Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John

[Johann]

You are in the wrong chat board.

I’m sure there’s a forum out there somewhere where you can discuss the intricacies of ancient languages.

But This is a Bible chat board.

There's no "chat board" here last time I checked but for sinless ones such as yourself and the Genitive of possession debunks your claim.
You have two options, report me or ignore me.
This is no idle threat, next time you are trolling me on ignore you will go.


Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

J.

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes there is no need to make things personal we should be able to discuss and defend our beliefs with gentleness, respect and patience.

1 Peter 3:15
but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect

Colossians 4:6
Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

Ephesians 4:29
Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the one in need and bringing grace to those who listen.

 

[Johann]

Yes there is no need to make things personal we should be able to discuss and defend our beliefs with gentleness, respect and patience.

1 Peter 3:15
but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect

Colossians 4:6
Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

Not when it comes to promulgating a heteros gospel, a sinless perfection gospel.

Tit_1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;


Sharply (ἀποτόμως)
Only here and 2Co_13:10 (note). Paul has ἀποτομία severity, Rom_11:22 (note). lxx, ἀποτόμως severely, only Wisd. 5:22; ἀποτόμος severe (not in N.T.), Wisd. 5:20; 11:10; 12:9. From ἀποτέμνειν to cut off. It signifies abrupt, harsh, summary dealing.

Yes?
J.

 

[ChristisGod]

Not when it comes to promulgating a heteros gospel, a sinless perfection gospel.

Tit_1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;


Sharply (ἀποτόμως)
Only here and 2Co_13:10 (note). Paul has ἀποτομία severity, Rom_11:22 (note). lxx, ἀποτόμως severely, only Wisd. 5:22; ἀποτόμος severe (not in N.T.), Wisd. 5:20; 11:10; 12:9. From ἀποτέμνειν to cut off. It signifies abrupt, harsh, summary dealing.

Yes?
J.

I have yet to see anyone affirm " sinless perfection "

Can you quote anyone who affirms it ?

 

[Johann]

Yes there is no need to make things personal we should be able to discuss and defend our beliefs with gentleness, respect and patience.

1 Peter 3:15
but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect

Colossians 4:6
Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

Ephesians 4:29
Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the one in need and bringing grace to those who listen.

I have yet to see anyone affirm " sinless perfection "

Can you quote anyone who affirms it ?

Michiah-Imla
For starters, there are about six I have encountered, and you don't know.
J.

 

[ChristisGod]

, and you don't know.
J.

What does this mean:

and you don't know. J. ?

 

[Johann]

Yes there is no need to make things personal we should be able to discuss and defend our beliefs with gentleness, respect and patience.

1 Peter 3:15
but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect

Colossians 4:6
Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

Ephesians 4:29
Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the one in need and bringing grace to those who listen.

If this was a Baptist Church I would have agreed, this is the Internet.
J.

 

[Johann]

What does this mean:

and you don't know. J. ?

Know about members who hold to sinless perfection already attained in this life.
J.

 

[ChristisGod]

If this was a Baptist Church I would have agreed, this is the Internet.
J.

What difference does it make where one is ?

Is truth absolute or is it relative ?

 

[Johann]

What difference does it make where one is ?

Is truth absolute or is it relative ?

Let me put it to you this way.
If I had children I would caution them to go to online Christian forums and that includes Facebook.
It was a mistake on my part to be here.
J.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

This is a wonderful post, one of the best I have read in a long time. If I recall, you are going into teaching and/or ministry. Is that correct? Regardless, you are clearly blessed.

Finally, pay no attention to crackpots like savedbygrace1 and Christophany. They have less than 1% of your wisdom and maturity in Christ.

You can take @Christophany off that list. He's getting on the same page. Praise God.

And yes, I teach pastors. They are the ones with a platform. But I also write books.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

the Genitive of possession debunks your claim

What else does the “genitive possession” debunk in the Bible?

You are meddling in things beyond your pay grade.

The plain translated scriptures convict you.

Try the “genitive possession” mumbo jumbo when you stand before God and see who it works out for you…

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Notice that Peter says "knowledge" of Christ, meaning they are not actually saved, but have only become aware of what can be gained or lost, yet they have not yet attained it.

So, then, his counsel is for those who have been called but not chosen, not yet reborn of the Spirit.

It is good counsel, but is not directed to those who have already irrevocably entered into Christ.

If they had not attained it then they are still good for repentance in the future. But not the guy Peter was talking about.

 

[Johann]

What else does the “genitive possession” debunk in the Bible?

You are meddling in things beyond your pay grade.

The plain translated scriptures convict you.

Try the “genitive possession” mumbo jumbo when you stand before God and see who it works out for you…

..and here comes the ugly, well hidden, side.
Correct you are, it is appointed once for man to die and after that the judgement.
You won't be judged since you are sinless.
J.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Let me put it to you this way.
If I had children I would caution them to go to online Christian forums

I wouldn’t.

I’d tell them to read the King James Bible every day at every portion of the day to be ready to go online and:

“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” (2 Timothy 4:2-4)

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Many Christians who are even worldly or new to the faith know that the JW's, and Mormons, etcetera are not saved. The issue comes down to knowing about the right Scripture verses.

God reveals Himself as triune or as a Trinity.
The King James Bible uses the word Godhead (Meaning Trinity).

1 John 5:7 (KJB) says “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”​

They don't believe that verse; Nor do they believe the three occurrences of the word Godhead means Trinity (Which fits the context). Jesus is GOD, and they deny this obvious fact in Scripture. They deny the personhood and deity of the Holy Spirit, as well. The Bible makes it clear you cannot worship false gods. To not worship the Trinity or the Godhead as revealed in Scripture is to worship a false god of one's own imagining. They also deny the bodily resurrection. Read 1 Corinthians 15 again. You cannot deny the bodily resurrection and be saved according to this chapter.



Yes, the RCC (Roman Catholic Church) has many errors. So does the JW church. Really. Just Google the false beliefs of JW's and read about 25 to 30 articles or so why Christians regard them as non-Christian. They don't worship the same God as Christians do. Christians believe in the Trinity. JW's don't believe in the Trinity. JW's deny bodily resurrection. So these are not small or light matters that they are rejecting. Do you have a friend or family member who is JW? If so, you should not let personal feelings overrule what the Bible says on this matter, sister. It's clearly obvious JW's are not Christian. This shouldn't really be even debatable unless you believe those who reject of the Trinity and the bodily resurrection are saved. If so... you need some solid biblical evidence to prove your case.

When you meet them, treat them with respect, but talk to them. They love to talk. See what you have in common and start there. Then teach them. That is what I've done. They haven't been around for a while. I may have been black-listed. Some Christians hate them so much they slam the door in their face as soon as they open the door.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You won't be judged since you are sinless.

So you deny that Christ came to TAKE AWAY sin?

What did he do then, come to provide a cloak for it?

What says the “genitive possession” genie?

 

[ChristisGod]

Let me put it to you this way.
If I had children I would caution them to go to online Christian forums and that includes Facebook.
It was a mistake on my part to be here.
J.

is a mistake a sin ?

is doing the thing you know to do and not doing is a sin ?

James 4:17
Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it.

 

[Johann]

So you deny that Christ came to TAKE AWAY sin?

What did he do then, come to provide a cloak for it?

What says the “genitive possession” genie?

..from being ugly, cantankerous to that of sarcasm.
Can you tame your tongue?
J.

 

[Johann]

is a mistake a sin ?

is doing the thing you know to do and not doing is a sin ?

James 4:17
Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it.

1Jn 4:1 Chaverim, do not believe every ruach. [YIRMEYAH 29:8] But test the ruchot (spirits), if they be of Hashem, because many nevi'ei sheker have gone out into the Olam Hazeh.
OJB


Jer 29:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
Jer 29:9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.

J.