations only one true church Jn 10:16 eph 1:10 Jn 17:21
Jim B
Well-Known Member
This is all unScriptural nonsense!
As I have shown you before -- but you refuse to accept the truth... Revelation is a vision!
Revelation 12:1-6, "Then a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and with the moon under her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was screaming in labor pains, struggling to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: a huge red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadem crowns. Now the dragon’s tail swept away a third of the stars in heaven and hurled them to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born. So the woman gave birth to a son, a male child, who is going to rule over all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was suddenly caught up to God and to his throne, and she fled into the wilderness where a place had been prepared for her by God, so she could be taken care of for 1,260 days."
Mary was never clothed with the sun, and with the moon under her feet, and she never had a crown of twelve stars. Where does it say that in any gospel?
"Now the dragon’s tail swept away a third of the stars in heaven and hurled them to the earth." This also doesn't appear anywhere in the Bible other than John's vision.
"Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born." Did Luke forget to mention this?
"... she fled into the wilderness where a place had been prepared for her by God, so she could be taken care of for 1,260 days". This also isn't mentioned anywhere in the Gospels. So either Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John himself forgot to mention the above or they never happened in reality.
I'm certain that God will punish you for your constant anti-Semitic lie: "Israel with satan killed Christ". The Roman soldiers killed Christ!!!
Ok so MARY is still alive in the flesh, and will flee into the wilderness during the final 3 1/2 yrs...
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
-whew
yes the Roman’s physically killed Christ but the Jews consented to his death
so the salvation is not real either?
Just a vision of salvation
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