So, if it was God that taught you, why don't you use Scriptures?
Since there is a tendency to divorce the scriptures from the Christ.
J.
Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John
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Since there is a tendency to divorce the scriptures from the Christ.
J.
I noticed she neatly evaded your question by attacking Johnny Mac and you did not push her.
Interesting.
J.
Before conversion...the wrath of God abides on all the unbelievers.
No such thing as BEFORE conversion...the believer...
J.
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man,.... That is, the devil, who is in, and works in the children of disobedience, whether under a profession of religion or not; whose hearts are unclean like himself, wherefore there he delights to dwell; and so the Ethiopic version renders it, "the evil demon": who may be said to go out of a man in appearance, when he outwardly reforms and takes up a profession of religion.
He walketh through dry places; or "a desert", as the Ethiopic version; to which the Gentile world is sometimes compared in the Old Testament Isa_35:1 whither Satan might go, being disturbed in Judea, through the many dispossessions by Christ; or rather leaving for a while the Scribes and Pharisees, who outwardly appeared righteous before men, he went to the Gentiles;
seeking rest, and finding none; being also made uneasy among them, through the preaching of the Gospel, which was sent unto them after Christ's resurrection; and not being able to keep his place in the hearts of men, nor do the mischief he was desirous of.
He saith, I will return unto my house, whence I came out; to the Jews again, who were blinded and filled with rage and enmity to the Gospel by him, and whom he instigated to persecute the apostles of Christ, and preachers of the word, wherever they came;
Gill
J.
Michiah-Imla
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It’s ok.
“Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” (Acts 2:27)
I have no issue with this passage.
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
This is the verse where Anderson said Christ went to Hell.
Your exegesis?
J.
Michiah-Imla
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1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
A problematic verse, nothing to do with our salvation though.
J.
Michiah-Imla
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Not a problem at all.
Christ preached to all the dead so that they could also be saved through the gospel as well. This includes all who died before the gospel was preached on earth.
Robert Gwin
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Humans are in fact flesh Mick, all humans even the ones Paul was speaking to the born again, sin every day. All of us Christians have our own personal thorns in the flesh, none of us are immune. Believe me if Paul who was personally selected and anointed by Jesus struggles with sin, how much harder is it for those of us who are not quite as zealous? Rom 7:18-25
How great it is to see those like you that are conscious of their spiritual need and do work hard to not walk after the lusts of the flesh. Mat 5:3
Michiah-Imla
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But humans who believe the gospel must do these things:
“…reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.” (Romans 6:11-12)
“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13)
You cite Romans 7 as if this is where Paul’s teaching ended. Knowing Paul’s full teaching it is obvious that your charge of Paul struggle with sin is completely false. This lie is repeated often by false teachers so much that many (who don’t frequently read their entire Bibles independently) easily fall into their net.
Robert Gwin
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I certainly salute you for being able to make it through this life sin free Chris, I am not able to say that, but more power to you.
Robert Gwin
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You started off accurately, and then went on to say you do not sin, more power to you as well
You started off accurately Taken, and then changed your mind, I salute you as well sir, more power to you in your no sin situation, as for me however I fully realize that is not going to happen, so I will have to rely on the blood sacrifice given in my behalf to put me in a good standing with Jehovah.
Robert Gwin
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I see Micky, I actually thought that is what you meant, but I responded upon what was written. I should have asked you to clarify that is what you meant, but only being here once a day, I felt it best not to delay, however it took the same amount of time to clarify anyway, so I should have asked sir, my apologies for not so doing.
Let not sin therefore reign] Here begins the direct moral appeal to the will. This till now has been either withheld, (while the Divine motive was being explained,) or made only indirectly, as in Rom_6:2; Rom_6:6, and Rom_3:31.—Notice how perfectly free and natural is the appeal to the will.
reign] This word implies sin’s presence still in the “mortal body” of the justified; a presence dwelt upon so fully in ch. 7, at the close. But they are to resist and subdue it, just because they are (1) judicially free from its claim, or doom; and (2) freed by a means, exactly such as to bring them into the “newness” of a “life unto God;” i.e. a totally new condition of connexion and intercourse with Him as the Father of their Head. Such a condition, in the nature of things, cannot be merely objective. It is objective as regards the acceptance of believers in the Risen Lord, and His intercessory life for them; but it must also inevitably be subjective on its other side, because the final cause of the objective position is the realization of a subjective spiritual state; namely, that of holiness and love before God.
The facts are expressly given in order to work upon the conscience and will. See further, Postscript, p. 268.
in your mortal body] See on “the body of sin,” Rom_6:6. Here the “mortality” is emphasized, because it marks the fact (see further on Rom_8:23) that the deliverance of the body is still incomplete, so that it is still a special field for the action of sin.
See below on Rom_7:24.
that ye should obey it, &c.] Better read, so as to obey the lusts thereof; i.e. of the body. This clause explains the word “reign.” Sin “reigns” when the will goes with solicitations to evil—as it does on the whole go, since the Fall, till Redemption gives it the motive power to resist and prevail.—“Lusts:” desires after evil, and away from God, of every kind; whether “sensual” or not. The most refined æstheticism may be as truly a “lust of the mortal body” as the grossest vice, if it perverts the will from holiness.
Yield (παραστήσατε)
Rev., present. The same word as before, but in a different tense. The present tense, be presenting, denotes the daily habit, the giving of the hand, the tongue, etc., to the service of sin as temptation appeals to each. Here the aorist, as in Rom_12:1, denotes an act of self-devotion once for all.
As those that are alive (ὡς ζῶντας)
The best texts read ὡσεί as if alive. This brings out more clearly the figurative character of the exhortation.
From the dead (ἐκ νεκρῶν)
Note the preposition out of. See on Luk_16:31
While you and I are in the body, we are not sinless, in word, thought and deed.
J.
Taken
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Repetition needed?
Earthly men are born in sin...disbelief.
Earthly men may choose to believe...warned to continue to their death.
Earthly men may choose to convert....can never again not believe.
Wrath of God will affect all upon the Earth...during Wrath from Heaven.
in disbelief,
in belief who did not convert. <<<—- belief before conversion
(Exception 144,000 Sealed)
man, oh man, on this forum there are so many different denominations, with so many different interpretations, a maize-ing
J.
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