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Is it ever ok to lie?
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Depending on personality....
Honey who cares about the dress? We know you are fat and lucky me, I have more of you to love.
You were honest to the Nazi soldiers.
Now your dead along with the Jews you were protecting...
Hypothetically
Well iv debunked everyone else who has said that. I can't be bothered doing it again just look back on our posts.
The Nazi example is a great one. Your actions would see the death of innocent people at the hands of evil ones just because you thought it was right to be truthful
BruiserMiller
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Your only just starting to scratch the surface.
In the Nazi example you would be dead along with other innocent people while aiding evil
True.
Our (or my) first reaction is that it's never ok to lie.
Satan is the father of lies after all.
But the subject requires a bit more thought and you have provided some valid reasoning.
Thanks for sharing
Gestapo - We're killing all Jews. Are you hiding any in your house?
You - Yes in my basement
Result - Dead Jews and dead you for hiding them. Evil wins
Human life is meant to know truth and so every human person deserves to know it.
But God takes care of that in the end. That's why I qualified my statement with " always". In court we give an oath. Then I've given the court the right to know what I know. I may be morally obligated to communicate truth. Genocidal Nazis don't deserve to know what I know. My moral obligation is to the Jewish lives and I may be obligated to not just lie but kill the Nazi soldiers if that ability is in my tool box.
ThePuffyBlob
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not sure if it's okay to lie but
there are lies in the bible that is made righteous i still don't really get it
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
when you lie you decieve right?
for now i will just do what i can
and the bible teaches us all things
there are lies in the bible that is made righteous i still don't really get it
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
when you lie you decieve right?
for now i will just do what i can
and the bible teaches us all things
Jesus didn't inherit the limitations that death imposes on everyone else. Jesus had supernatural powers at His disposal.
Besides it was a difficult task, if possible even, to look Jesus in the eye and lie. You can't lie to someone able to know your thoughts.
Jesus knew a person's thoughts. That being so, when Jesus asked to know their thoughts it was to teach them not because He didn't know. Was Jesus using deception as a means to teach?
CadyandZoe
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I don't understand. Can you help me? What do you mean to say as it concerns the Romans passage?
BruiserMiller
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If Jesus didn't inherit the limitations that Death imposes on everyone; then how did he die? I'm not trying to change the subject, but I think it's important to remember that according to the Chalcedonian Creed, Jesus is %100 Human. As a Human Being, it was never okay for Jesus to Lie, and as Human Beings, it is never okay for us to Lie...
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That you wouldn't have to lie to the Nazi, as a jew in their mind isn't a jew in yours.
All body’s will die.
Better to save ones soul forever, than worry about their body.
Well, there is meant to be no lying, as is the case with all sin, and will someday once again be as such. When Jesus comes back, all will be set to right, never to be set wrong again.
I say they do, because it is not ours to sit in judgment of anyone.
Your obligation is not to do what God commanded us not to do.
Grace and peace to you.
CadyandZoe
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Then they deserve to know what they are and the iconic legacy of evil they will leave behind.
True. Lying would not be able to happen because nothing is hidden before sin. Unfallen human life with nothing to hide possessed the ' internal gaze'. Jesus could see what a person was made of because of the internal gaze'. Part and parcel to life before sin.
Not being willing to give my life for my neighbor is a sin.
Dropship
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Some people think so.
The Brit TV "historian" Dan Snow said he told his two young daughters that there were British female combat pilots in WW2, which of course is a lie.
He rightly drew lots of flak from people who said "How can we ever believe anything he says ever again?"
His lame excuse for lying to his daughters was to make them believe women can be anything they want to be.
I think our first instinct is that it's never ok to lie but if you go through the thread you will find examples where maybe it's not so bad to lie.
The famous example was this.
Say your protecting a family of Jews in WW2 and the Nazis knock on your door asking if you've seen any Jews. Do you lie? If not they will kill the Jews and you for protecting them
Does evil deserve to know the truth?
It's another tricky topic, there is more to it than meets the eye
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