Faith-based tattoo: as a result of one, did you ever talk with someone? (Poll included)

[BarneyFife]

No, the NT commands are for obedience.

But when people say that teaching the ten commandments as something Christians are subject to is putting someone 'under the law,' aren't they just saying we don't have to obey them? So what does 'for obedience' mean? And how is being obedient to NT commands not being 'under' a 'law,' then? And why aren't the ten commandments considered 'for obedience?' Aren't we really just conflating terms here?

I've literally watched this resistance to keeping the ten commandments grow like wildfire over the last 30+ years. 50 years ago, it was practically unheard of in the more conservative mainstream denominations and churches. I was there. I saw the whole thing play out. Eyewitness

And, again, Christianity today will pull anything they want to from the Old Testament to support their various agendas.

Buffet dining at the Bible table... Right this way, please.

Not to gain righteousness, or add righteousness or enhance our salvation etc.etc.etc.

Which is why I said this:

BTW, the ten commandments were never designed to save anyone, so that straw man argument is in the circular file.

The only claims to righteousness by keeping any commands are made by those who suspect everyone who talks about the importance of being obedient as being legalistic. This is, without a doubt, a mind-numbingly, almost universal truth.

we live in them to show we are righteous through the new life!

I know the command are for us to live by to show we have been made righteous.

Uh-huh. You've said that twice now, and you're kinda preaching to the choir. Except that the only reason I advocate and endeavor to keep the ten commandments (along with NT commands) is that the Holy Spirit compels me to obey God's Word. Display of righteousness has absolutely nothing to do with it for me. That's Pharisee stuff.

There is a huge difference between people doing works to be righteous and those doing works because they are righteous through the blood Jesus shed.

Once again...

If we were to take this fully literally- Braids and hairdos, jewelry (even an engagement ring), and clothing of any other but the most basic sort is forbidden. But both apostles are contrasting a material and worldly way a woman seeks to highlight beauty versus how a godly woman should highlight her beauty.

So is there no place for modesty in Christian appearance?
Can we just appear any way we like?
Because things have been headed in that direction for some time now.

It is no sin to wear jewelry or have nice clothes if the heat is right in wearing them.

Did you ever consider how many starving kids a $3500 piece of jewelry could feed? What is sin?

James 2
15If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?

 

[farouk]

I don't know how she picked the tattoo artist.
I could almost guarantee a recommendation,,but not sure.

@GodsGrace Before the actual moment when the machine finally started injecting the ink, it was probably a combination of another tattooee's satisfied recommendation plus your London friend's checking out and receiving quotes from 2 or 3 artists before she felt "ready" with the comfort level to proceed.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So is there no place for modesty in Christian appearance?
Can we just appear any way we like?
Because things have been headed in that direction for some time now.

I never said this. I believe in modest apparel, but there is no hard fast rule what is modest. In Pauls day it was clothed head to toe.

but though th ewolrd is headed in a direction does not mean the church has to. I do not know a biblical rule for modesty, but my natural man can discern immodesty.

What does all this have to do with tattoos anyhow? This is a big rabbit trail we have fallen on. Lets get back to the OP . Why do you think tattoos are wrong?

 

[farouk]

I never said this. I believe in modest apparel, but there is no hard fast rule what is modest. In Pauls day it was clothed head to toe.

but though th ewolrd is headed in a direction does not mean the church has to. I do not know a biblical rule for modesty, but my natural man can discern immodesty.

What does all this have to do with tattoos anyhow? This is a big rabbit trail we have fallen on. Lets get back to the OP . Why do you think tattoos are wrong?

@Ronald Nolette I think - 2 c - there may also be a pragmatic consideration:

Since all the young ppl with whom I have spoken with Bible verses tattooed have seemingly received them as witness tools,

and....

Since faith based tattoos do function as effective conversation-starters or even as silent witnesses;

Then it seems hard to condemn all tattoos out of hand, when some earnest Christians have gotten them with a good motive in mind and indeed use them in testimony.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

@Ronald Nolette I think - 2 c - there may also be a pragmatic consideration:

Since all the young ppl with whom I have spoken with Bible verses tattooed have seemingly received them as witness tools,

and....

Since faith based tattoos do function as effective conversation-starters or even as silent witnesses;

Then it seems hard to condemn all tattoos out of hand, when some earnest Christians have gotten them with a good motive in mind and indeed use them in testimony.

I won't condemn any out of hand unless they clearly cross the lines of biblical sanity! As long as it is not demonic, lewd or antichristian, I see no problmes with people even decorating their bodies with loads of tattoo art. Like I said it is not for me, but they have to live with it.

 

[BarneyFife]

Why do you think tattoos are wrong?

What I think about them doesn't matter!

I could burn John 3:16 into my lawn, but I might get locked up by the local authorities, even though the verse is sublimely beautiful! Perhaps I should just do it anyway since it might function as a witnessing tool or effective conversation-starters or even as a silent witness?!

Why do you care about what I think of the morality of tattoos?!

 

[farouk]

@William00 FYI.....thread I started.......(sorry the poll expired already....)

 

[farouk]

Surprised? No.

@Taken Seems to be associated with when young ppl get to a certain age, anyway...

 

[Taken]

@Taken Seems to be associated with when young ppl get to a certain age, anyway...

Have to say, there are plenty of OLDER, especially females, who seem to think copying younger women, tatting, baring skin, is appealing. YIKES.

 

[farouk]

Have to say, there are plenty of OLDER, especially females, who seem to think copying younger women, tatting, baring skin, is appealing. YIKES.

@Taken You may have a point there, demographically.

This is something that Heavenhome mentioned in one of her posts:

Heavenhome said:

My dear Dad had two tattoos but that was from his navy days.
I have noticed however that lots of young girls have them and what is really noticeable is a huge amount are women say around their sixties .

christianforums

 

[Taken]

@Taken You may have a point there, demographically.

This is something that Heavenhome mentioned in one of her posts:

Heavenhome said:.....

Yes, that is what I was talking about...ain’t pretty.

 

[farouk]

Yes, that is what I was talking about...ain’t pretty.

@Taken Without doubt, I'm sure this may be true in some cases; ppl would say, I guess, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Seems also that military wives are a demographic which is especially likely to be tattooed; I saw a quote about this also.

Often military family members might have tattoos with faith, patriotic or family themes.

 

[Taken]

@Taken Without doubt, I'm sure this may be true in some cases; ppl would say, I guess, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Seems also that military wives are a demographic which is especially likely to be tattooed; I saw a quote about this also.

Often military family members might have tattoos with faith, patriotic or family themes.

Could be military wife’s tat because their military husbands do, IDK.
I would suspect individuals decide to tat for umpteen reasons.

 

[farouk]

Could be military wife’s tat because their military husbands do, IDK.
I would suspect individuals decide to tat for umpteen reasons.

@Taken

Here is the quote I referred to about military spouses:

GillDouglas said:

My wife has talked about this possibility, but she has said she'd have a hard time deciding what to put permanently on her body. She has been urged by other military spouses to get one.

christianforums dot com

Such is the strong sense of solidarity among military families that it seems that a significant proportion of military spouses do indeed feel a strong urge to get inked in some way commemorating who they are as military family members, anyway.

 

[Taken]

@Taken

Here is the quote I referred to about military spouses:

GillDouglas said:

christianforums dot com

Such is the strong sense of solidarity among military families that it seems that a significant proportion of military spouses do indeed feel a strong urge to get inked in some way commemorating who they are as military family members, anyway.

Personally I think it questionable to try and urge or talking an other into making a permanent alteration to ones body.
I would guess there have been many a drunk and high on drugs persons getting tats they would not have sober.

 

[farouk]

Personally I think it questionable to try and urge or talking an other into making a permanent alteration to ones body.
I would guess there have been many a drunk and high on drugs persons getting tats they would not have sober.

@Taken Oh, I agree.....

This doesn't cancel the strong sense of solidarity among military spouses, mind you....which likely lies behind the strong motivation to get military family commemorating inkings (which seems to be what the above quote is about...).

 

[farouk]

@Dropship FYI......thread I started.....(sorry the poll already expired....)

 

[farouk]

@Dropship PS: Not everyone's cup of tea, of course (a good expression there for you guys in England......)

 

[Taken]

@Taken Oh, I agree.....

This doesn't cancel the strong sense of solidarity among military spouses, mind you....which likely lies behind the strong motivation to get military family commemorating inkings (which seems to be what the above quote is about...).

Nope doesn’t cancel, just noting.

 

[farouk]

Nope doesn’t cancel, just noting.

@Taken My guess is that some military spouses so strongly identify with their status as military families that they might even be baffled why another military spouse would not want a tattoo to commemorate it.....

(But yes, pressurizing others for a tattoo is not appropriate; I agree.)