The Insanity of the "right" to have guns!

[Ronald David Bruno]

"Previous research has found little evidence of a connection between violent video games and real-life violence

I am 66 and when I was a kid, I watched violent movies, cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians, wars, but I did not interact/participate in them. It wasn't me doing the killing. Today, they are killing people fir fun.
How this
said research can say that this does not have a psychological affect on kids nor does it devalue the sanctity of life nor teach immorality, is beyond me.

mental illness and/or easy access to guns, are more likely explanations for mass shootings."

Right. Parents who own guns should have them locked up and face penalites for such negligence if their sons gain access and commit a crime .
Mental illness that leads to murder is behavioral. Criminals get off pleading mental illness or insanity as if it was not their fault. I don't agree with these laws. One is mentally disturbed/sick, who murders others. The twinkie defense can't work, nor should any said biological excuse be made. Murder is murder. Shall we just charge normal responsible people only. Wasn't Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy just normal, responsible neighbors who had a job and a friendly smile? It is a spiritual war inside they have been defeated by more than a biological one.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Just a joke

Well, in case you missed it, I'll explain the significance of the no-go zones in London. Those who advocate for gun control, claim that average citizens have no reason to protect themselves because that is now the role of the police. But what happens, as in the case of Portland Oregon, when the police "stand down" and watch while innocent citizens are harmed and personal property is destroyed?

Or do you care?

 

[Jim B]

The Trump haters are a funny group.

I use to tell people that doing drugs will get you nowhere.....I cannot say that anymore, Biden and his son and the vice president are druggies. Biden and his son are child molesters and they are both traitors to this country....and they all give a thumb's up for murdering 600,000 babies a year....

This is so far beyond the truth! May God have mercy on your lying, Satanic soul!

 

[Naomanos]

How this
said research can say that this does not have a psychological affect on kids nor does it devalue the sanctity of life nor teach immorality, is beyond me.

Simple, the parents, like I did with my own kids, teach them the difference between make believe and reality. A game like CoD is make believe, no matter how historically accurate it may or may not be. You teach them that real guns kill real people. That a real gun is no toy and it is not a play thing as I did with my own children. You teach them to respect firearms and the damage that they do. You teach them murder is wrong. That mass shootings are wrong.

It's not hard to teach kids these things as I have taught my own.

I will admit that there is the odd duck where none of this matters. They have mental instability and it doesn't matter how much you do what I said above, they are still mentally disturbed. Most kids aren't like this though. You have to know your kid.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Well, in case you missed it, I'll explain the significance of the no-go zones in London. Those who advocate for gun control, claim that average citizens have no reason to protect themselves because that is now the role of the police. But what happens, as in the case of Portland Oregon, when the police "stand down" and watch while innocent citizens are harmed and personal property is destroyed?

Or do you care?

I am of the very strong opinion that my Protector is the Lord God THE ALMIGHTY.

No human reasoning and arguments will ever change this in my heart and mind

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

So theres 2 issues concerning the 2nd amendment as i see it.
1. Everytime there is some sort of mass shooting, gun sales skyrocket for a couple of weeks. Why? Because everyone knows the govt wants to ban sporting rifles. Do you really believe the people who buy those guns would just happily give those guns up just because big govt said so? No, they wont.

2. the purpose of the 2nd amendment comes down to self defense, even against our own govt. clearly our ancestors had no problem killing tyrannical leaders. Yet in todays times, it seems people think the 2nd amendment is only about hunting. Im not sure what happened but it seems a portion of our society believe killing in the name of freedom is bad. Why? I have no idea, yet this seems to be where the disconnect comes from between the right and the left. Basically, our Founders believed that the end justifies the means. Do they? Your answer will determine which side of the fence you’re on, politically.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

we have elections for this!

I cannot stand the LYING THUG Boris Johnson, but cannot condone anyone storming Number 10 to remove him. It is not how things are done!

im glad our Founders didnt believe as you do. They were made of sterner stuff.

 

[Pierac]

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These MASS murders, and MANY more that we see on a regular basis, shows that it is both UNBIBLICAL and UNCHRISTIAN for anyone, especially if the are followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, to own any form of weapon!

The US Constitution that allows for this is VERY WRONG!

As it has already been pointed out....
Luk 22:36 And He (JESUS) said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. Jesus is telling them/you to sell the clothes off your back and buy a Sword and/or AR15...

Let's see this in action... and how Jesus deals with the issue!!!

Joh 18:10 Simon Peter then, having a sword, (as Jesus commanded) drew it and struck the high priest's slave, and cut off his right ear; and the slave's name was Malchus.

No different than saying Peter pulled out his AR15 and shot the Ear off Malchus!!!

Now.... what you don't truly understand is how that affected Malchus.... Depending on which Bible you read Malchus was a Servant or Slave of the high Priest... Think of it more as an willing Servant or Slave a person using this to advance their placement in life...

When Peter took off his man's ear.... His future was over!!! It would have been better for Peter to just stab him in the heart and far as Malchus was concerned! Because once Malchus's ear hit the ground... He was no longer allowed to serve in the Temple... AS... No deformed or non-perfect persons were allowed to serve in the Temple! Peter destroyed this man's life with out a killing blow!!!

Then, Jesus restored Malchus... Now note.... Malchus has been restored by the very Person His beloved master wants dead! The very same Jesus he came to capture for his death... Restored His life! Think of the internal conflict at that moment!!!

My bet is Malchus... became a Christian at Pentecost when the very Peter whom took off his ear preached at the Temple? But who knows???

If it was true like you say.... "that it is both UNBIBLICAL and UNCHRISTIAN for anyone, especially if the are followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, to own any form of weapon!" Then why did Peter have a weapon!!!!

Silly Child,
Paul

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

As it has already been pointed out....
Luk 22:36 And He (JESUS) said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. Jesus is telling them/you to sell the clothes off your back and buy a Sword and/or AR15...

Let's see this in action... and how Jesus deals with the issue!!!

Joh 18:10 Simon Peter then, having a sword, (as Jesus commanded) drew it and struck the high priest's slave, and cut off his right ear; and the slave's name was Malchus.

No different than saying Peter pulled out his AR15 and shot the Ear off Malchus!!!

Now.... what you don't truly understand is how that affected Malchus.... Depending on which Bible you read Malchus was a Servant or Slave of the high Priest... Think of it more as an willing Servant or Slave a person using this to advance their placement in life...

When Peter took off his man's ear.... His future was over!!! It would have been better for Peter to just stab him in the heart and far as Malchus was concerned! Because once Malchus's ear hit the ground... He was no longer allowed to serve in the Temple... AS... No deformed or non-perfect persons were allowed to serve in the Temple! Peter destroyed this man's life with out a killing blow!!!

Then, Jesus restored Malchus... Now note.... Malchus has been restored by the very Person His beloved master wants dead! The very same Jesus he came to capture for his death... Restored His life! Think of the internal conflict at that moment!!!

My bet is Malchus... became a Christian at Pentecost when the very Peter whom took off his ear preached at the Temple? But who knows???

If it was true like you say.... "that it is both UNBIBLICAL and UNCHRISTIAN for anyone, especially if the are followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, to own any form of weapon!" Then why did Peter have a weapon!!!!

Silly Child,
Paul

The Church Age started in the Book of Acts. Show just ONE verse where the Christians are told to take up weapons to defend themselves?

The persecution that the early Christians suffered was in the extreme, yet there is no evidence that they ever fought back using swords or anything else

So you are the little silly child

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

"It is not lawful for a Christian to bear arms for any earthly consideration.” – Marcellus ~298 AD

“Under no circumstances should a true Christian draw the sword.” – Tertullian 155–230 AD

“God wished iron to be used for the cultivation of the earth, and therefore it should not be used to take human life.” – Cyprian ~250 AD

“The servants of God do not rely for their protection on material defenses but on the pine Providence.” – Ambrose 338–397 AD

 

[Pierac]

The Church Age started in the Book of Acts. Show just ONE verse where the Christians are told to take up weapons to defend themselves?

The persecution that the early Christians suffered was in the extreme, yet there is no evidence that they ever fought back using swords or anything else

So you are the little silly child

Really... So The Church Age started in the Book of Acts? Show me how you came to this conclusion?

Is that what comes to mind when you hear the word Ekklesia, do you get the same mental image when you hear the word Church? What is this Ekklesia? What is the church? What do these words really mean? Word study’s define Ekklesia as…

fem. noun from ékklētos (n.f.), called out, which is from ekkaléō (n.f.), to call out. It was a common term for a congregation of the ekklētoí (n.f.), the called people, or those called out or assembled in the public affairs of a free state, the body of free citizens called together by a herald (kḗrux ) In the NT, the word is applied to the congregation of the people of Israel (Act_7:38). The Christian community was designated for the first time as the ekklēsía to differentiate it from the Jewish community, sunagōgḗ. In the Christian sense, an assembly of Christians, generally.

Is this definition of Ekklesia what you think of when you hear the word church? When modern translators of the New Testament meet with the Greek word Ekklesia, they simply translate it with the English word “church.” However, there is nothing in the New Testament to justify such usage. Since the word Ekklesia means “congregation” or “assemblage” of people, whether it be secular or religious. In one place Ekklesia is rendered “assembly” to indicate an unruly crowd of people as noted in (Acts 19:32). You can look at the several modern usages of the word “church” today and see how historical and theological shifts have entered in to the Christian community to change the whole meaning of the word. Let’s look at a sentence in which today’s use of the word “church” is used in various modern ways.

There is no human or angelic authority between the individual Christian today and the Father Himself in the administration of the Christian Ekklesia other than Christ Jesus. It is only when people refuse to exercise their right that develops confusion over where the true Ekklesia is. No one (no matter if he be the most important person on earth or the highest angel in God’s divine government) has the authority of standing between any individual Christian and the Father of the universe. Only Christ has that single mediatorial authority. Too many people place human mediators between themselves and God the Father. If they allow a person such as a pastor in that position or relationship (besides Jesus), the intimacy the Father established between Himself and His children has been ruined.

Try harder and buy a Gun...
Paul

 

[Jim B]

I'd just as soon have a society without offensive weapons of any kind. But people will always find a way to fashion one. And think the time for practical eradication of firearms, both politically and logistically, is long gone. I also think that, while regarding people's free speech, Christians could make much better use of their time than debating such matters, simply IMO, tho. I imagine somebody'll blow up now - lol.

You wrote, "I also think that, while regarding people's free speech, Christians could make much better use of their time than debating such matters". This doesn't apply to you of course, only others, correct?

 

[Jim B]

I heard the newest Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson said it means that we have the Constitutional right to roll up our sleeves. I guess those crazy gun nuts have been distorting what it means all along.

If this is supposed to be funny it isn't. Clearly you wouldn't say this about a white person or a man. It's a sick, racist attempt at "humor".

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Really... So The Church Age started in the Book of Acts? Show me how you came to this conclusion?

Is that what comes to mind when you hear the word Ekklesia, do you get the same mental image when you hear the word Church? What is this Ekklesia? What is the church? What do these words really mean? Word study’s define Ekklesia as…

fem. noun from ékklētos (n.f.), called out, which is from ekkaléō (n.f.), to call out. It was a common term for a congregation of the ekklētoí (n.f.), the called people, or those called out or assembled in the public affairs of a free state, the body of free citizens called together by a herald (kḗrux ) In the NT, the word is applied to the congregation of the people of Israel (Act_7:38). The Christian community was designated for the first time as the ekklēsía to differentiate it from the Jewish community, sunagōgḗ. In the Christian sense, an assembly of Christians, generally.

Is this definition of Ekklesia what you think of when you hear the word church? When modern translators of the New Testament meet with the Greek word Ekklesia, they simply translate it with the English word “church.” However, there is nothing in the New Testament to justify such usage. Since the word Ekklesia means “congregation” or “assemblage” of people, whether it be secular or religious. In one place Ekklesia is rendered “assembly” to indicate an unruly crowd of people as noted in (Acts 19:32). You can look at the several modern usages of the word “church” today and see how historical and theological shifts have entered in to the Christian community to change the whole meaning of the word. Let’s look at a sentence in which today’s use of the word “church” is used in various modern ways.

There is no human or angelic authority between the individual Christian today and the Father Himself in the administration of the Christian Ekklesia other than Christ Jesus. It is only when people refuse to exercise their right that develops confusion over where the true Ekklesia is. No one (no matter if he be the most important person on earth or the highest angel in God’s divine government) has the authority of standing between any individual Christian and the Father of the universe. Only Christ has that single mediatorial authority. Too many people place human mediators between themselves and God the Father. If they allow a person such as a pastor in that position or relationship (besides Jesus), the intimacy the Father established between Himself and His children has been ruined.

Try harder and buy a Gun...
Paul

If you don't know the the Christian Church was founded in the Book of Acts, then you have much to learn

 

[Pierac]

If you don't know the the Christian Church was founded in the Book of Acts, then you have much to learn

You don't know following Jesus' teaching about getting armed... then you have much to learn...

Woman Legally Carrying Gun Fatally Shoots Man Who Fired AR-15 Into Crowd | iHeart

How many lives did this woman save??? How many would you have saved???

Silly Child.... This woman gets a crown of Gold from Jesus himself!!!

Paul

 

[Jim B]

I am disturbed a bit by your accusation that I am twisting something. Surely, those who are having a discussion about a fundamental reality of our existence have two ways to proceed. We can either embrace nuance and make important and significant distinctions, or we can talk in platitudes and generalities.

The fundamental truth behind my argument comes from a quotation written by one of our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson. ""When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

Our impression of Australia, given your current state of affairs is that the people fear the government and consequently, there is tyranny in Australia.

Our Second Amendment is intended to protect the individual person from tyranny. Because Americans are well armed and because they have demonstrated their resolve to use these arms against their own government when necessary, our government fears the people.

At the moment, our resolve is fading.

Our Second Amendment is intended to protect the individual person from tyranny. Because Americans are well armed and because they have demonstrated their resolve to use these arms against their own government when necessary, our government fears the people.

The clear purpose of the Second Amendment is the security of a free state. It is a distortion to claim that is intended to protect the individual person from tyranny.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"We have not found any evidence that Thomas Jefferson said or wrote, "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny," nor any evidence that he wrote its listed variations." Source: Monticello.org That is simply another lie that clearly shows that you and others never do any research. You just accept whatever lie "proves" your predetermined "truth".

 

[BarneyFife]

I agree with your first two points. Those are great points and a good solution. However, I do not agree with the video game aspect.

"Previous research has found little evidence of a connection between violent video games and real-life violence.

The possible link is often brought up after mass shootings where perpetrators had an interest in violent video games.

But some experts suggest that other factors, such as mental illness and/or easy access to guns, are more likely explanations for mass shootings."

Found here: No Evidence Violent Video Games Lead to Real Violence: Study | Health News | US News

What can be linked is that those kids that do have higher aggression can and do play violent video games. I will agree with that, but it doesn't make kids more violent. If that were the case, we would have a lot more mass shootings than we do.

This "research" was done by this organization which, by it's own admission:

The Journal of Economic Behavior and Organization is devoted to theoretical and empirical research concerning economic decision, organization and behavior and to economic change in all its aspects.
(bold print not added)

There is an immense, entertainment-driven, financial juggernaut behind the "science" of these newer studies. Someone is always finding some possibility of some flavor of bias tainting the results of even neutral findings.

But the truth is, sinful nature and genetics load the gun and environmental stimuli pull the trigger on aggression. There was a time when psychologists fully acknowledged this, but now most of them are absorbed in, and sympathetic to the entertainment culture, themselves.

By beholding, we become changed.

But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord. (2 Corinthians 3:18)

When we, with unveiled face, behold as in a mirror the malignity of Satanic influences, we are transformed into the same image from malignity to malignity, just as by the spirits of devils.

 

[Jim B]

Agreed. She is compromised, foolish, and ignorant and willing to take an honored seat as payment for her loyalty to the cabal.

More racist, sexist lies!

 

[Jim B]

Liberty is based in truth, not subterfuge.

Such secondary purposes for private ownership do not replace the primary purpose, which distinguishes a subject from a citizen.

Subjects fear their government. In a republic, God-given rights are recognized - such as the right to life and liberty and the right to protect that life and liberty to the death. Therefore, in such God-centered governments, government fears the citizenry.

There are 3 boxes upon which liberty stands against those who confuse being our servants with our masters.

1. voting
2. jury
3. cartridge

Why do you find it necessary to twist words? The Declaration of Independence says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It does not say "the right to life and liberty and the right to protect that life and liberty to the death."

Liberty is based in truth, not lies and distortion!

 

[Jim B]

The Trump haters are a funny group.

I use to tell people that doing drugs will get you nowhere.....I cannot say that anymore, Biden and his son and the vice president are druggies. Biden and his son are child molesters and they are both traitors to this country....and they all give a thumb's up for murdering 600,000 babies a year....

Obviously you're filled with hate. No rational person would write lies like this.