Since Christ paid the price for our sins... and became our righteousness... how should we live for H

[Theodore A. Jones]

Liar... who's denying Jesus the glory He deserves and rejecting the salvation that's in Him alone... false teacher... false gospel...

It is true that Jesus Christ alone has perfected the Way for an individual to use whereby he might be declared righteous by God.
However it is also true that the way to use this Way to even have the chance to be declared righteous by God is only understood by a few people. What I suggest that you do as an act of comprehension is hold up one hand and look at its five fingers. Then begin subtracting one finger at a time. You will be getting closer to comprehending what He meant by the term "only a very few find it". Take another toke from your hooka or wise up, but you are running out of time.

 

[jiggyfly]

;)

And since he erased our past sins, we should go and sin no more! And put on his righteousness that we might be like him!

Oups! :lol: Love you brother!

How can we do this? What is our guide?
Anyone got an answer?

 

[Buzzfruit]

What should you be doing with your life?

What are you doing with your life?

Is there anything you're doing right now that you wish you weren't doing?

Is there anything you're not doing right now that you think you should be doing?

How did Jesus lived? If one knows the answer to that then they will know how we should be living and doing.

 

[Episkopos]

His grace is made manifest in our weakness and dependence on Him. We must continually choose to lay down our lives for Christ to be made manifest in us. We must carry our own cross daily.

 

[Prentis]

His grace is made manifest in our weakness and dependence on Him. We must continually choose to lay down our lives for Christ to be made manifest in us. We must carry our own cross daily.

Yes! Well said brother :)

We must decrease that he may increase.

 

[Robbie]

So His grace given by dieing on the cross for our sins and covering us in His blood is because of our weakness... so now we have to save ourselves by carrying our own cross and being perfect?

That's like saying.... I'm not good enough to do it so I have to do it...

Or... I couldn't even swallow a gnat... so I think now I'll try and swallow a camel... haha

Totally contradicting ideas.

Christ had to... because we couldn't... that's it... all glory to Him... none for you...

 

[Episkopos]

So His grace given by dieing on the cross for our sins and covering us in His blood is because of our weakness... so now we have to save ourselves by carrying our own cross and being perfect?

That's like saying.... I'm not good enough to do it so I have to do it...

Or... I couldn't even swallow a gnat... so I think now I'll try and swallow a camel... haha

Totally contradicting ideas.

Christ had to... because we couldn't... that's it... all glory to Him... none for you...

Christ is not doing the work for us. He works through us by empowering us to walk the same as He did on earth. Then we become as Paul, Peter, or any other saint. Not by our works, but through His powerful working of grace in us.

 

[aspen]

The emphasis on the dangers of relying on our own works for salvation in the NT is there because Paul was speaking to a Jewish audience! He wasn't tell us that we are prideful for wanting to participate in our sanctification! He was telling the Jewish people that there reliance on doctrine and rituals and ceremony had replaced the very thing it represented - love and participating in love. He was trying to jolt them out of there mechanical approach to God. Faith needed an equal place in their relationship with God.

The same audience today might be the pewsitting church member who is proud of his attendance record and all the important people he knows because he is such a good pewsitter and how he sits in the same pew as his greatgranddaddy - according to Paul, that guy needs to wake up and start placing his faith in Christ because all the things he thinks are important are actually killing him.

Calvin comes along with his 'total depravity' and reduces humanity to vegetables - even below the stature of Luther's "I am, but a worm" theology. This is so wrong and so damaging to our walk with Christ! It makes us second guess every thing we do and chastise ourselves for not slogging through life - giving Christ the glory when He ties our shoes through us! Give me a break!

We are the crown of God's creation - He wants to be in relationship with us - we are no longer servants or worms or vegetable, we are friends. Amen!

 

[Robbie]

Episkapos,

You say it's all Christ but then you contradict yourself by making it all about you...

You preach the most destructive of lies.

A bunch of my friends used to go to a church where the pastor preached just like you... and he had convinced everyone that he was living sinless... and that they could to... and because of the expectations of righteousness he put on himself he started hiding his sins instead of feeling free to confess them... eventually he cheated on his wife and a lot of my friends I knew lost their faith in God because the foundation of their faith was mans righteousness instead of Christ's.

It was typical to because the pastor was one of the most judgmental people I met... when I went to the service the guy pointed at me in the middle of church in front of all my friends and was like, "I know where you've been.. and I know what you've been doing... you haven't been living for God" haha... the guy must have assumed I was one of their friends they had just brought to church and after I let him know I had already known Jesus for awhile and actually worked at a church the guy looked humiliated. But my friends just defended him even though he acted like such a creep to me.

After the church broke up because of the pastor's adultery a bunch of my friends said sorry to me for them not acknowledging the way the guy treated me and for feeling like they were above me and judging me... I gave them all the same answer, "No worries... just make sure you don't let man's hypocrisy make you offended at Christ and hinder your relationship with the Father through Him "

Pride comes before the fall...

 

[Jake]

God has already told us He will keep us from sin:

1 Corinthians 10:13 ESV No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

People have faith that God will "keep us saved", the term isn't even the Bible, btw, yet they lack faith of God's ability to keep us from sinning when right there in the written Word, that is what it says.

Christ is the overcomer and we are dead, He is the One who is overcoming IN US. In order for this to work, we must be an active participant, by remaining in Him, have faith in Him and obey Him, otherwise it will be as John 15 teaches.

 

[Robbie]

OK Jake... so it's you not having any sin that is the reason you need your sins covered by His blood? haha

Once agian... it's Christ only died for the righteous... which is the exact opposite of the truth... He died for sinners... not for the righteous...

Do you not sin ever Jake?

 

[Jake]

Of course I have, yet now I know that God gives me a way out, when I am tempted, because that is what His written Word says.

 

[Robbie]

So now you don't sin anymore? ever?

Not even on the inside? I mean if you even lust after a girl you've already fornicated with her... and if you're married you've committed adultery...

 

[Jake]

So now you don't sin anymore? ever?

Not even on the inside? I mean if you even lust after a girl you've already fornicated with her... and if you're married you've committed adultery...

There is sin that we don't know about, and as God convicts and reveals those sins to us, we repent and don't do them anymore, and those sins become smaller and smaller.
It's a process and we are all maturing and being transformed into His image, from glory to glory.

As far as looking at females - well, I didn't say it was easy, but it is possible, with Christ, all things are possible with Him.

Here is a verse which has helped me with thoughts
2 Corinthians 10:4-5 take every thought captive into the obedience of Christ

 

[Robbie]

OK Jake... when you sin it's not your fault... haha... and that's why you're good enough to be saved... because Christ only died for people that have made themselves righteous... and make excuses for their sins that they didn't mean to do...

Christ's blood only covers sins that don't exist... or ones that were on accident...

I mean there's the thief on the cross... who simply said, "Remember me" and Christ said He would be with Him that day in paradise...

I mean that goes along with Christ saying it's about Him knowing you... but then there's the other gospel that says, "No.. it's not what He did... it's what you do"

I'll stick to the first one I heard... haha

 

[Jake]

OK Jake... when you sin it's not your fault... haha... and that's why you're good enough to be saved... because Christ only died for people that have made themselves righteous... and make excuses for their sins that they didn't mean to do...

Christ's blood only covers sins that don't exist... or ones that were on accident...

I mean there's the thief on the cross... who simply said, "Remember me" and Christ said He would be with Him that day in paradise...

I mean that goes along with Christ saying it's about Him knowing you... but then there's the other gospel that says, "No.. it's not what He did... it's what you do"

I'll stick to the first one I heard... haha

No, when I sin, it is most definitely my fault, that's why we repent, which means to turn away from it and not do it again.

Hey, I just thought I'd put out the verse that is in God's written Word that says He gives us a way out of temptation, to where we do not have to fall into the temptation and sin.

You can do with the verse whatever you want.

peace -

 

[Prentis]

OK Jake... when you sin it's not your fault... haha... and that's why you're good enough to be saved... because Christ only died for people that have made themselves righteous... and make excuses for their sins that they didn't mean to do...

Christ's blood only covers sins that don't exist... or ones that were on accident...

I mean there's the thief on the cross... who simply said, "Remember me" and Christ said He would be with Him that day in paradise...

I mean that goes along with Christ saying it's about Him knowing you... but then there's the other gospel that says, "No.. it's not what He did... it's what you do"

I'll stick to the first one I heard... haha

You are twisting Jake's word.

It is not about what you do. We are required to be righteous, to do what is right. On that level, there is atonement, the Publican is humble and thus forgiven.

But Christianity is about us dying and Christ living through us. If you are dead, can you still live your own life? The only way is that Christ lives through you, and Christ does not sin. This, of course, is not the experience of most Christians. But it is what John speaks of in 1 John.

When we fully surrender, Christ lives through us, and it is no longer us who lives, but Christ. When that happens, Christ is doing what Christ does, ministering and revealing.

When we are not walking at this level, we have to do what is right, love our neighbor, be humble, ask forgiveness, and seek to be conformed to Christ.

Might I add this is not my experience either. But I do not discount it because I have not seen it. The Lord can do all things, that includes living through us and LITERALLY making us slaves to his righteousness, as it says in Romans.

 

[Robbie]

No.. you're just contradicting yourself

You say that it's all about dying... and how you can't still live your own life

But then you say it's all about you surrendering which is bringing it all back to you I thought you were dead

You say it's about you being dead but really it's all about what you do...

Acts 15:10
Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


It's horrible that you preach a standard of righteousness that you admittedly haven't even lived up to yourself.

It's like convincing people to jump off a cliff without a parachute because if they flap their arms they can fly when you yourself have never flown by flapping your arms

 

[Jake]

There is no contradiction in what Prentis has said.

It's about surrendering our lives to Him, we all have a choice, you can either follow Him or follow yourself.

It is about dying to ourselves, we decrease, so He may increase, we pick up our cross daily, we do His will, not our own. It is about doing what He wants us to do, not about what we want.

It's about what Christ does through us, but we have to be willing to let Him do whatever it is He wants to do through us - that is surrendering.

 

[Robbie]

It's about me dying... because it's all about what I do hahahaha